Hello and welcome to the Studio Demands It. An exercise in creative thinking where we
T.C.:will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. We talk movies all the time.
Jim:All the time.
T.C.:In particular, we complain about the choices made in the films we've seen that exist because some soulless corporate hacks cobbled together a collection of boardroom mandated buzzwords and test audience approved action sequences and so called characters. And with more hubris than those shills, we know we could do better even with the demands and restrictions that clearly must have been put on those poor bastards stuck in the position of writing these scripts. We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am T. C.
T.C.:De Witt, and joining me as always is my cohost, Jim. Oh, shit. I miss the movie theaters, Burzelic. Jim, do you miss the movie theaters?
Jim:I I I do. It's my middle name.
T.C.:I I I it it's it's like your family knew that one day we'd be in a situation where there's no movie theaters, and we would
Jim:I mean, they all they were already banned from all of them.
T.C.:They And
Jim:they they missed going. So that's that's why I that's how I got that.
T.C.:It's a family name. It's a family. Okay. So movie your family hasn't been allowed to movie theaters for quite some time. Okay.
T.C.:Yeah. I miss the experience of sitting in a cinema. I miss the the the leather recliners. I miss the smell of popcorn. Not the taste of popcorn.
T.C.:I'm not a popcorn guy anymore. I had more popcorn than anyone should be allowed to.
Jim:You're you're dead to that to that flavor.
T.C.:Popcorn means nothing to me.
Jim:I I miss it, though. You know what I found myself really missing? And the thing is I overindulged the, like, last year or the year before, actually, when it first came out, AMC theaters started carrying how how's this for a plug? AMC theaters started carrying this, thing they called the Bavarian, which is like a pizza sized giant pretzel. It it was amazing.
Jim:It was so good. And I found myself actually this morning being like, oh
T.C.:I miss
Jim:miss berry. I miss eating too much pretzel bread in the theater. I miss I miss the Bavarian.
T.C.:You're just taking your loaves of bread loaves of bread and, like, just mashing them and rolling them
Jim:out of pretzels and then just pouring while I eat it.
T.C.:Know, dipping it in in in icing. Salt. Salt and icing.
Jim:Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's called icing? I did not know that.
T.C.:I or
Jim:Oh, or or you're saying I'm doing I'm okay. Cool. We're creating a new situation. Never mind.
T.C.:I You don't know how to make these I've ruined the bit. Don't know how to make Bavarian pretzels. You're assuming that you pour salt and frosting on it and just enjoy it. I think that's what I'm hearing.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Basically, it's been so I don't know how to I don't know how to make.
T.C.:I
Jim:I don't make them. I just tell them to make them. I So I have to I have to make it up as I go.
T.C.:Give me a Bavarian. Sir, we don't know what the
Jim:give me a Bavarian.
T.C.:We I
Jim:It's not actually
T.C.:an item on their menu. What are you talking about?
Jim:Cobbled together some extra stuff to to placate an insane This guy keeps yelling.
T.C.:Quick. Grab some Customer? Grab some hot dog buns and tie them together. What do you mean? Just do it.
T.C.:There there's a moment in Ocean's 11, the George Clooney Brad Pitt, Ocean's 11, when Brad Pitt shows up to rescue Don Cheadle from get getting arrested. And Brad Pitt is, like, pretending he's FBI or something, and he's talking to the to the the officer. And he's like, I can't remember the exact name, but he's like, go get Murphy for me. And then the cop's like, who? And Brad Pitt's like, just do it.
T.C.:And then the cop's like, okay. And he goes away. My buddy did that to me once where he, like, came up to me real seriously and he's like, hey. Go find Murphy. Okay?
T.C.:And then he walked away. And I'm like, who? And he just turned around and was like, just do it. I was like, okay. And I just walked away like, Murphy.
T.C.:Who's Murphy? I gotta get Murphy for Andy. And, maybe that's what would happen if you screamed, give me a Bavarian to a bunch of concession workers at a movie theater. Long story long Yeah. Give me a Bavarian.
Jim:Give me a give me a Bavarian.
T.C.:I don't I I miss going to the movies. I I started to get pretty selective of what I went to see for a
Jim:period. Well, hold on. I got oh oh, sorry. Okay. Sorry.
Jim:Interrupted your story. My
T.C.:bad. It
Jim:I'm I'm doing real good with the bits today.
T.C.:I started being selective about what movies I went to see because I had to start paying for them. So I I would go to see the movies that you should see on the big screen. Right? Like, the blockbusters, the ones that are, like, made to see huge, whether it's a Marvel movie or '9 1917. And but for for the longest time, I was always even when I could just see whatever I wanted.
T.C.:And even now, I can be a little less picky because we have the MoviePass or the, what's the AMC? The It's the. Yeah. Well, which, you know, AMC might exist.
Jim:A list.
T.C.:The a list.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that. That sucks.
Jim:Yeah. I I mean, do we do we wanna do gossip or or or news? Let's Let's I I actually would love to just jaw about that for a while. But We we can't that's gonna be old news by the time
T.C.:By the time this hits the air. So maybe that's a Yeah. We'll leave that for bonus content. Okay. But I always question why a movie is put on the big screen.
T.C.:When you see something like Stuber, which is Dave Bautista and Kamal Najiani, that's a very funny movie, but why is why what's the point of it being on the big screen? Why are what's the point of seeing a rom com on the big screen? Right? It can is is it any more enjoyable large than it would be on your TV?
Jim:Oh, I have I have thoughts on that.
T.C.:Well, I don't wanna hear that.
Jim:So won't share. No. So I actually think most rom coms are now like like the ones that I'm I'm thinking of right now, they're starting to be more of a spectacle. Mhmm. Right?
Jim:They're so there there is something to seeing them in the theater.
T.C.:So, like, this the spy who dumped me is an action movie rom com, an action rom
Jim:com. Yeah. Or what's the the the newest one with Kamal Najiani? Oh, they They go on a first date.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Like, I I know what you're talking about. It's the date it's him, and they accidentally run a guy over or, well, like, they their car gets They yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Looks very funny. So I It does. And it does look more like a spectacle than, like, an a Nicholas Sparks movie.
Jim:Now that said Yeah. Now that said, the other reason, even if it isn't even if there isn't any action or spectacle, like the equivalent of oh, crap. None of the names are coming to me. Failure to launch, as an example.
T.C.:Like a Matthew McConaughey early two thousands rom romantic movie.
Jim:You have the you you need the category of movies that is date night movies.
T.C.:Oh, sure.
Jim:You can't just have you can't
T.C.:just have Yeah. You are quite right.
Jim:The big the big tent pole explosion
T.C.:You are correct.
Jim:Effects movies.
T.C.:I am part of the problem. You are correct. That is a that is a super
Jim:fair point. There are several right? There's yeah. There's several demographics. There's your date nights.
Jim:There is your your, spectacles, your your your general audience spectacles like the Marvel movies and stuff. Then you need family movies slash kids movies, which, the the big movies don't like, can take the kids. You can take the whole family to see a Marvel movie. Right. But it's not really a kids movie.
Jim:No. And that's why you get things like the Trolls movies or whatever other ones there are.
T.C.:If if theaters continue to exist as opposed to VOD.
Jim:That whole that whole conversation we weren't gonna have in in the episode.
T.C.:Well, I I miss going to the theaters. I miss the the atmosphere. I don't miss assholes talking next to me or getting on their phone or just being dickhead.
Jim:Or snoring?
T.C.:I think we
Jim:And unfortunately, I know I know for a lot of people, those experiences overshadow any other any other aspect.
T.C.:Right. Right.
Jim:You just that can
T.C.:You just
Jim:that's terrible.
T.C.:Think of the the idiots and their dumb kids and the all that garbage. But I do miss going to theaters. I miss I miss the fun of the theaters. I miss seeing Knives Out or going and seeing the new Marvel movie or seeing some big, dramatic piece like 1917 or whatnot. But but speaking of movie theater experiences, we have a studio demand today that asks us to to enter the world of blockbusters, which is, which is where we're gonna go to date, Jim.
T.C.:Are you ready for that?
Jim:We're gonna make Blockbuster the movie?
T.C.:We're gonna make Blockbuster the movie. So it's all about the rise and fall. It's a rise and fall story. Right? It's essentially Scarface, but with video rentals.
Jim:But with video
T.C.:That's that's the movie we have to do today, Jim. Wow. Be kind. Rewind. Wait.
T.C.:What's the it's the it's the battle between Planet Hollywood and no. Not Hollywood Video. Was that what it was?
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Hollywood Video. They're the first to die.
T.C.:Blockbuster. Casualty.
Jim:And and the the the beautiful thing is so so it would be the it would be this movie that you you would tell this story about these these empires, and they, and then, like, in the late late, like, second it might actually even be a five act story. So, like, in the fourth act, somewhere in there, that's when both Blockbuster and Planet Planet or, Hollywood video basically crumble Mhmm. Because the internet kind of takes over Digital streaming becomes a thing and stuff like that. And so it's it's this this almost like bittersweet, sad thing. And then at the end, at the end of all of that, after Blockbuster and Hollywood video are gone and streaming has taken over everything, It would pan over and we would see still in business family video.
T.C.:Family video? Somehow, inexplicably. Oh my goodness.
Jim:It is. But like no. Like like, it's seriously still Or in or No. Or it very recently went out.
T.C.:No. They are still making new locations, at least in the past year. Somehow family you know what? Take take this the idea of the of the VHS rental wars and then envision it like a post apocalyptic, like, Mad Max, Turbo Kid, just like a dis Mediocre. And and sort of like, what is it?
