Hello, and welcome to The Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. We talk movies all the time.
Jim:All the time. There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Get your catchphrase in there. In particular, we complain about the choices made in the films we've seen that exist because some soulless corporate hacks calling themselves screenwriters cobble together a collection of boardroom mandated buzzwords and test audience approved action sequences and characters and with more hubris than those shrills we know we could do better. Even with the demands and restrictions that clearly must have been put on those poor bastards writing the monstrosity we were giving.
Jim:Oh. Oh, I like the new intro.
T.C.:We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am T. C. De Witt, and joining me as always is my cohost, Jim. Don't forget to put a funny middle name here, Burzelic.
T.C.:Jim, how you doing?
Jim:Good.
T.C.:I forgot to put a
Jim:No. No. You didn't. That's that's the middle name.
T.C.:It's the middle name. Yeah. You like that new intro, new Yeah.
Jim:New intro there?
T.C.:Just a little more of little extra colorful words there. Yeah. Putting my writing skills to good work.
Jim:One one of us should be.
T.C.:Oh, that's what we do every episode. We put our writing skills. Yep. We put our thinking caps squarely on our noggins, and we launch into, creative diatribes of of of movie making.
Jim:What is a thinking cap?
T.C.:It's a it's a cap for thinking.
Jim:Oh, you know, like Thank you.
T.C.:I I think back I
Jim:was I I was sort of more going what where where do you think that comes from? Where do you think what is the what is the origin,
T.C.:yeah, of thinking cap? This is because off mic. We were discussing the origin of Bubba.
Jim:What was what was before that? Before Bubba? Yeah. Great.
T.C.:Jeez. Jeez. Yeah.
Jim:Oh, jeez Louise. Yeah. Jesus Louise. Just like a, yeah, a a shortening of of Jesus.
T.C.:I think Louis
Jim:Do you think it might also be, like, a Jesus in, like, multiple Jesus in good God?
T.C.:Good God, y'all. G g. I think Louis was Jesus' middle name. It's Jesus Louis Christ. Yeah.
T.C.:So Mary Christ, Joseph Christ.
Jim:Jesus Jesus Louise Christ? Jesus Louise Right. Jesus, is is hey. Isn't that just Joseph? Is it a variation of Joseph?
Jim:I wait.
T.C.:In this scenario, yes, it is.
Jim:No? So no. I I was going somewhere. I was gonna make a joke. I was gonna try turning turning Joseph Lewis.
Jim:Into into Lewis, and so that then Jesus would be Joe Joe Lou.
T.C.:Joe Lou Christ.
Jim:It's not working. It's it's done we need to revise that, Joe. Chuck Jo needs
T.C.:Put your thinking cap back on. Put your thinking cap back on.
Jim:Put that what is it there? There we go.
T.C.:Cowboy hat?
Jim:What is that?
T.C.:It's like a sideways cowboy hat.
Jim:Gallons of thought.
T.C.:What is the origin of of thinking cap?
Jim:What do you think that is? I I don't know.
T.C.:Has that been you've heard that since you were in elementary school. Right?
Jim:Yeah. Since before. Since before that.
T.C.:Hey, dummy. Hey, little baby. Put your thinking cap on.
Jim:Yeah. People people were aggressively telling me as a baby to think harder.
T.C.:What's wrong with you, baby?
Jim:Put some clothes on that'll make you think better.
T.C.:Yeah. Put put some put some pants on them diapers. Cover them diapers up and and put on a thinking cap. We need we need something covering your bottom and your top. Yeah.
T.C.:The bottom's for just decency in the top so you know how to talk now. Reverse it. Rever oh, okay. What I was gonna throw a middle name at you because I've I as far as
Jim:I'm concerned, you Louise. Louise.
T.C.:Jim Louise Burzelic. Close. I was gonna mention Letterkenny because I you and Finn. You, in particular, introduced me to this show. Mhmm.
T.C.:I never heard of it until you and now I hear about it all the time.
Jim:All the time. Like,
T.C.:people on Facebook just letter Kenny. Letter Kenny. I'm like, that's Jim's show. He created it.
Jim:Oh, I wish.
T.C.:You you have a great pitch for now so for the for those listening who don't know but now will see it everywhere, what is Letterkenny?
Jim:Letterkenny is a Canadian TV show
T.C.:That you created. About
Jim:some people who live in the town of Let Letterkenny. Letterkenny is in Canada. Okay. I I've forgotten slash haven't figured out what province it's in, so I'm not gonna guess.
T.C.:It's Canada.
Jim:What what else
T.C.:do need to know, America? Newark. It's up north.
Jim:But it and then it's it's about their their sort of daily adventures, and and the thing is it's not a big town. It's a very, very small town.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:So the cast are farmers and meth heads. And early on, they they they said and Christians. They kinda dropped calling out specifically Christians at at a certain point. I'm not not exactly sure why. It might have just been plot reasons like, well, we ran this well dry.
T.C.:You can only make fun of Christians so long.