T.C.:Agent Brown?
Jim:Oh oh, the the weapon. Weapon Brown. Weapon Brown.
T.C.:Where it's like That
Jim:that comic.
T.C.:Or like the the fast food movie we came up with in season one, where it's like Mhmm. The representation of blockbuster is just this this dude. Blue and yellow is the color scheme. Netflix is, like, red, black, and whites, and and this, like, vicious, bloody allegory I
Jim:would, for as far as an allegory movie, I wouldn't do I wouldn't do post apocalypse. I would do dystopia. It would be like a cyberpunk world.
T.C.:Yes. Oh my god. And and then and then you get other, like like
Jim:Oh god. You could you could totally play into all of the, like, the the there are good cyberpunk movies. There are. Yeah. And there are there are bad ones.
Jim:And most of the bad ones usually revolve around some sort of sport that is always Rollerball. Yeah. Rollerball. And and I'd like I really I do like oh, crap. What was the latest?
Jim:Oh my god. Names.
T.C.:Maze. The one
Jim:where the no. She she's a CG girl and everyone's
T.C.:Oh, Alita. Alita battle angel.
Jim:Thank you. Alita battle angel. I love battle angel so much I remembered the name. I do. But man, because it plays into that trope of of that sport, like like it's it's a cliche of that genre now, and I would wanna play into that.
Jim:And Blockbuster would be a star of that arena. Right? Because he's get because they're getting the views and so he gets cut of every seat and, oh, no. Hollywood video showed up and, you it's this big battle. And then the whole sport starts being undermined by whatever streaming would be.
T.C.:Yeah. The Netflix equivalents, the Amazon equivalents. We can even have, like, minor characters that are that aren't part of the streaming necessarily, but the rental biz. So you can have, Oh, sure. Like Funkoland and, do you remember Funkoland?
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I do. And what was the
Jim:Basically, game game rent game rentals. Yeah. So, like I mean, that's that's how GameStop started.
T.C.:Oh, man. Was EB Games the the equivalent that GameStop bought out? What? Whatever. Just a dis just a dystopian No.
Jim:EB Games was just a it was a video game store.
T.C.:A dystopian future blood feud against the rental services.
Jim:Yeah. And and at and at the end, after the sport is decimated and there's nothing left, all that's left are just like a small niche underground, community. You still have family video. Skating skating in circles.
T.C.:Somehow still surviving. Wee. Well, let's get to our demands here. Let's get to the demand for the episode. Our success, how whatever it might be, as either podcasters or screenwriters, has given us a growing collection of demands from you, the listeners, from all over the world.
T.C.:These studios are you guys. You submit your request over at studiodemands.com. You can send us demand any demand you like, movie, TV series, whatever. We haven't been getting a lot of TV series. I saw one come in today just before recording.
T.C.:I'm like, oh, that might be fun. Because it's asking it's it's already asking a lot that we might be doing movies that people haven't seen. Now to say, like, we're gonna do a show that you'd have to watch nine seasons of. But, just just just, please send us send us anything. We're we're happy to do it.
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T.C.:We we have more we have we have enough to do ten seasons of this show if you people keep listening and sending us demands. So what
Jim:And we'll do it.
T.C.:We will do it, by gosh.
Jim:We will do it.
T.C.:We, what else are we gonna do? We're gonna do it anyway. What have we got for us today, Jim? Here we go. This is from Mark at Fry Guy Pictures.
T.C.:In 2009, the director of The Mummy returned to the summer blockbuster. Armed with the latest in military and spy technology, a team of elite soldiers known as GI Joe traveled around the globe to whatever their serve wherever their services were needed. In their latest assignment, General Hawk, played by Dennis Quaid, and Duke, played by Channing Tatum, and the rest of the GI Joe team take on Destaro. De Dest Destro? Destro, played by Christopher Eccleson.
T.C.:For shame. I wasn't allowed to play with GI Joe's. We'll get to that point of conversation. A corrupt arms dealer and fight the growing threat of the mysterious COBRA organization. The studio demands you travel back to 2009 and make us a better movie.
T.C.:Keep Channing and Joseph Gordon Levitt and Eccleson have at it. He didn't say we had to keep them in those roles? He he didn't say we had to keep them in those roles, which I think is key Okay. Because as I'm to understand, Duke should be the equivalent of Nick Fury, not Magic Mike. Right?
T.C.:Duke Duke is the leader of the team,
Jim:isn't It depends.
T.C.:It, yeah. Okay. Let Yeah. Let me let me let's back up. Let's back up.
T.C.:Jim.
Jim:I have lots of thoughts.
T.C.:You did you play with GI Joes? Did you know GI Joes?
Jim:Like Yes. GI Joe GI Joe was my thing. Like, I remember growing up GI I had G. I. Joe was just ubiquitous to my life.
Jim:I love G. I. Joe so much that I didn't understand why everyone was freaking out about Star Wars toys.
T.C.:Oh.
Jim:You have G. I. Joe right here. Like, the their arms don't they they just move the one way. They don't have elbows or nothing.
T.C.:Fully articulated You battle
Jim:have Hammerhead. He he was a cool guy. But and and a couple other aliens, but that that doesn't matter. G. Joes came with so many accessories.
T.C.:That's right. It was like they were a toy line.
Jim:Yeah. I so actually, it was also the first comic book I ever collected.
T.C.:Oh, okay.
Jim:I was in the fourth grade and I was walking home and I stopped in White Hen Pantry. Mhmm. And I I looked at the at the the the spinning comics rack.
T.C.:Oh, classic.
Jim:And saw GI Joe and it was it was a specific cover. The top secret sign is being torn in half, and you could see someone's mutilated face sort of behind it. And in that issue, they reveal snake eye's face Oh. And why he wears a mask and and stuff like that.
T.C.:Well, you are certainly the expert here then because I wasn't allowed to play with GI Joe's. I wasn't allowed to play with toy guns, Ninja Turtles, He Man, Transformers. Batman was too dark for my mom. I watched Batman. She doesn't need to know.
T.C.:I had I had Legos and Animaniacs.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:So I my my knowledge of GI Joe, I have quite a bit of it just by by sponging up information. I am aware Sure. That the original concept of the GI Joe toys posited by Hasbro was for Nick Fury Nick Fury and the Howling Commandos as a toy line, and Marvel said no. So they just reskinned them and came up with the GI Joes. Now that's not that's not to say GI Joe didn't come before Marvel because GI Joe as a as an action doll, like a Barbie sized doll, had been around since freaking World War two.
T.C.:But the little action figures of GI Joe
Jim:The the three and a half
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:Action size action figures with the kung fu grip?
T.C.:Yes. Yeah. Well, technically, the old one had the kung fu grip and the
Jim:Oh, it did? Oh. Oh. See, that was actually something I never figured out. I didn't understand what kung fu grip was, and so I would look at my GI j J.
Jim:Joes, and I thought, oh, because the way their hand is formed, I'm doing it on K. You you can't
T.C.:see it. You can feel it, though. You can
Jim:feel like it. This weird it's like imagine turning your hand into like a lobster claw bottle opener type And you thought that was kung And that's that's the shape I thought that was kung fu grip because the hand could be used in that position to do a karate chop, or that was the position to hold guns and other accessories.
T.C.:Well You gotta say it like that. You gotta say guns. Yeah. So GI Joe's been around for for decades upon decades, But the little three and a half inch action figures, Hasbro originally pitched them as Howling Commandos, a a toy line for Nick Fury. And then
Jim:That that may be right. I I I heard it a little different.
T.C.:Okay. Okay.
Jim:It was they had G. I. Joe, and they were relaunching it, and they wanted to do a comic they wanna do comics for it.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Comic books, comic book tie in. They went to oh, gonna Larry Hama. And Larry Hama is a comic writer. Mhmm. And at the time, he was writing a Howling Commando book, he had this small cast of characters.
Jim:And he repurposed that because he wasn't getting anywhere making a Nick Theory Howling Commando's book, and so he he repurposed it.
T.C.:Okay. There's a little there's a little bit of a legend behind behind the toy line themselves, but it's one of the most successful toy lines in the history of toys. Is it is the nostalgia behind those little action figures. The these the the fact that it took them so long to make a live action GI Joe movies 2009 seems shocking to me. That the success A of little bit.
T.C.:Because the success of the came before that. Am I correct?
Jim:I believe so.
T.C.:Yeah. So the fact that it took them so long to make the first g live action GI Joe is is surprising.
Jim:I don't disagree.
T.C.:Yeah. 2007 was the first Michael Bay transformers.
Jim:It's I just my computer just went straight to Mark Wahlberg. He's making a face.
T.C.:So the fact that it took him so long to get to a live action GI Joe is surprising for as successful as the toy line is, as beloved as that terrible cartoon is. Yeah. I said it. It was just a commercial for the next action figure you could buy.
Jim:Well, I mean, once I grew up, I found out that every cartoon was just a And commercial for the next action actually, I the the Transformers movie, the the cartoon movie from the eighties, was way, way more, just cold about it. The the entire point the reason that they killed off so many Transformers in that movie was they literally wanted to make you stop playing with the toys that you already had and buy this new toy line. Wow. A better way to do that than to kill those characters Nice. And introduce these new ones.
T.C.:I I'm not as I said, I'm not I'm not I didn't grow up with a an affinity or a love for Transformers, but even I know how affected people were by that animated movie.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:And that it was Orson Welles' last role. But, so a live action GI Joe in 2009 seemed like a gimme. Yeah. Now Yeah. You've you've seen the this the 02/2009 version.