Jim:Yeah. They've they've Louise. Jeez Louise. They've kept at least one character from the the the church plot line, but he's he's no longer, like, the the pastor. Mhmm.
Jim:So so I I think they kinda dropped that. And now it's they they've established this cast, and it's just it's about this this regular group of people. So the and they're misadventures.
T.C.:Canadian Simpsons, Canadian Parks and Rec, just that sort of random situational comedy all set in this town?
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Okay. I you have a you have an interesting pitch because I am aware how Canadian the show is. You think, at least the main guy or one of the stars
Jim:Who's not mine. Not Not yours. Not the Internet the Internet proposed it.
T.C.:The Internet provided it.
Jim:I was like, oh, no. If I if you're going where I think you're going. Yeah. I I was like, oh, that wouldn't work. And then I thought about it.
Jim:Like, no. Actually, that would work really well, but with stipulations.
T.C.:Never letting him talk?
Jim:Honestly, I think you even could.
T.C.:Okay. Well, let let let let's set some point
Jim:here. Yeah. Dancing around it.
T.C.:Yeah. Jared Kesquiso from Letterkenny, who is The yeah. Essentially, like, the the main character.
Jim:The guy who plays Wayne. Yep.
T.C.:Would make this. Yeah. Go ahead. He he people have fancast him as the greatest Canadian superhero in the history of superheroes, particularly Canadian superheroes.
Jim:Yeah. Captain Canuck.
T.C.:Oh, no. No. That's, that's the second one there. Right? I the one I'm talking about there.
T.C.:No. Puck would be the third. I am talking about
Jim:North the Star.
T.C.:You need to shut your dang mouth there over there, bro, before I come over here and slap it right out of your face. Your mouth right off your face.
Jim:Right off your face. Right off your face.
T.C.:Yeah. I went a little New Yorker. What's going on? Yeah.
Jim:Canada by way of New York.
T.C.:Here you go. Right past the the Niagara Falls.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Wolverine is Canadian. Yes. People fail to remember that. Probably because he's freaking Hugh Jackman and Australian doing gruff voice. But you it's hard to imagine the fact that, oh, yeah.
T.C.:I'm the Wolverine. Gonna get you. No. I love that. Sorry about that.
T.C.:Oh, great.
Jim:That'd be great. I'd love that. Yeah. So so the Internet did a fan casting of him as the next Wolverine.
T.C.:Please MCU. Make this happen. Letterkenny.
Jim:And I think he would make a good Wolverine, just not in the and and and I I I love the guy, so I I don't wanna diminish it at all, but I don't think he would make a a great Wolverine in sort of the primary character role that Wolverine had in the X Men movies so far.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:If it was more of an ensemble where Wolverine played a more of a backseat No. Backseat isn't the right term, but just not not forefront.
T.C.:Like a supporting character, not a main character. Yeah.
Jim:Like, the equivalent of Storm in the x men movies if if Wolverine was put into that type of position.
T.C.:The first two because Halle Berry got a little demandy when it came to three.
Jim:Well, there's there's things about three.
T.C.:There's a whole lot of things about three. We can go on an X Men, Jake, if you want. That's not what this episode's about. We can do it off mic.
Jim:But, specifically, he's short and stocky and Canadian.
T.C.:All the recall is he hairy?
Jim:Oh, I I don't I don't know how hairy he is.
T.C.:Okay. Well, I I won't check that box unless unless I've made it
Jim:over here. But, like, he has the the necessary scowl. He has he has all of it going.
T.C.:He looks the part. Like, he's blonde.
Jim:He has a he has a higher pitched voice.
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:And that that doesn't make him a, like, a tough badass wolverine
T.C.:Oh, gotta
Jim:get you there, talking.
T.C.:Gonna get you, Bub. Yeah. Okay, Bub.
Jim:Oh god. He could probably pull off Bub. Yeah. Oh, he could pull off Bub. No one can pull off Bub.
Jim:He could pull off Bub.
T.C.:Huge yakman was able to pull off Bub. There was always crowbarred in there.
Jim:Yeah. Well So so, yeah, I I I do think that with the right cast and script, you could he he would make a great Wolverine.
T.C.:So I'm just imagining the x men now by way of miscasting. I'm throwing quotes in there of, like, I mean, we've cast the fantastic four with Vin Diesel and the gang. We've cast fantastic four with Fred Willard and Catherine O'Hara and, like, the Christopher Guest. So why not cast the x men with Letter Kenny care? Like
Jim:Oh, like, oh, like, all all of the cast with Letter Kenny?
T.C.:Or just or just, you know, ridiculous Canadian Canadians.
Jim:Cast that would be a great way to cast X Men is casting is you wouldn't necessarily think. Not not, like, doing not megastars.
T.C.:Right. Not doing doing
Jim:small. Not fair. Hugh Jackman became a megastar because of Wolverine. That's a that's a that's a tough one. What came first, the Wolverine or the Jackman?
T.C.:The I don't know.
Jim:It's not that it's not that Hugh Jackman was nobody Right. Before.
T.C.:He pretty much was. He had, like
Jim:He was a Australian soap opera star.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:And then he was cast, and I remember my reaction as a comic book fan. What? Who's this man? Australian.
T.C.:Six foot
Jim:two with
T.C.:how handsome he is. We need Mel Gibson over here.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:So, hey. Let James Kilos, I think that was his name, is is not the most ridiculous casting of choice that's ever happened, maybe? Okay.
Jim:Essentially, though, I I I know what you're saying. What would be your not a list casting for for characters? Like, for Cyclops, I'd go with how what's the the guy's name from Silicon Valley?
T.C.:Oh, like Tim Timothy Middleditch? Yeah. Yeah. Thomas Middleditch? Timothy Miller.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:That guy.
Jim:As Cyclops. Right? Because he's because he's tall and thin. They have a very He's slim.
T.C.:Yeah. He's so old. Okay.
Jim:I I I I I know, some friends who are fans of Cyclops. They probably don't like that idea. You're so mad. Or
T.C.:Well, you know, I think we should do an X Men episode one of these days.
Jim:One of these days.
T.C.:Which which we have discussed in the past because Leah wanted to be on
Jim:Oh, yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. She she's a fan of the X Men movies. All of them, I think. And, it would be worth having her on to to do an X Men episode. But we're not doing X Men today.
T.C.:Sorry. I'm I'm gonna rope us back into what we're supposed to be I think that does it for this episode. That's the end of the script. I'm gonna go back to the top here. Cool.
T.C.:Let's get our demand for this episode. Our success as either podcasters or screenwriters has given us a loyal growing collection of demands from studios all over the world. That's you guys. The studio studios are you, the listeners who have submitted your request over at studiodemandsit.com. You can send us any demand you like, movie, TV series, whatever, as well as name your studio.
T.C.:Thank you for everyone who has submitted. We have we've been having a blast with some of these with all of them, the ones that we've done and the ones we haven't done yet. And, we have a we have a demand today start yet. That we're we're going to attack, which you've I'm look at me. I'm I'm vamping right now to as you bring up No.
T.C.:I I got it. Ready. I got it.
Jim:Jim is ready.
T.C.:I didn't know that I was supposed to be
Jim:the one that okay.
T.C.:I totally threw you out of the bus out there. Jim, I'm doing, like, the
Jim:the yeah.
T.C.:Recording this phone call. Trace the call.
Jim:Trace the call. Trace the call.
T.C.:The I'm snapping and and doing this. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, what do we got today, Jim?
Jim:So from from the Oranda family with the studio Oranda Studios.
T.C.:That's a that's a family studio right there.
Jim:It is. The the studio demand is a the Princess Bride sequel
T.C.:K.
Jim:Using same actors to play adult versions and brother of Andre the Giant using modern tech.
T.C.:To to probably fill, I'm assuming, the Andre the Giant role, just CG his
Jim:He's first so that Faiza can come back.
T.C.:Okay. So bringing back the original cast to reprise their roles in a Princess Bride sequel. Peter Falk has passed away, so I'm assuming Kevin Arnold is gonna be reading the story to one of his youngins now.
Jim:Oh, okay.
T.C.:Oh, you didn't consider that, did you?
Jim:No. I didn't. I I I might have a a dumb angle.
T.C.:Well, we'll get to that in a second.
Jim:Gonna make everyone mad.
T.C.:Now before we don't lose that.
Jim:Don't lose it. No. I won't I won't
T.C.:We've we've had some okay. This is funny because we did have a discussion on this on a previous episode because there was it was it it's very rare that the Internet will come together in one voice and agree on something, and everyone agreed that a Princess Bride remake was a bad idea.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:Everyone said, do not do that. Yes. I think the the the consensus was everyone was like, okay. You can do it, but the Muppets are in it.
Jim:Well, yeah, someone made the suggestion. And then when I saw that, I shared it with everyone.
T.C.:And and you spread it virally.
Jim:Yeah. It was me. It was all me. If you heard that I if you heard that, it wasn't the Internet spreading it around. It was me coming to your house and showing it to you.
Jim:So
T.C.:I I I heard the Muppet idea, and I'm like, yes. 100%. If some idiot studio thinks they can remake Princess Bride and they wanna, like, straight up do a remake
Jim:And of it not make people mad. Not make then, yes.
T.C.:100% do the Muppets. Yeah. Another way to go about this is I don't see anything wrong with a a Broadway stage musical version of the Princess Bride. I could see that working.
Jim:That's different. A staged version of things is it for whatever reason, it's it's like a weird exemption. It's because you're changing mediums. Right? Right.
Jim:We're gonna make a comic book of a thing. Yeah.
T.C.:It's like,
Jim:oh, okay.
T.C.:Well, niche audience is gonna see that. How many people saw Footloose on Broadway?
Jim:Not many.