T.C.:Right?
Jim:As a big fan of GI Joe?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I have not.
T.C.:Okay. Wow. That's it is it is as hokey as you would think it would be.
Jim:So I saw the trailers, and being a fan of GI Joe, I wanted to recognize things. Mhmm. Right? Like, one of the whole reasons you use a license in the first place like that is you're trying to sell a product, you're trying to sell a bit of nostalgia, a bit of memory.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:I recognize nothing. The characters I didn't recognize the characters as any of the the G. I. Joes as previously animated or drawn. Mhmm.
Jim:And then when they finally got into their super costumes, it just looked like they just looked like Halo outfits. They all looked like Master Chief.
T.C.:Yeah. They didn't have there was no distinguishing characteristics. The only three that were just oh, let's see. Snake Eyes, Shat Storm Shadow? Storm Shadow.
T.C.:Storm Shadow. He's the all white one. Mhmm. And Baroness has the red hair. Right?
Jim:No. That is Scarlet?
T.C.:Yes. Okay. My knowledge, again, not as not as strong as others. But, yeah, it it fell victim to a lot of, blandness in terms of the the GI Joes are unique much like the transformers are unique by scraping away their uniqueness and not giving them distinguishing looks and and costumes and styles. Just makes them leather clad action fighter things.
Jim:And it worked for the first X Men because they still had powers. Yeah. And and actually, they they all had very, very like like, they were all very distinct despite all wearing black leather, but also that was almost ten years earlier. Mhmm. Learn a lesson.
T.C.:Yes. And having Stephen Somers, is that who the director of
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:Who The Mummy and The Mummy Returns as discussed on the show and worth mentioning again, Jim. You you love The Mummy. That's the movie that made you wanna make movies. Yep. So having him in charge of GI Joe, even going so far as having a cameo by Brendan Fraser as the canonical descendant of Rick O'Connell.
T.C.:Like, they they they they decided They did that? They decided that that he was he was playing, like, the great great great grandson of Rick O'Connell in the GI Joe movie. And it's it's very cartoonish. Like, the for for leaning so much into the hokiness of what the what the premise of the GI Joe's is, take over the world, but not leaning into the distinguishable looks of the characters was a mistake, I think. Like, they they didn't fully commit to what this could be.
T.C.:And the finale of the movie is likened I remember sitting in the theater watching this and thinking, this is the climax to freaking Phantom Menace here. This is not it's split into three. There's essentially a a punch fest between two guys that is might is very similar to Darth Maul and Obi Wan. And then there's the the space battle is an undersea subspaceship battle battle, and, it just felt derivative and uninspired, which is a shame. You haven't seen it.
T.C.:So so basically, what we're what we're asking you as and what we're and I'll I'll try to play the studio the best I can here is give me a live action GI Joe. How would you do it? And how would you make it successful and good? Like, what's your what's
Jim:your So I wanna do that. I wanna do that. Like, I've I've also heard the the argument, oh, you the it's the same argument Michael Bay gave for why he couldn't film the transformers like like they were, the the these big chunky robots because it would just look stupid. Yeah. I've heard that excuse for G.
Jim:I. Joe. You can't put them in the costumes that they had because they would just look cartoonish and dumb.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And and my glib answer to that is we have a G. I. Joe movie. Mhmm. It's Captain America Winter Soldier.
T.C.:Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Alright. I you have Falcon, you have Cap, you have Bucky, and you have
Jim:I mean, there the G. Joe was supposed to be Nick Fury and The Howling the Howling Commanders the agent no. It's the Agents of S.
T.C.:Agents of S. H.
Jim:D. Became G. I. Joe in in that world, and Hydra became Cobra. Mhmm.
Jim:So Hydra, Cobra,
T.C.:weird. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. You could totally that that is so if you want a proof of concept as far as how it would work visually, would work like that. And yes, Nick Fury is wearing black leather, but everyone else has variations to their costumes and definitive costumes. Right? Like, you know what Winter Soldier looks like.
Jim:You know what Captain America looks
T.C.:like. Mhmm.
Jim:I won't go down with the cast.
T.C.:Black Widow, Falcon, Robert Redford.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:So yeah. And I think the Marvel movies in general have made made people very accepting of individualized costumes. And Mhmm. To have a goofy look of something is, like
Jim:Well, you can also take a goofy look and good costume designers are are going to tone them down or play up certain aspects Mhmm. Or or sort of redefine them in a way that will be recognizable but new and not garish.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So, yeah. So step one, get a good costume design.
T.C.:Well, it it says a lot to to put us on track here. It says a lot that this movie came out in 2009. It's a live action version of one of the biggest movies of all time or biggest franchises of the eighties. Right? Mhmm.
T.C.:It had a sequel starring The Rock and Bruce Willis, and still people aren't thinking of the GI Joe movie. When I say, you know, name some fun action blockbuster movies, nope. And those they they they couldn't hang with what Marvel created. They couldn't hang with what better better movies, better blockbusters were giving us. They're just they're sorta like the X Men movies, and some of them are just fine.
T.C.:But but no one is, like, sitting down to be like, hey, we should which is a shame.
Jim:Let's watch. Right? Well, it's it's been it's been eleven years, and I haven't, like, been, like, I'm bored. I'm gonna watch GI Joe.
T.C.:So how do
Jim:you make Instead, I'd I'd watch a million other things.
T.C.:How do you make a GI Joe? How do you what what do you do here? Who who's your cast? What's the premise? Like, is it does Cobra exist?
T.C.:Or in in the movie we got, it's the origin of Cobra. The end of the the movie ends, spoiler, sorry, if this is the one That's year old fine. It ends with Joseph Gordon Levitt getting the mask of Cobra and becoming
Jim:Oh, Joseph Gordon Levitt's a bad guy?
T.C.:Well, he he and Channing Tatum were best buddies as kids, and they came up together. And then and then I've seen this movie once, and I saw it in 2009. So I apologize if I'm I'm misremembering.
Jim:You know what this you know what this and and the thing is, there's there's actually a lot of G. A. Joe comics that I never got to read.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:After after the initial Marvel series, it went to IDW, I think, or
T.C.:That's right. Yep.
Jim:No. Or Devil's Doo.
T.C.:Went it went to IDW first.
Jim:Okay. And I I wanted to keep up with their books. I at the time, I had no money, and I just couldn't. And there's been a few other things like I think Warren Ellis wrote a short, G. I.
Jim:Joe cartoon series. I watched like the first episode of it and in the first ten minutes he kills Bazooka. And Bazooka was never my favorite. He's he's actually to me, he was always the the everyone else's favorite, and I didn't understand why. He's the he's the guy who wears a football jersey Yeah.
Jim:And and carries a bazooka.
T.C.:Because you can dress up like bazooka.
Jim:Fair. But I thought that that was just a wrong move. You know, don't don't do that. Don't kill him. Actually, that's sort of been my, my my my relationship with G.
Jim:I. Joe is every time they kill a named character, I get sad. Yeah. And I'm like, no, not him. Like, Crazy Legs.
Jim:Crazy Legs, his whole thing was he's a paratrooper. And in the comics, they had this whole event where they killed off a bunch of GI Joes, and they they killed Crazy Legs, I had him. Before I read that issue, Crazy Leg, I didn't care. I didn't give a lick about this. Like, who cares?
Jim:He's not very cool looking. All he does is fall out of a plane. He's He's the He's he's he's Aquaman. His dossier, the the file card you could cut out of the the the blister pack and keep, I kept them all, said that he, he would have been a grand pianist if not for his short fingers. That's a detail I remember.
Jim:So instead he went into the military and became, I guess, an elite paratrooper, to the point that he was recruited into G. I. Joe. Anyway, he gets killed by Saul Viper with a bunch of other Joes, and I had his action figure. When he died, I was like, no.
Jim:Not crazy legs.
T.C.:It meant that much to you suddenly. Hey. You didn't you didn't like this until I took it away from you, kid.
Jim:Yes. Exactly. And that that's that's my feeling on most of of those things. So him so Warren Ellis killing Bazooka shouldn't have been a big deal, but suddenly I was a big fan
T.C.:of him. I feel like the way to do this is to go all in. Ice the wackier, the more ridiculous, the better. It would be a hard PG 13 verging on r. I wouldn't make it an r rated movie just for the fact that this is a toy line, but I say get go nuts.
T.C.:Have them in their costumes. Film it as as as earnestly and and and lovingly as possible. But go nuts. Get them in there and get a sports jersey on Peartrude and, in a on Crazy Legs and have him say, you know, I would have been a concert pianist if it weren't for my stubby fingers.
Jim:As he falls out of
T.C.:it. Look, he's soaring through the air next to Duke and like, all right, here we go. We're gonna pull the thing. Yeah, thank you know, I was just thinking up in the plane before I jumped out. Yeah, what were you thinking?
T.C.:I would have made a great pianist if it weren't for my stubby finger fingers. Pull the shoe. Sure, why not?
Jim:I'll I'll I'll I'll allow that Duke is
T.C.:the leader. Right? He's the leader of the team?
Jim:Duke Duke is the the the quote unquote main character.
T.C.:So I say you you cast someone
Jim:Well, for actually, for a long time, he was. Right? Because he But then he has, I believe I forget if he's his younger brother or what, but apparently his back I'm burying the lead here. His backstory, not Duke's Flint. Flint kind of became the main character.