T.C.:Yeah. I'm sure quite a few,
Jim:but I didn't. No. Well
T.C.:yeah. And as as far as remakes, there's there's a wonderful homage to the princess bride in Neil Gaiman's stardust. Stardust is very much a a play on Princess Bride in a lot of respects, especially from the film Robert De Niro's character playing essentially the Dread Pirate Roberts
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Who who, takes the main character played by Charlie Cox to make him into the new Dread Pirate and take on his tradition. Like, there's a lot of homage to princess bride in Stardust, and that movie is great. Sure. Yeah. Actually, Charlie clock Cox daredevil's in it.
T.C.:And the the pompous windbag, hoity toity Gaston as character is Henry Cavill.
Jim:Oh. And
T.C.:he so daredevil beats beats Superman.
Jim:So I feel bad. Yeah. I acknowledge Stardust is a really good movie.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:That's I'm one of the few people I know because everyone agrees that it was a great movie. Mhmm. I saw the movie, I was like, sure wasn't the book. And I know a lot of people are like, no. It was way better than the book, and I don't agree with those people.
T.C.:Well, I have not read the book. I find that hard to believe that it would be better than the book because 99.99 line over the nine, the book is gonna be better than any
Jim:Sure. Meat. And it and it's by Neil Gaiman. Right? So you're gonna say someone made a movie better than
T.C.:Neil Gaiman could write a book? A book? I find that very unlikely. We are laughing. I literally just dropped the the whole recording system right
Jim:me we're still recording. We're still recording. Okay.
T.C.:Although, if we got cut off on the laugh, that would have been perfectly fine. So Stardust is a good homage not sequel remake, but a good homage to a more modern version of of Princess Bride. And and, yes, we we can agree that the Muppets would be a way
Jim:to go here. You that would be like like, should we should we talk that one out, or should we just assume Yeah.
T.C.:Let's cast it.
Jim:The audience who who's the human characters?
T.C.:That'd be my first question. Is it Buttercup and
Jim:Wesley? So, like, I I saw I I also had some friends also saying what they think their their casting their Muppet casting would be for it.
T.C.:Before the Muppet, who would be the human character?
Jim:Who would be
T.C.:the human character? Wesley is your human character.
Jim:No. You're human. It would be maybe Humperdinck.
T.C.:Humperdinck. Humperdinck.
Jim:Because I because I think Hermit would be Wesley.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Okay. You're right. He'd be the he's the he's the the main character. Or or could Kermit be reading the story to Robin?
T.C.:And that's Kermit's role in the movie.
Jim:Oh, okay. I suppose.
T.C.:Because if Kermit's reading to Robin, then you can have Fozzy
Jim:go I suppose referencing the Muppet movies, the ones that are, like like, A Christmas Carol and stuff, the main character is the the human.
T.C.:Right. You're right. Humberdink would be would be human, and I think Wesley would be human. But I think Buttercup would be miss Piggy.
Jim:I think it it would be one or the other. One or
T.C.:the other? Okay. Well, I'm thinking, if you look at Muppet Christmas Carol, which arguably is the best of the Muppet movies Mhmm. You have Ebenezer Scrooge, and you have his nephew as the human two human characters.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:But Kermit does play Bob. Bob. Bob. Yeah. Well, let's go Muppet Cassie then.
T.C.:Who who are you Cassie? I Sweetums is obviously Andre the Giant.
Jim:Yep. That well, that that's, like, that's how it all began. Right? Like like, that was the clincher for the Muppets doing it. Some of them were were I think are pretty straightforward.
Jim:You can actually do a bunch of swapping and have a whole lot of fun in a bunch of different ways. But off the top of my head, Kermit would be Wesley. Okay. Miss Piggy would be Buttercup. Mhmm.
Jim:I I like Bunsen as
T.C.:Fazzic. Fazzic.
Jim:Fazzic?
T.C.:Wallace Sean. Yeah. Him. Yeah.
Jim:I thought Fazzic was Andre the Giant. Yeah. You're right.
T.C.:You're right.
Jim:Yeah. But you're seeing Vince Vince Vince Vince like, I do Back in the day, Inigo Montoya was the hard name to remember. And now that's that's easy
T.C.:one. Name.
Jim:But, yeah, Swalishan.
T.C.:So you're saying I
Jim:like the idea like, I can see Bunsen as as that character.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:The thing is Bunsen and actually, that might sort of be I I always thought Bunsen was kind of the straight man boring character, so putting him in that role, I think, would be a fun almost reversal for him.
T.C.:Mhmm. So but is it Bunsen or well, Vazini played by him Yeah. But without Beaker? Because Beaker and Benson usually Bunsen usually come.
Jim:They they do often team come as a team. I can't. So they could be saved for something else. Yeah. But that's the fur that that's an option.
Jim:Gonzo could be that character, but he kinda is taken out a little too early. Mhmm. Gonzo might make a good humper dink.
T.C.:Oh, yeah,
Jim:Gonzo. Yes. We know. No. No.
Jim:No. What was Gonzo ever no. Gonzo was never vying for the heart of Piggy.
T.C.:No. No. No. He loves chickens.
Jim:Yeah. He loves chickens. Well,
T.C.:I think that something to consider is you'd
Jim:I almost wanna, like, pause the podcast so I can
T.C.:go bring it up.