Jim:Like, so in the cartoon movie in the eighties, Flint was the main character. And in the cartoon and in the cartoon TV show, Flint was the the guy that we followed a lot.
T.C.:So that's who Channing Tatum should play. Probably. If it's 2009 and we need to keep our star in the lead role, then making him the normie Flint. And I guess it makes sense to work.
Jim:He he can I guess he can beat Duke? I don't know. Duke just always seemed older and more mature to me. Channing Tatum just not that he's super young and super immature. Right?
Jim:He's not he's not Tom Holland.
T.C.:Right. But he's not an elder statesman, a vet. Right? He's not Yeah. The same like, Dennis Quigg should have been Duke based on just the cast that exists in 2008.
Jim:No. That and and, you know, that's too old. That is general flag
T.C.:Oh, okay. Territory. Okay. Well okay. What I think is that Duke should be the be grounded and a serious get someone who's been in a military movie.
T.C.:Get someone who's played a soldier. Get someone who can who can take Oh, sure. And and surround Honestly,
Jim:I was gonna I was gonna say Chris Evans because Duke is a very Captain America type.
T.C.:Oh, sure. But if we're if we're traveling back ten years and and casting this movie with 2,009, he was still Johnny Storm and still a punk ass.
Jim:Was he? Oh, wow.
T.C.:Right? 2009 would have been I 2009 was when 2008 is when Iron Man came out. So we were just about to get Captain America. So I I'm saying have your grounded character be have Duke be a serious actor who's taking the who's who knows the movie he's in, but is no. Siri, don't listen to me.
T.C.:I said serious actor. To to have him be the the leader of the team who know but who knows what kind of movie he's in and let the let the the the plot be driven by him taking the role seriously. Sure. I think where the when I say wackiness, like, the go all in on this aspect Mhmm. To compare it to something more recently, it would be the Jungle, the Jumanji movies.
T.C.:The Jumanji movies commit hard to the gimmick. We're in a video game. These are wild circumstances, video game logic, and our characters are these larger than life avatars with kids inside them, with adults inside them. And and they commit fully to it. And those two Jumanji movies are so much fun.
T.C.:And they they are not like the Marvel movies. They are not dull like the GI Joe GI Joe, gosh, GI Joe movies that we got. They commit. They go all in on on something like this. And and so to have the GI Joe movies, give me the give me the most ridiculous cast of characters you can have and make them play up their gimmicks, but take it seriously?
T.C.:You see that fine line I'm talking about?
Jim:Sort of. I sort of think so. So what occurs to me is, so depending on how far you want to go, and I mean, if you're going to give permission to do it, I might actually even try to build the foundation to do probably one of the most ridiculous parts of the G. I. Joe lore.
Jim:Which is? Cobre la.
T.C.:What is Cobra la?
Jim:The GI Joe movie from the from the nineteen eighties, the cartoon movie was about Cobra la. So the idea was I I wouldn't wanna follow all of these details, but the idea was Cobra Commander was actually like, he he was a part of this alien race What? From a from a far off world or maybe not even far off. Something like that.
T.C.:You know, just so I thought I
Jim:knew how ridiculous
T.C.:GI Joes could get you telling me Cobra Commander was an alien. Please continue. And
Jim:they're they're like all snake people. Cobras.
T.C.:Explains
Jim:Yeah. His because in the movie, a thing happens. He basically they have the equivalent of pits that Lazarus pits? Yes. They have the equivalent of kind of like that, except it's like they're snake juice or whatever.
Jim:Okay. Something I would need to rework. God, I haven't watched the G. I. Joe cartoon movie in so long.
Jim:A thing happens to Cobra Commander. Like, he's not working fast enough or they think he's betraying him, betraying them. So the Cobra law guys, there's the there's the supreme commander who is he's like a naga. He's the upper half of him is a is this bald man and the lower half is a snake. Okay.
T.C.:This is insane. I had no idea. Lean in. Lean in. I'm committing to this, Jim.
Jim:Lean in. Well, so so the thing is I wouldn't wanna do that all in the first movie. I would actually wanna build a trilogy so that that would that would happen in the third one.
T.C.:You're
Jim:So we're gonna build ridiculousness. Oh, god.
T.C.:Hey. You know what? Hasbro Films, Paramount, who owns this, you wanna approach them with a trilogy. The studio is interested here.
Jim:But we have to get the first movie before we can get to the third. True. Without going back and remembering and figuring out the original details offhand, I would say to build towards that master plot, Earth needs to be
T.C.:a little
Jim:bit terraformed. Irony, because terra means Earth.
T.C.:So like the not too distant future, if you will? Sure. Okay.
Jim:Yeah. But to do that, they need to have agents here on Earth, and they they need to take over. And so that's what COBRA is going to be for.
T.C.:Okay. We are verging into similar territory of Hydra and the Skrulls.
Jim:A lot of things are gonna happen.
T.C.:But the benefit of this is it's 2009 and people don't even know what those things are. So we're fine.
Jim:And and and so, so or or or maybe so for the first movie, we learn about Cobra Commander and I want to keep him mysterious. I want to keep him in the the either the hood or the mirror mask or or both. Like, I don't mind him switching between them because actually I might even want to I was even thinking of doing some of the other comic book plots. But either way, Cobra Commander is this mystery, person.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And and and it turns out he's uniting a lot of the, rebel and resistance and just just overall disgruntled forces of Earth.
T.C.:So just the dissonant
Jim:The terrorist organization. Yeah, he's bringing together Al Qaeda and
T.C.:The IRA?
Jim:Sure. I would Right. I didn't want to say them because I I know people who don't think they're necessarily bad. Yeah. Terrorist groups.
Jim:The disenfranchised.
T.C.:Yes. To put it politely.
Jim:Actually actually, that's a much better word because that allows me to pull in the other, groups that I wanted to, which is, certain very militant militias here in America.
T.C.:America.
Jim:Right. So so that's where Cobra is getting sort of all of their forces. And he's directing them in such a way that they're working in a unified manner.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And then that's a real problem. So I guess if you want to do an origin movie, that is actually where then General Flagg would put together like, oh, he comes from a meeting from the Pentagon where he does a I do a speech at the Pentagon to we we need a clandestine force to to fight these guys. If you
T.C.:won't let me have the resources to create a a a group of general of government issued Joes, I'll make it myself. And he storms
Jim:out there. Well, yes. I I he would actually get an impassioned speech where they would go, yes. Alright. We approve.
T.C.:And he gets You have thirty days to prove us right. You're gonna fail at this.
Jim:So then, I guess the way of oh, oh, is that do I want so my problem with an origin movie is you have to do so much legwork on screen. Mhmm. So like, okay, so we have to build we we can't get straight to Cobra fights GI Joe unless we do a montage, and a montage could make it seem real cheesy. Mhmm. But like, I think it'd be kind of fun to see General Flagg gets the go ahead, and he's he's commissioned he's he's been given a decommissioned old abandoned base and a like a handful of people.
Jim:And those handful of people have to then go out and recruit a a few more. Right? It's it's a military pyramid scheme. Got you three involved. Guys.
Jim:You three have to. Here.
T.C.:I'll structure it for you. I'll structure it for you so that we can get to the the fun sooner, which would be, opening, prologue would show some sort of hint of the of the forces that Cobra has done. Maybe even open with, like, an essentially, the opening to Team America, just blow up France. Then cut to the Pentagon where flag is is it the same flag? General flag.
T.C.:General flag. It's like, I need a group. I need a group.
Jim:Flagged.
T.C.:And they say, alright, you have you have thirty days. Go. He has his facilities. Maybe he already has Scarlet as the female lead. And he says, alright.
T.C.:Start recruiting. Opening credits, you can do, like, a three minute two to three minute opening credit sequence where it's just music video introduce everyone that won't probably won't even be in this movie. What I assume James Gunn's Suicide Squad's gonna be, which is just throwing 50 characters at us in rapid succession and then having them all gathered in the base and Duke being like, alright, we're gonna start narrowing some of you joes down. Like, skip over the recruitment process in an opening credit sequence and get as many people out. Even going so far as having, like, characters that are portrayed like, did you see Deadpool two?
T.C.:I did. Okay. So having those all those characters Oh, like
Jim:the the the tryout the tryout for
T.C.:And it's like for Oh, man. These characters are good. Terry Crews is gonna be awesome. He's in the movie all of three minutes. Right?
T.C.:That gets you a a room full of Joes. It's it's fast forward to okay. Now you can select your Joes into maybe Okay. I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
T.C.:That.
Jim:No. No. No. I like that, but I'm not going to narrow it down. I'm gonna use a whole bunch of them.
Jim:Use them all.
T.C.:Have too many.
Jim:Well, what's gonna happen is it's going to take a coordinated just like Cobra is having this coordinated effort with all of these dissident groups. GI Joe is going to have to have a coordinated effort. So rather than, ah, we've boiled it down to the, what, ADU? No, it's going to be, there's going to be like, I'll say five. I'm gonna put five on the table.
Jim:There's the they find out about they find out about they find out about COBRA's plan. Mhmm. And so they need to send squads to each of these five major locations that points for Cobra's takeover plan for whatever their next terrorist act is going to be. Sure. So each group will be led by a quote unquote main character, So it'll be like five guys each.
Jim:So that's 25 Joes Wow. We're gonna have on screen. We're only gonna get to know
T.C.:The five main.
Jim:Five to 10 of
T.C.:them. Gotcha. Probably more like five to eight, but yeah. Hey.