Jim:Well, let
T.C.:me talk through some of my ideas here. So K. Fazi as I as much as Sweden's is perfect for Fezic Mhmm. I think, the way the Muppet movies tend to to put their stars in bigger roles, I think Fozzy might actually end up being the one that they would cast as Fazzy.
Jim:No? Nope. Shaking my head. No.
T.C.:No? Okay. I I'm not saying I want that. I'm just trying to think like a studio here where it's like, well, is Sweden's the right way to go here? Is that what people are gonna want?
Jim:Oh, Gonzo was in in Ego. In Ego, Montoya, I believe.
T.C.:Well, that's and seeing Gonzo fight. See, this is where I think Wesley should be human so that you could see human Wesley fighting puppet Gonzo in a sword fight. And then he staves in his nose at one point to, like, hook the
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. To do the loop the the the backflip that Indigo do Inigo does. Oh, no. No. Wesley does the backflip.
T.C.:Because here's here's something to consider. You know, instead of making
Jim:I'm finding I'm finding all sorts of variation. Here we go. I think this was the
T.C.:Having Kermit and Piggy and Fozzy and Gonzo, which are essentially your four main characters of the Muppets or at least the four most popular, sticking them in the biggest roles is pretty obvious. I think there is something fun to say. No. No. Don't make Fazy Fazyc.
T.C.:Yeah. Definitely, Sweetums is the big giant. He should he should be playing the big giant. So having something like Gonzo playing, in indigo, but then having Kermit just be the one reading the story and not putting him in the main in the main story, I don't think that's disrespectful of a Kermit. I think it plays a little bit of Sure.
T.C.:You're taking a little bit of chance on your your casting here.
Jim:I'm I'm not finding a good I'm just gonna go steal my my friend Rick's list.
T.C.:Had Rick.
Jim:He had a bunch of good ones. There there was one or two I didn't agree with.
T.C.:Okay. But, yeah, I I think that, yeah, there's a lot of good chances of of celebrity cameos. Billy Crystal would sign up to play Max, like, except he wouldn't need hair and makeup this time. He could just, you know, do it via, but but then to have, Carol King come back Carol King come back and play his wife, I think to see them doing it again would be hilarious. But then at the same time, it's like, well, I don't know.
T.C.:It might be funny to see, like, the Swedish chef playing Max, Miracle Max. He's doing a.
Jim:He's a. Found I found the list, the the original the original one I saw.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Good. The Internet said the the original one was I would absolutely watch a Princess Bride remake if and only if it was a Muppets remake and Andre the Giant was played by Sweetums. No. And then someone else followed up with more cast, which was Kermit narrating for Robin. So you you Oh, there you Piggy as buttercup.
Jim:Mhmm. Random British actor slash token human, Orlando Bloom, Tom Hiddleston, whoever, as Wesley. Gonzo is Gonzo is in Nego Montoya. Yes. Bunsen Honeydew as Vizzini.
Jim:That's that might be why I I thought that. Fozzy or Beaker or Swedish Chef as the wedding vicar.
T.C.:No. It's gotta be Swedish Chef.
Jim:Maybe. Rizzo the rat, as an r o u s.
T.C.:Yes. Oh my god. But having him be ridiculously sized? Nope. No.
T.C.:Just having more like
Jim:I think I'm being the regular size. Yeah.
T.C.:Hey. Look out. I'm gonna invite you over here.
Jim:Added flashback scene with Mandy Patinkin or Carrie Elway says the dread pirate Roberts.
T.C.:Oh, yes. Yep.
Jim:This would be the only remake I could conceivably stomach. So that was the original
T.C.:I love it.
Jim:The original thing I had seen.
T.C.:As as much as the idea of remaking Princess Bride makes my skin crawl, doing it with the Muppets just makes me smile. Like, that's Oh, absolutely. Fantastic.
Jim:So my friend Rick, just blatantly ripping off his Facebook post.
T.C.:Thank you, Rick.
Jim:Let's see here. He said, Kermit as narrator is great since he would show proper reverence for miss Peggy's beauty as buttercup. Oh. He can break the fourth wall and could put, pull off casual references to the original Morgenstern.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Bunsen as Bazini is way off. Why? Because he's bald and maybe smart. The thing is, I actually I can really see Bunsen doing the whole, But if Yeah. You think that it's in
T.C.:my goblet, but I know that it's in your goblet.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
Jim:Yeah. And I think that could that that that would be sort of a because otherwise, Bunsen's kind of he's always been sort of a a a pretty milk toast character. Right.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And this would be a great great opportunity to to showcase a character who who kinda got sidelined.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:But I think Rick is right. Fozzy is the zine
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:Is the way to go.
T.C.:Yeah. There you go. There's Fozzy. There he is. Yeah.
T.C.:Gonna you got to think it's in your goblet, but I know that it's in mine.
Jim:And and then that way, Fozzy, as as Rick says here, Fozzy's talkative, thinks he's more clever than he is, plus then Fozzy and Gonzo can interact, which is always good.