Jim:Yeah. But we will get to see the others. So they're they're
T.C.:in charge
Jim:of So they'll get their costumes Yeah. And and and stuff like yeah. So then and then we get to see, basically would Oceans 11 be a, well, that's almost too smooth, because things need to go wrong, because things going wrong is what's fun. But Oceans 12.
T.C.:There you go. We see
Jim:this coordinated effort. You would have flag basically at headquarters, right, with the monitors and all that coordinating the movements. And we would cut between the five different teams. And again, this is 2009, so maybe I'm using too much future knowledge here. But I would want to compare it to give you an idea of what I'm thinking.
Jim:Endgame not even Endgame.
T.C.:Infinity War.
Jim:Infinity War style thing. Like, we followed several different groups. And to me, it still felt very cohesive and it made sense. That made sense how they all worked to how that story worked together.
T.C.:Certainly. I'll
Jim:I would wanna do that.
T.C.:I'll I'll play the advocate of but then I'll reverse on it. The reason Infinity War is one of the finest movies of the Marvel of universe is because they did all the legwork in other movies so they can just shorthand the the plot like, get to the plot as fast as possible in Endgame. That being said, the reverse of that is lean into it. Just assume the fans who love these characters are gonna come see it knowing all the information they need. So you don't need to introduce all 25 characters.
T.C.:Just focus in on your five to eight to maybe 10 main characters and develop those individual threads around the main plot, which is stop Cobra. I think Yeah. I think that can work really.
Jim:Really, I'd like like, I know it's it's undercutting characters, but the yeah. I would want so the main characters are our main characters. I just want the their supporting dudes on their mission
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:On their part of the mission to also have names and costumes.
T.C.:Yes. A 100%.
Jim:We don't have to we don't have to be like, oh, and what's their deal? No. They're just carrying the machine gun. Don't worry about
T.C.:it. Why does that guy have a clown face on? What is that? Don't worry about It's his deal. Just That's his thing.
T.C.:Okay. That that's that's what I
Jim:would wanna do there. So so essentially, like, we'll get details about the individuals, but essentially each squad is a character.
T.C.:Yeah. I like that. That is that's fun. That's there there could be and it's there could be something there. That's a tough
Jim:Because we're also gonna learn about their COBRA counterparts. Mhmm.
T.C.:Oh,
Jim:yeah. Where they go.
T.C.:We are asking
Jim:for there are lots of there
T.C.:are lots of COBRA personalities. We Yo, jeez. I The challenge of pulling this off is I think it's critical to lean into the I keep saying it. Go nuts. Like, have too many people on screen.
T.C.:Too Many Cooks the feature film, where people will need to either accept Like, I'm sure there'll be, like, grandmas or folks who go see it are like, I can't remember any of the characters' names. Like, Oh, sure. Who are the main five? Well, there was Duke, and there was General Flag. But what about those 30 other people?
T.C.:Like, well, those are just the other people.
Jim:Can you name every character in every movie? No. There's always a crowd scene.
T.C.:Yeah. So, yeah, I I feel like stepping back in from a like, a a screenplay structure perspective, a point, like, it'd be, okay. Here's our our simple plot. Cobra's bad. Cobra's bad.
T.C.:They're gonna try to do this. The Joes are gonna try to stop them. They're gonna fail, and then they're gonna win. Simple three, maybe a short five act structure, just boom, boom, boom, checking off the the Yeah. The plot.
T.C.:Right? And then sticking in your main characters to develop the subplots, the character development of these five characters, maybe, like, three of the villains can have a little something. I I think though I know I understand that Cobra has personalities, that there's there are fans more of the of the Cobra characters versus the Joes character. The the Joes will get more development than our villains. So maybe three of them have have subbed up kind of things.
Jim:Think of think of the X Men villain. Particularly, think of like like the first X Men movies. Magneto
T.C.:Say Sabertooth Toad. Toad. And Mystique.
Jim:And Mystique. So
T.C.:then then putting putting in those characters and determining what the subplot we can what are the character interactions? What's the relationships to tell in our plot? And then giving them what would basically come down to bits, just one minute bit, two minute bit with this wacky character, with this wacky character, with this Joe, with this Cobra, and just keep that shit moving. The the sort of kinetic speed something like 21 Jump Street has, the the sort of team dynamic where it's move, move, move that, yes, I'm gonna reference this as as a as a point of reference, Gone in sixty seconds has. Not not so much Fast and the Furious, but Gone in sixty seconds, which is a forerunner for Fast and the Furious, to just keep there there should never be a wasted moment to have something fun happening on screen here.
T.C.:And if and if the actors are taking it as seriously as possible, they're This sounds fun. The The mere challenge of trying to write this many characters would be would be
Jim:It's really not as many characters as you might think.
T.C.:And I I yeah. I I I yeah. But before we proceed, I wanna hear I want you to try to, like, hone this into an actual structure. Tell me what the story of this movie is. Because right now, premise, good.
T.C.:I like the idea of this many characters. I like sort of where we're at here. Now you need to tell me what give me the beginning, middle, and end here. Tell me who your what the main thrust of this story is. So I'm gonna let you have a moment here while we take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor.
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T.C.:So alright. We're back. Here
Jim:we go. We're back.
T.C.:What were you saying?
Jim:You're excited. Okay. Yeah. No. Like, the more we talk about this, the the more I'm excited about it.
Jim:And I know, like like you said, it's just kind of like big sweeping generalizations. Oh, make the story good. And now you got a good but it's like what I'm imagining having this I keep forgetting, like this mission, this operation that is multi pronged, going to several different locations throughout the world to showcase a bunch of different locations. Like honestly, and like you said, you want to go crazy with it? Okay, cool.
Jim:One is an underwater base. Another one is like a tundra base, like out Yeah, in the
T.C.:like icy mountain base.
Jim:Yeah, yeah. So you get five different environs, you just get nutso with it. But the plot, you asked what the plot is. So what the plot is, Cobra's overt goal, right, is is classic super villainy.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:They're trying to take over the world.
T.C.:Trying to take over the world.
Jim:That's the message. Or if not take over the world, stop other people from controlling it. They're basically anti control in that regard. So it would basically be anti government. So their overt message is to topple governments, or as they say regimes.
Jim:They paint themselves as freedom fighters.
T.C.:Mhmm. Well, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Jim:Get out of here, Anakin.
T.C.:Freedom fighters. Anakin. Get out of From my point of view, Cobra's evil.
Jim:So that would be their overt goal. What we would find out either early on that they had done while the terrorist acts were making the big headlines and all they blew this up and they they caused this and they said they they because of these reasons and this message, they had also over here on the side, stolen something. So it's it's basically, I realized, it's basically diehard. I'm diehard ing here.
T.C.:You're gonna steal, steal from the best.
Jim:Yeah. But they're not stealing money. Well, actually, one or two of them might have been. But they're also stealing emergent
T.C.:technologies. Insistent technology?
Jim:Well, no, it's only emergent. Once Cobra gets it, it is quite insistent. Okay. Right. So like like like all of all of your fun fringe stuff, they're stealing Oh, good.
T.C.:Okay. Good. That was
Jim:something. Nano nanotech.
T.C.:Man, I
Jim:Drone like, especially for 2009, drones drones would could actually just be a part of the nanotech. Cloning stuff. Just just all all the all the really fun tech you can think of.
T.C.:So just just as an insert here Oh,
Jim:mass fabrication machines?
T.C.:When they steal whatever they're stealing having a moment where they raid a room of technology. Yeah. Much like the first Thor, the first Thor Uh-huh. When going into you the weapons see the you see the Infinity Gauntlet in the background in Thor, the first Thor. Yeah.
T.C.:So to have an all spark or something in the background. Because you tell you're telling me Cobra's an alien and Paramount owns GI Joe.
Jim:Well, and GI Joe and Transformers have crossed over for years.
T.C.:So having having just that little thing in the background for, like, the the sharp eyed geeks ago, what? That's a that's a that's an outsmart.
Jim:I mean I mean, yes. But I don't want it to cross over with Bayformers.
T.C.:No. No. We'll we'll figure that out. We'll figure that out. That's a different episode, Jim.
T.C.:I just wanted to put an Easter egg in. You can continue
Jim:to tell me about Yeah. We can put all kinds of Easter eggs There's
T.C.:the Ninja Turtles.
Jim:You find crossovers. There is a crossover that puts GI Joe and the X Men or no, I think Captain America together. Okay. So GI Joe technically takes place in the Marvel universe, at
T.C.:least when Marvel was writing. In in some very
Jim:well, anyway Plus, and right when you start doing the six degrees of comic books.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:You can get all of those. You can you can cross
T.C.:all in here. Predators in here. Star Trek's in there.
Jim:Savage Dragon is in there.
T.C.:We're but we're off we're off the Yeah. You're the rails here.
Jim:So We are off track. Little bit off the rails. Right? So that's their, they steal that. And their grand plot is again, to topple regimes.
Jim:But they also, well, I was going to I was actually going to have them steal more stuff, but actually maybe maybe they steal the stuff early so that way they have it. And then their ultimate goal in this film is some kind of global takeover. Whether they're going to take over satellite communication, like all all forms of communication, basically, they're going to to hijack them all. Or maybe they just pull a Lex Luther and create a new nation. Well, right, because the reason I threw in mass mass fabrication machines there at end, basically gigantic three d printers Right.
Jim:Is because Cobra has lots of unique technology.
T.C.:I I get it. A sovereign nation, they're they're gonna take over the moon. Gonna they're gonna steal everything
Jim:on Earth
T.C.:that they can.
Jim:Nazis are already there. Oh, they I know that's joke. That's a joke. That's that's a reference to Iron Sky.
T.C.:They they're gonna take over the moon. What makes you think I wanna take over the world? I want to take over the moon.
Jim:God. Could we sell that to not be cartoonish?
T.C.:Sorry. Let me try it
Jim:again. Outlandish? To just
T.C.:Let me try it again. Oh, yeah. What makes you think I wanna take over the world? I wanna take over the moon. See, it's all about delivery.
T.C.:Oh, okay. And then just a slow push in the eyes and then
Jim:There you go. Okay. Yeah. I'm okay with that. I can think of actually, GI Joe and Cobra do have a whole bunch of, space stuff.
T.C.:So And and he
Jim:there didn't invent Space Force.
T.C.:GI Joe already had. GI Joe already had Space Force. Keep your politics off my show. So we have all these Earth terrains of trying to stop and uncover what the overall plot of Takeover like, world takeover. They're stealing technology.
T.C.:Yeah. We have our our, Tibetan mountain snowy terrain. We have the desert. We have a jungle. We have, a city.
T.C.:But the final sequence takes place, not underwater like the actual 2009 GI Joe, but in space on the moon. So is this the season of us putting finales on the moon? Because I'd realized we did for Fast and Furious 10 also. We did, didn't we?
Jim:Well, I mean, that's just that's the trajectory they're going.
T.C.:It's just the way to go.
Jim:It could. The moon feels too far away. I mean, it's movies. We can make it right there.
T.C.:They're gonna build a satellite
Jim:around the earth. Well, right. Because I'm trying to think of why why they have all of these very disparate bases and what could they be trying to do in in coordination.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And it would be some sort of satellite link up to to take over a wide section of of the planet or something like that.
T.C.:Okay. We're we're yeah. Okay. The taking over communications and or using a satellite stream as a weapon is two Jake Pierce Brosnan plots for James Bond, but I'll allow it.
Jim:And and actually, I would almost rather have Cobra Commander get away at the end by going to the
T.C.:moon. Certainly. Escape plan. That's that's
Jim:how that's how he Doctor. Claus out of there.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I'll get you next time. Yeah. He always he doctor Claus and inspector Geisner always had that the button that he'd hit and then he'd launch himself out of the other cell. So it so it'd be something like that. And and and so yeah.
Jim:So they're they're they're stealing all of these technologies and they're using them to basically build and, and equip their own army, Which they then do with all of the dissidents they've been gathering.
T.C.:Now our our heroes need to stop them. Now we have our Yeah. Basically our action set piece after action set piece of cool, good guy soldiers with gimmicks fighting evil, bad guy, dissonance with gimmicks.
Jim:And and and write like whatever they're doing to to disrupt communication services stuff, need to G. I. Joe has to have a coordinated they need to hit all the bases at the same time. Otherwise, one base just reroutes to another.
T.C.:Okay. So that splits And our
Jim:so that that's why they have to do it all at once rather than one at a time.
T.C.:So do you see them going on five separate missions and then all coming together at the end? Or do you see them
Jim:they Now set that now that you said that, that's the cool thing to do.
T.C.:Well, that's I mean, this is we have to keep this movie under three hours. So like, we have
Jim:No. To Actually, no. I don't see them coming together coming together for the climax. The climax, we follow Duke and or Flint. Mhmm.
Jim:Cut oh, by the way, I've cast my Duke.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:I figured out who I want. Josh Holloway.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Like this is in And
Jim:in 2009, that's that yeah. That's perfect. At his height.
T.C.:That's great. So so Sawyer from Lost, if anyone's Yep. Not recognizing the name. Yeah. How how is he not have a big had a bigger career?
Jim:I don't I don't know. Like, I've I he's he's he was in the opening of a Mission. Mission Impossible movie.
T.C.:Yep.
Jim:And I just I wanted to just watch him in a spy movie. Yeah. He was He
T.C.:in in another life, he would have made a great Captain America. Like, he Yeah. Or, like, some sort of action hero. So this is perfect for him, having him be Mhmm. Be the lead in this.
T.C.:And, honestly, with how many characters you're filling this plot out with, if the only stars we have in here to put on the poster is Channing Tatum and Joseph Gordon Levitt, and then everyone else is just TV stars and, like, building the movie around this massive ensemble cast, that is that is a fun way. Marlon Marlon Wayans is also in the original cast of the 2,009.
Jim:That's fine. I like Marlon.
T.C.:Yeah. I I think Sienna Miller plays the Scarlets, and Ray Park played Snake Eyes.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:So I think that most all that cast still kinda works. Yeah. So I suppose
Jim:Oh, and so yeah. So they don't have to come together for the climax. Specifically, what it is is all of those missions all of the separate, jobs at the different bases are allowing or they're they're dismantling, Cobra's network, and security that allows sort of our main team of either Flint and and yeah. Flint and Duke. Right?
Jim:So Channing Tatum and Josh Holloway.
T.C.:Flint, Duke, Scarlet,
Jim:Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay.
T.C.:The Snake Eyes in there. The four of them in the finale, I think, would be fine. They don't all have to have the basically, think about, like, the finale to to Serenity to reference another movie near the 2009 era where it comes down to the group getting to a point, but Captain Males is the one who has the final fist fight. Sure. Right.
T.C.:So getting your getting Duke well, it would probably have to be Channing Tatum getting the final fight sequence. Unless you can convince the studio that Joss Holloway is worth putting in the, in the position of winning this movie.
Jim:I think he is.
T.C.:That's a hard sell. I I but here's the thing. Channing Tatum hadn't done Magic Mike yet because he did Magic Mike in between the first GI Joe and the second GI Joe. In the second GI Joe, they kill him in the opening sequence. Really?
T.C.:And that was upsetting to test audiences because he literally just blew up with Magic Mike. They did reshoots to add a couple extra scenes where he got to do just playing video games with The Rock.
Jim:Shaking my head. That's that's awful.
T.C.:In 2009, though he was the the the star of GI Joe 2009, he wasn't such a he wasn't being forced down our throat, Sam Worthington, Taylor Kitsch style. He was just the assumed leading man. So sticking Josh Holloway in there and and selling him on the heat of Lost and his natural charisma, I think you could convince the studio to to have him.
Jim:Alright. Because to to put together a squad, not to sell a movie, but to kinda hit the central core of of Cobra Command take Cobra Commander down. It's gonna be Duke, Scarlet, Snake Eyed. Right? Duke because he's just he's the point man.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Scarlet, because she's I actually don't remember what her, specialty is.
T.C.:She's black.
Jim:But I'm gonna say she's yeah. She's the infiltration expert.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Snake Eyes because you need a ninja.
T.C.:Mhmm. And then you get to see a final shamown between him
Jim:and Shadow. Would would want two two other people. Right? That's only three. I'm I'm building out the squad for the people who know the code names.
Jim:Gotcha. Dial tone is in there because he, because I like dial tone. And, so for most of the movie, he's probably just been in the background doing it. So dial tone's whole thing is communications.
T.C.:He's the communication I was able to make that assumption based on his name.
Jim:I don't know. But they're code they're code names, so they're supposed to be secret. Oh, right.
T.C.:He's the demolitions guy.
Jim:He he's the guy yeah. He's the guy who has to get in there to, oh, a demolitions guy. I was actually just gonna put a heavy and use the heavy gunner roadblock because roadblock's a favorite. Oh, sure. And rather than casting him in the second one with the rock Mhmm.
Jim:Just get him in the first movie because roadblock's rad.
T.C.:Yeah. And have and cast the
Jim:rock. Cast I I thought he was an okay casting. A roadblocks big like the rock, but I I think he looks he looks different.
T.C.:Michael J.
Jim:Why can't I picture what he looks like?
T.C.:He was Gamble in the Dark Knights. He he, the guy who gets his face cut open. He's the, I'm sick of this clown. He was spawned. Yeah.
Jim:Oh, he was perfect.
T.C.:He's a He'd be Yeah. Really
Jim:good. I I like him as as roadblock. Otherwise, Dave, what's his name? He he he died. He wasn't dead at the time.
T.C.:So Marlon Waynes could be
Jim:Green Green Green Mile.
T.C.:Oh, Michael Clark Duncan.
Jim:Yes. I I would have cast Michael Clark Duncan.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. So he'd
Jim:be bigger. As roadblock.
T.C.:Yeah. Marlon could Marlon Waynes be dial tone then? And that rounds out your your
Jim:Oh, you know what? Yeah. I was I was gonna make that Joseph Gordon Levitt. But, yeah, that can be Marlon Waynes.
T.C.:Let's put let's put Joe Gore in the is this Cobra Commander's the the main villain and Destro is his psychic? Or like this lieutenant
Jim:or psychic? Neither. It's it's a weird relationship. So Cobra Command there's Cobra Commander. Right?
Jim:He's at the top. He has all kinds of lieutenants and other, henchmen characters. Destro is a weapons dealer. He's he's Cobra Commander's hookup.
T.C.:Well, in in the movie, it's played by The Mummy, the actor who is the mummy in The Mummy.
Jim:Cobra Commander?
T.C.:No. Destro. Destro. Cobra
Jim:Commander No. Is Destro Destro's played by, Chris Eccleston.
T.C.:Oh, I'm then whom I think there's one other guy. There's one other main villain then that's played by
Jim:Is it Serpentor? Because we
T.C.:Yes, it
Jim:is. Yes, is. Seriously? Think Is it it Serpentor? I think so.