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:Beaker is wedding vicar That would be sweet. Beaker is wedding. Me me me me. Mom.
T.C.:As as the wedding You you
Jim:don't get any of the the the kind of fake sounding words Me me. With yeah. But Me
T.C.:me. Yeah.
Jim:But then
T.C.:Oh, the
Jim:old man character, he's here. Recommends Swedish chef as count Rugen, the six fingered man.
T.C.:Oh, I didn't even think a six fingered man.
Jim:He oh, actually, that that's not bad. So his reasons, sometimes portrayed with real human hands behind the Muppet, which is great for sword fighting. Yeah. Two, lack of discernible voice makes him easier to cast as a villain. Mhmm.
Jim:And three, just effing hilarious. Poogie, poogie, poogie, poogie. That that could be pretty good.
T.C.:You killed my father. Prepare to die. I think that's the I think what the trouble you run-in here is the the unwillingness of modern day Muppets to, people working on the Muppets to go to adults. They they I feel like people treat the Muppets as a kid's property now. Sure.
T.C.:But Muppets has always been an adult property. Not that they need to be cursing or anything, but it's always been, more intelligent humor than just a kid's it's not a it's not Sesame Street. Sesame Street's for kids, Muppets for a broader audience. So the you killed my father, prepare to die. I feel like there there would be some studio, like, do we really wanna say have Gonzo say, you killed my father, prepare to die?
Jim:Gonzo's Gonzo said not those words, but he's said similar kinds
T.C.:of things. But I'm we're we're thinking of the Muppets as a whole, the way Henson and Frank has originally conceived them to be adult entertainers, that I feel like there's well, Disney owns them now. Do we really wanna go to this PG PG, level? And I say yes. I say, of course, you can't change that element of it.
T.C.:Mhmm. And even having Kermit being like, if you wanna have some sort of talking to kids moment of, like, okay. Well, prepare to die is pretty harsh, but we we can't really change this script.
Jim:Yeah. I I don't know. I no. I I don't think I don't think the Muppets are that much softer than the Princess Bride was.
T.C.:Okay. Okay. Just checking. I I'm just just thinking of that fear of, like, uh-huh. I can't believe Gonzo said die.
Jim:And just just to finish up, entirely ripping off my friend, Rick. Mhmm. He thinks that you need another human for Prince Humperdinck. He he wants to cast someone from Game of Thrones,
T.C.:so he can do some
Jim:Game of Thrones references. And then he wants to put Billy Crystal and Carol Kane reprising their roles.
T.C.:Okay. I think I I really like that, Rick. Thank you. That's great, Jim. Thank you for sharing it.
T.C.:I I six finger man needs to be cast as someone else. I'd love the idea of the Swedish chef, but I think he's better for the priest. Yeah. And the six finger man. Six finger man.
T.C.:I I think six finger man should be the the other human character, and Humperdinck should be one of the Muppets. I I I think that as far as confrontations is concerned to have human Wesley go up against puppet Humperdinck and puppet Gonzo going up against human six finger man allows for maximum silliness
Jim:Interesting.
T.C.:As opposed to human Wesley going up against human Hupperdink in the end. Besides, there's no, like, final confrontation with Hupperdink anyway. He's just shamed out of the room. They have no fight. Whereas, Gonzo fighting toe to toe with Kit Harrington as the six finger man or something.
Jim:You know?
T.C.:I'm I'm I'm being wishy washy here
Jim:because I'm like, no.
T.C.:It should be human. No. It shouldn't be human. Should be puppet. Like, I think, I think that's the better way to go to have Six Finger Man be your celebrity villain because he's the better villain.
T.C.:Humperdink certainly is the antagonist in the story, but Six Finger Man is the true villain that needs to be defeated in
Jim:the I'm I'm What
T.C.:a great what a great movie. Princess Bridegroom.
Jim:So I actually, I think Sam the Eagle would make a decent six fingered man.
T.C.:Okay. I like that.
Jim:Because right. Christopher Gets played played him very, very not flat isn't the right word, but played him very Serious. Serious and and not monotone, but always on the same level right up until he got pushed to the end. And Sam the eagle's always always right here. Sam the eagle.
T.C.:Imagine the moment where Indigo Gonzo faces him in the hallway. He holds a sword to him. Sam the eagle stands there, faces him
Jim:And then runs.
T.C.:And then turns and runs. Right? You can see him do this little, like, head bob, neck turn without moving his body, and then just like, that works. I think you're onto something with Sam Eagle playing the six figure man
Jim:here.
T.C.:Yeah. We're just just geeking out on Muppets.
Jim:Yeah. We are.
T.C.:Which is fine.
Jim:I I I don't I I don't I'm not sure where, but I want the the the fish the fish tosser guy
T.C.:in there. Oh, sure.
Jim:I don't know where.
T.C.:It's the ENT guy. You gotta go like, people forget how deep that cast is. Like Yeah. What about the band? Like, there are they Animal and the Band, just the the
Jim:Oh, yeah. And it's not animal in the band.
T.C.:Doctor teeth. Doctor teeth. And And the electric.
Jim:Yep. Yep. Dang it. Real real big fans.
T.C.:Yeah. The yeah. Yeah. Doctor teeth and I'm sorry. I was just thinking animal on the drums there.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I no. I I understand. He is he is the most popular one.
T.C.:He's just playing the triangle. He did that in oh, that's in Muppet Christmas Carol Yeah. Where they're the band playing all proper. Mhmm. And he's just playing the triangle.
Jim:And it's driving him crazy.
T.C.:Electric mayhem. Sorry. I wanted to get that right. It's doctor teeth in electric mayhem. Which best joke for them from the Muppets TV show that was canceled a few years back Uh-huh.
T.C.:Was, that doctor Teeth and the gang are a little more aloof than they used to be, especially now because it's legal to be aloof. Oh. Like that little reference to
Jim:Oh, I wish that I wish I had watched watched that show, and I wish it had had taken off.
T.C.:Had gone on. Well, it it exists. You can still watch it for for what it is.
Jim:I still I wanna cast Humperdinck, and then I'm ready to move on. I I may just have to
T.C.:A puppet or human?
Jim:I I like puppets.
T.C.:Okay. Mean, yes, I do too. But I I certainly having Wesley be human
Jim:is Yeah.
T.C.:Is satisfying quite a bit of what the Muppet movies do. And there's there can be other humans out there. Like, a great cameo moment would be just before the, I am the trade pirate, Roberts. And he's wearing the big black, cloak. Uh-huh.
T.C.:And the two guard one could be a puppet guard, and one could be Dave Grohl. Like, there could be a chance for human cameos there.
Jim:Oh, or or you just have it be god. I'm forgetting all the names now. Statler and Waldorf.
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:Making fun of the like, everyone else is is running away. Like, they think it's the Dread Pirate Roberts, but they're just heckling him.
T.C.:Dread pirate. Dread pirate. I
Jim:don't even know. I can't even I can't even do the heckling. Yeah.
T.C.:They'll all get in there. But, yeah, who who puppet wise could play hopper dink? Who is someone who oh, the shrimp.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, just a little guy. You know? Pepe. Pepe.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Actually, Pepe the prawn. He's not a he's not a
Jim:shrimp. Right? My my bad.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, I I'm gonna call him a shrimp. You did. But he having him be the one who kidnapped Piggy and having Wesley come in there and, like, to the pain to him, like, oh, man. I didn't sign up for this.
Jim:Yeah. That could work.
T.C.:Yeah. And and, obviously, I gotta see Scooter in there somewhere, and, there's more than a handful of characters that Ralph Ralph. Sorry.
Jim:Well, he's part of the band.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. He is. That's right. Yeah.
Jim:He doesn't have to be. Ralph was, popular enough that he got his own
T.C.:Older than Kermit. Ralph was the first. Yeah. Was one of the first puppets that Muppets that Jim Henson created. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Would be I just it feels like it should exist. It feels like there's an alternate universe where it already exists. Yeah.
T.C.:Like, we're it's it's it's kazamming. It's Sinbad's genie movie coming into existence here.
Jim:Like, are you
T.C.:sure this doesn't exist already after, like, this exists?
Jim:Forcing a Mandela effect.
T.C.:So so make it so. But as much as I could talk Muppets all day, we are We've definitely not satisfied.
Jim:We've definitely vamped a bunch of this episode the year. Talking about the wrong thing. The wrong thing.
T.C.:I I'm almost tempted to take our break here and come back and start talking about the dang demand, if you're if you are cool taking a break right here real
Jim:quick. Sure. Yeah. I I I do you think we're gonna get the whole episode about this? Yeah.
Jim:I do. I think so. Well, then yeah.
T.C.:Okay. Cool. Well, we'll take a quick break here. Here's a here's a an ad drop from our our wonderful six five media. So we'll be we'll be right back.
T.C.:Or will we? Not a joke. No.
Jim:Hello. I'm Max. And I'm Jordan. And I'm here to talk to you about the Top Hat Balloon Show. It's a great show.
Jim:It's a sketch comedy show that comes out every week. Hilarious things happen in it. You can find us on YouTube or iTunes or on our website at tophatballoonshow.com. We have a website. So so I was quickly reading the comments on my friend Rick's post about this, and there were some really great ideas there.
Jim:So
T.C.:He's steal those. Yeah.
Jim:Steal those ideas. Do those. So I actually really like this one is Bunsen and Beaker act as Miracle Max and his wife. Oh, yeah. That's really like that a lot.
T.C.:As I do love the idea of Carole Cain coming back and tolerating Billy Crystal coming back, Benson and Beaker Yeah. Is pretty great.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Especially if Beaker just imagine him coming at me like
Jim:Breaking out. Yeah.
T.C.:Well, I don't think that's very nice of you to say. Yes. Oh, he's only partially dead.
Jim:Say that.
T.C.:True love. Yeah. Yeah. Don't listen to him. He's a witch.
Jim:Let's see here. Somebody thought Scooter as Vazini. Someone thought Scooter is the vicar.