Jim:You know how I was talking about the ridiculousness?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Serpentor is part of the that of the ridiculousness. Serpentor had a connection to Kobra Laut. I don't really remember how. I think in the comics, it was more sold that Serpentor was actually a no, no, he wasn't. So I mentioned how they stole plumbing technology.
Jim:Serpentor, if I remember right, was a mashup of the DNA of all of the great and terrible conquerors. Oh my god. And he had the personality basically of all of them together.
T.C.:Well,
Jim:there you go. No. No, Supentor is not gonna be in the first movie.
T.C.:I'm trying to think, what's that actor's name? People are screaming. So as I'm looking this up, just a complete non sequitur, I saw a great meme. The closest thing that you can experience to being a ghost is listening to a podcast, and the and the podcaster's trying to remember a fact that you know that you're screaming at them. That is the closest you can get to being a ghost.
Jim:That's that's awesome. And and true.
T.C.:Awesome. So true.
Jim:So there's another thread that maybe this is too ridiculous for the
T.C.:first part. Arnold Vaslow. There we go.
Jim:Oh, the the the actor?
T.C.:Yeah. That that was the name I was trying to remember.
Jim:Cobra Commander had a son who I can't remember if it was if he was actually a clone. I don't think he was a clone. But he was a Cobra Commander's terrible
T.C.:father. I would think that he'd be really good at it.
Jim:So so he was sort of an estranged son. And I was possibly thinking if I could cram that subplot in there, I'd make Joseph Gordon Levitt, his his his estranged son. Let me see if we find that earlier.
T.C.:Well, I I was incorrect. Arnold Vaslow is not in the first GI Joe. He is in the second GI Joe. I apologize. I was wrong.
Jim:Well, good. Because that's where Serpentor And he
T.C.:was and he was Zartan. In a sequel. He was Zartan.
Jim:Oh, he was Zartan? Yeah. That's really good cast.
T.C.:There we go.
Jim:Oh, Zartan's great.
T.C.:I was way off.
Jim:His GI Joe would change when you put him in the color when you put him in the sun. So what's what's Billy, co Cobra Commander's son was named Billy
T.C.:Billy.
Jim:And he had an eye patch.
T.C.:Played by Seth Green.
Jim:And he was just like, I don't wanna be a ninja.
T.C.:Guy, dad.
Jim:Trained as a ninja. Yeah. He was trained by Storm Shadow.
T.C.:Well, I I I wanna do what other ideas do you have here? Like, there's a lot of movie here to play with. What let's let's try to rein this in and try to try to I feel like you could this is
Jim:I really feel like I have.
T.C.:I don't No. No.
Jim:That's see what needs to be reined in.
T.C.:Just sorry. Let's bring it on hold.
Jim:This is let's
T.C.:bring it
Jim:tight 90.
T.C.:This is a tight 90. So what's a yeah. Okay. Because this is your thing. Right?
T.C.:Yeah. Don't think you made that clear that GI Joe is your thing.
Jim:Like Yeah. Yeah. When I became old enough to start being disappointed by movie adaptations Mhmm. To protect myself, I quickly abandoned the notion that there would be a good GI Joe movie.
T.C.:Well, now you have a chance to do this. Perfect. You have to do it in
Jim:That's another thing I've always said is, I don't like anyone else ruining movies except for me.
T.C.:Except for you. Can a movie of of this type with with what we've posited here, can that fit in two hours? Can you make a two hour movie out of this? Not that I think we wouldn't have trouble getting to the time frame. I'm saying we'd have trouble exceeding, not exceeding the time frame.
Jim:Can you Can I pair it down to two hours?
T.C.:Can it be two hours? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What is our hit the beats for me.
T.C.:So
Jim:Hit Okay.
T.C.:Throw throw them out here for me. Give me The first
Jim:the first the I wonder I wonder if the cold open just seeing footage of the of the Cobra terrorist acts happening right into General Flagg giving his his speech to get the the green light.
T.C.:Yep. Yep. We're gonna recruit some Joe's
Jim:opening And we have a we have a base and his first Motley crew in the, I would say, the first ten minutes. We haven't we haven't like in-depth met them Correct. Or anything.
T.C.:Yep.
Jim:But from there
T.C.:Essentially, like if
Jim:We little have bit of a montage of them building out the GI Joe forces, getting our group of 25 that I that I want to put on screen. We have all that and we have a little bit of hints of what Cobra is now doing because our audience I don't think our I don't think our audience should be tied to the point of view of the Joes. We want to see what Cobra is doing as well.
T.C.:Sure.
Jim:So most mostly we see a a Joe getting outfitted or not when it's important, in the up to the twenty minute mark. Okay. And in that, we'll get hints of what Cobra's doing as well.
T.C.:Can we get the first mission to to truly solidify who our main five is gonna be? Like, a smaller Get Cobra mission in the first, like, twenty minutes, half hour. Like,
Jim:first Oh, sure. Because because we gotta gather intelligence and
T.C.:stuff. First massive set piece within the first twenty minutes, half hour, we've we've we've we've hand selected Oh,
Jim:I would yeah, it would definitely be within the first half hour. Would actually, okay, I can, I think we you can condense all the intro to having, the meager forces into into the first 15 feels too tight? Well, they But I I think twenty minutes
T.C.:Consider this. Wolverine gets walked around the X Mansion in the first X Men movie. They grounded that first X Men movie pretty pretty well. It was pretty real world esque. That sort of sequence with all those kids in costumes is basically what we're asking for with the with with our premise of a movie.
T.C.:Is that sort of Joaquin, Flint, or Duke, whoever whichever character you wanna hone in on, or both of them with Duke is already, like, in the mix and Flint is the new recruit, walking him through, this is this is Joe headquarters. These are all the people we recruited. Teams are thrown together. Similar like Baby Driver works never the same team twice according to the rules of the the bad guy, who I will not name in this episode since I did it three times last time. But that we we get some sort of action set piece to open the movie.
T.C.:We get the impassioned speech. We get the montage together. And then the first sort Yeah. The first small mission to send off the group to start hand selecting who are the five main characters that by the halfway point, can split off into the five groups.
Jim:Well, and actually they can have the first mission. So that that twenty minutes to build all of that stuff up and then we get our walk through Duke walks Flint through as the newest recruit. He walks in through HQ, where we get to see their training center and the armory and the motor pool. And so we get to see the awesome GI Joe toys and stuff like that. And by toys, don't mean like action figures and play sets.
Jim:I mean like the military equipment. We get to see their guns and their vehicles. And just the beginning of what they eventually have, right? Like for those in the know, they don't have like the mobile command center or nothing. Right, right.
T.C.:That's the next movie.
Jim:Yeah. And maybe I would want to do a bit of a parallel, Although that might be a little cheesy, going back and forth to Cobra and Cobra kind of getting getting up some sort of walk through Okay. Gonna of one of a couple other bases.
T.C.:I'm gonna jump on I'm gonna jump on that point. Having the first missions, like, maybe two missions. We're split. We're gonna see two two missions. You guys
Jim:gotta Before the big before the big umbrella one?
T.C.:Yeah. Like, the first big mission started after the halfway point. The big our first big action set piece. It's a it's a joint mission where, okay, you guys need to destroy this communications tower and this group needs to take down once that tower's down, basically, Return of the Jedi and or versus the the Death Star on a much smaller scale. And one group succeeds, the other group fails.
T.C.:So, like, the tower gets taken down for communications, but the actual attack on the base fails. So we actually can lose some Joes. And then Cobra is like, okay. Okay. So apparently, Rick Flag Flag is recruiting people.
Jim:That is a terrible Cobra Commander impression. Having You just sound like a nineteen thirties radio.
T.C.:As is my understanding, is Cobra Commander. Do I need more S's? That's the problem. Having that failure and success at the same time, and then Cobra Commander saying like, Okay, we know the Joes are There's some sort of threat coming after us. Let's let's build up our forces to solidify who the main heavies are going to be that the Joes will then face in the latter half of the movie.
T.C.:So not exactly a tour of the Cobra facilities, but a sort of smaller microcosmic, pick from our best, pick four or five as your team, whoever, COBRA commanders second is going to be, and have a little Knights of Ren situation here. But do better than Rise of Skywalker did.
Jim:See, was gonna say the first mission is just our core characters. So so they they get to do a mission together.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And that mission is sort of a failure. And in that mission, we get to meet Baroness.
T.C.:Okay. And that's she's a bad guy. But Yeah. The snake eyes love her and Scarlet?
Jim:No. She loves snake eyes love Scarlet. Okay. Baroness is is a got got the hots for Metalhead for for Destro.
T.C.:Okay. Well, some sort of mini mission, big action set piece mini mission that we can then say very clearly, these are our five main characters that we will we will now need to split. God, do you know who'd be perfect for this in terms of, like, the speed? Not necessarily the the the not exactly what we're asking for from this film, but in terms of never stopping long enough for you to consider if anything makes sense or not, JJ Abrams. And in 2009, he proved that with the Star Trek 2009, which is just full throttle through that whole movie that you don't take a moment
Jim:to So
T.C.:Yeah. That sort of breakneck speed.
Jim:I don't wanna put anyone but myself on this movie.
T.C.:Okay. I'll talk to I'll talk to No. But talk to Fry you Guy Studios.
Jim:You are correct. You are correct.
T.C.:Because that's It's what would going to
Jim:And it's just it's just too many lens flares.
T.C.:Especially in 2,009. Yep. So getting them a mini mission that they fail succeed at that solidifies the five, but not having enough time for them to suffer too much repercussions of the failure because it was enough to tip-off Cobra to do their okay. We gotta do our big thing now. So where Flag would wanna be like, I wanna reprimand you for your failures, but Cobra just pulled they're doing it.
T.C.:So you five, take take five each of our people and go. We don't have time to be for me to be too pissed off at you. Go. Mhmm. Split up and go.
T.C.:You go here, you go here, you go here. And then send them off on the on the mission. The the five separate locations.
Jim:What about what about this? So, that fir the the first mission is a is a technical failure, because they they don't accomplish their their primary objective, which is securing the location, securing the personnel at that location. Sure. Cobra gets away. However, do accomplish a secondary goal, which is they do get a whole bunch of intel.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:About what Cobra is up to. But it's suspect. And so the Pentagon who General Flagg has to answer to doesn't want to move on any of that information. It's ridiculous and it requires too much joint efforts with foreign governments and stuff like that. And you're a clandestine group.
Jim:And that's when the obstacle of the second act hits. Cobra in learning about GI Joe, learning about this elite American force outs them. They basically put out into the world that this is America is trying to do these things unilaterally and without anyone's knowledge. And so now Joe, G. A.
Jim:Joe has a PR problem,
T.C.:okay,
Jim:that flag has to deal with in the midst of doing all this. And so I don't know what that exactly will do. I guess I'm just really condensing the Shield story into one movie.
T.C.:I don't think that outing them publicly works, if I'm being honest. It feels like a plot point to many. That if coverage is just, okay, we are aware there's a group coming after us and they're good. They technically defeated us and it was a win and a loss at the same time, but now there's no time to wait. They're coming after us.
T.C.:We have to launch our plan now. And that puts a ticking clock on both sides. They need to Cobra needs to move before Joe stops him. Joe needs to stop Cobra because they've just launched their plan. And that sends us into the rest of the movie.
T.C.:Okay. It's again, think of the breakneck speed of the 2,009 Star Trek where it's just go, go, go, go. Nero's gonna destroy Go, go, go, go. Okay. Not that not that I don't want this movie to slow down from time to
Jim:I was just I I was thinking you wanted you wanted that first action scene to be within the first half hour. That's that's your third ten minutes. Right? That's that's twenty to thirty minutes. It this And now I have to fill another hour and a half.
Jim:And I'll watch an hour and a half
T.C.:Right. Right.
Jim:I action sequence.
T.C.:I miss But I'm moving. I I you're right. I did say in the first half hour, the I think the big first mission success failure should be near the halfway point of the movie. And that a lot of, like, tiny little training missions can occur to just get us to know our characters while watching the plot of Cobra in advance to the to, like, the midpoint of the movie where it was, like Yeah. Where it's it's it's similar to we recently did our Predator three conversation Mhmm.
T.C.:Or episode, and then we did our commentary available on Patreon, for Predator two. And the there's that point in the movie where just the plot is done, and now it's just chase this damn thing to the end. Right? Mhmm. So I I think the success slash failure moment is starts the clock for the rest of this movie.
T.C.:We've had enough we would have enough time to introduce and under and get to know our characters to the point of rooting for them and liking who we like. And I like the guy with the red hat. Well, I like the guy with the metal arm.
Jim:And, yeah, I think, kind of the way you build the craziness is as the Joes go through missions, and especially as they they I am having crazy deja vu right now. And as they as they infiltrate bases, they start seeing some of the the crazy toys that Cobra's coming up with. Yeah. Some of their they see the hiss tank and they they they see repurposed Rattler jets and and stuff like that. And they start uncovering other, like, blueprints for other crazy things.
Jim:What are these guys doing here? This sounds like science fiction. Yeah. Like, I'd I'd probably lampshade some of that.
T.C.:There's one smart ass character, which, dial tone played by Marlon Waynes would be the perfect character to to to have the lampshade jokes, like the meta humor jokes to just Sure. Yeah. Not not mug to the camera, which Marlon Waynes is want to do. Yeah. But to to to have those lines of, this is like sci fi.
T.C.:These things are like aliens. Game over, man. I just wanted to say it. Let's go. Yeah.
Jim:So so I could come up with more details or names if you want.
T.C.:Well, I think
Jim:Otherwise, I I think, that's that's that's a good GI Joe right there.
T.C.:That that sounds insane. Especially, I think going in and saying, look, we're going for crazy. We want people to complain about how how many characters are in this movie. We the poster of this thing should just be like mugshots lined up of, like, the 50 characters in this movie. Like, let's
Jim:I may maybe I'm wrong, but, like, I think I think that's what fans of G. I. Joe want see their character.
T.C.:Dump out
Jim:a bin of toys
T.C.:and play with them all.
Jim:Yeah. And and the thing is, like, so those main five, like, the ninjas are real popular in GI Joe. That was always one of my least favorite. I didn't dislike them. I kinda disliked how many dang ninjas there were.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Like, it became Ninja Turtles amount of ninjas.
T.C.:So there were four
Jim:of I just think there's well, and then the Foot Clan.
T.C.:Then I'm kidding.
Jim:I'm kidding. Five.
T.C.:Yeah. I derailed you.
Jim:I'm sorry. Yeah. No. It's okay. I just think there's there's a lot of cool world to explore with GI Joe and a lot of cool characters.
T.C.:And And I think that we would have Transformers to point to to prove what what the what fans will want as well as general audiences want. In that, yeah, we're gonna give the the Bayhem of a Transformers movie, but the the complaints from the the overtly critical fans would be, give me more colorful characters. And that's so the second movie added more literally colorful characters to the cast. So to be able to point at that stuff and say, you know, hey. We're not we're not making something up off the top of our heads here.
T.C.:The fans of this are gonna want their entire toy bin on the floor so they can play with all of them. If a LEGO guy ends up in here, that's fine too.
Jim:And, like, that's actually something I think movies do have, but I don't think they have enough of. And that's that's Easter eggs and and and little nods. I just I want more of them, and that's what I think this would do. So
T.C.:The the campaign the marketing campaign behind this could be short films about three minor characters. Like, they did that with something like Get Smart.
Jim:There was Which was a was a whole GI Joe secondary comic line called GI Joe Special Forces, which were all little one shots. Each issue was was a single mission for usually a single joke.
T.C.:And and the marketing campaign behind it should replicate the old PSAs at the end of the cartoons. Where it's just a little shit like, what do you wanna what movie should we go see? Don't know, but I wanna play with matches. Hey. Don't you play with matches.
T.C.:Well, what you should do is go see the new GI Joe movie. Like, thirty second spots
Jim:of It probably it probably should have nods to the cartoon. Yes.
T.C.:I think it doesn't have to have that in that could be, like, the post credit stinger to have, like, a PSA. Like, having The Rock come out and tell a kid not to talk to strangers, and then he just rock bottoms him. Like, perfect 2009. It's like okay. So I I I hate to, we're gonna cut the episode off, like, to wrap it up But I am curious if, Mark over at Fry Guy Studios, if we if we achieved something you feel would be a better GI Joe movie, The listeners themselves, I'm I'm wondering, did did are we making too many assumptions here of the of the hypotheticals of the what the restrictions we may have in 2009 or even now?
T.C.:I I think there'd be more freedom to do what we're asking, given given the success of Marvel movies and Guardians of the Galaxy and somehow Suicide Squad, and what Suicide Squad two will be. I I am wondering if if this is in fact better film. So, Jim, I I know you have you love GI Joe, and I and I the fact that you're smiling through this and you wanna see this movie and you wanna make it Yeah. Is is a good sign in in in my eyes. And I would see this too, especially coming from a place of not loving the GI Joes.
T.C.:I know what they are. I I just wasn't allowed to play with them, so I didn't grow up loving them. I had no nostalgia for them. But an idea of trying to have a movie like this, which is essentially the team building montage of Deadpool two, the feature film, that's exciting to me. That sounds fun.
Jim:I I did I did realize during the break, G. I. Joe, when it started, in the, like, the first handful of issues, they did all have sort of the the standard green fatigues. They did all look quite similar. So maybe that was the angle they were going with in the first movie.
T.C.:That was
Jim:just And they expected the sequels to start diversifying.
T.C.:Maybe. I don't know. But I think that this will do it for this episode.
Jim:They probably didn't think about it as hard as I had.
T.C.:As as they probably should have, those those corporate hacks. But I think that does it for this episode. I'd love to know if we did in fact meet the demand from Fry Guy Studios. So please let us know and hit us up if if if you agree. If not just Mark, any of the listeners, if you agree, if you disagree, if you think we missed something, if you want us to elaborate, let us know.
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T.C.:We'll be back again soon to challenge the world of cinema and improve what we're begin what we what's happening? I'm T.C.
Jim:I'm I'm Jim. You know, I didn't actually cast Joseph Gordon Levitt anywhere.
T.C.:I he can be
Jim:He's just and he's in there.
T.C.:And he's in there. He he could be
Jim:He can be a bad guy. I guess he could be Cobra Commander, and we can see his face.
T.C.:I mean, he we don't get the Cobra Commander mask until the very end of the of the first
Jim:It's because they're trying to do a weird, like, proto GI Joe origin thing, and that sounds not like GI Joe.
T.C.:And then he didn't even come back for the second movie. They just left the actor Good.
Jim:Why would he?
T.C.:Why would he that's it. We'll see you all later. That's the end of the show. Okay.
Jim:Bye.