T.C.:Yep.
Jim:Yep. Actually, Scooter is Vazini really works, and it I I realized maybe Fozzy as Humperdink.
T.C.:Kidnap you.
Jim:There was a great battle here. I he he never really does jokes, though, the way the way Fozzy does, though.
T.C.:Yeah. You obviously would have to rewrite a lot of these characters for Scooters, vizzini's kinda great too. I love the Muppets.
Jim:Pepe the Prawn as the shrieking eel. That was a really good idea.
T.C.:I'm gonna get you. It's pretty big.
Jim:Oh, for Statler and Waldorf Mhmm. Somebody mentioned actually, Rick commented. Somebody else said, the Swedish chef is the old woman who shouts boo at Buttercup. Okay. Boo.
T.C.:And then
Jim:he said, not Statler and Waldorf?
T.C.:Oh, yes. That's their cameo.
Jim:That's really good. That's so good. More that more Buttercup.
T.C.:More like butter dump because she dumped Wesley.
Jim:That's And and and then more more agreements that Peter Dinklage's Humperdinck would be really good. Oh, that's pretty great too. He really could ham it up Yeah. Properly as Humperdinck.
T.C.:He was in pixels, so clearly, has no shame.
Jim:Yeah. So the yeah. Those those are the handful of comments that I I really liked. And the the beat Bunsen and Beaker is Miracle Max, I I felt was worth revisiting. I like that.
Jim:Really, really like that. But, anyway, onto our actual demand.
T.C.:Yes. A sequel to Prince Black. To Prince of Bride with as many cast members returning. They said the original cast. Yeah.
T.C.:Well, you had an idea. So before we we go into what the heck this story is even gonna be about Mhmm. Two things. One, there is a sequel. It's a short story, and it's about their baby, their daughter.
T.C.:It's Buttercup's baby or Buttercup's daughter, something like that. Do the research.
Jim:Baby cup? Baby cup.
T.C.:It's it's a short story, and it's it was released for one of the anniversaries of the book, like, twenty fifth or whatnot. So there is that, but we won't we won't delve that because I can't even tell you what the title of it was. And two, you said you had an idea
Jim:It's for super irreverent, and no one's gonna like it except for me because it's just goofy.
T.C.:I also forgot to reference earlier that we did get dead Once Upon a Deadpool, which was Deadpool two told as a PG 13 movie. And it was deadpool it was a recreation of the set. Fred Savage was in the bed. Deadpool was reading to him. Yeah.
T.C.:Apparently, very funny and very irreverent as as Deadpool is watching.
Jim:You and you loved it? I did not.
T.C.:Yeah. I was so mad about the timing. It's a whole thing. Those of you who know know, tweet at me. I'll explain it.
T.C.:But, anyway, you have an idea for how the this element of the movie can exist, I'm assuming is what you mean.
Jim:Sort of. Okay.
T.C.:What what do we got here, Jim? So much. Let me let me judgmentally look at you.
Jim:Yeah. My idea
T.C.:I can't lean back. The headphones won't go.
Jim:My idea for why we are revisiting the story with the same actors
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Playing the same characters years later as we as they are is because Fred Savage is grown up. Yeah. And he has a son of his own who is homesick, and he decides to to tell him this story or read him this story.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:But it's not quite the same. And so everything's just off. It's just off in Fred Savage's telling.
T.C.:I think I know okay. I think I know it's telling the same movie. Yeah. Oh my god. This makes perfect sense because the the the story to the story Mhmm.
T.C.:The the reason the movie has a grandfather reading to a kid is because Princess Bride, the book, has a backstory to it, which is the writer who you you mentioned him earlier. Mhmm. When he was little, his grandfather would read him the Princess Bride when he was sick. And when he was older, he found the Princess Bride only to discover that his grandfather left things out and omitted all the boring parts and basically made up the whole story to entertain the child. Mhmm.
T.C.:So when he when he found the real Princess Bride and went to Tran like, read it and he decided to to translate it to the way his grandfather told it, which is the book that you can buy. Mhmm. The forward in it or the introduction is the explanation that this is his translation to what the story that he was told as a kid. Sure. All of that's made up too.
T.C.:Like, that's not a real thing. That's a fake back story to the exit. How meta decades ahead of the the trend of doing so. So the fact that you're pitching that Fred Savage decides to sit down and tell this kid a story and bust out the prince's bride, I think he discovers right then and there
Jim:Oh, yeah.
T.C.:That grandpa did not tell And
Jim:so he has to make up new sections Yeah. Like like, thing things like that. And so in the in in the movie as it's happening Yeah. It doesn't necessarily break the fourth wall, but there's a lot of lampshading because we're seeing peep we're we're seeing characters we know, but not as not as we remember them.
T.C.:Because they're 30 years older. Yes. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's it's it's almost too funny.
T.C.:Like, it's almost too
Jim:That that's what I mean. It's it's It's a parody. It's, yeah, it's almost a parody. It's it's very irreverent of the original material. One reason I do like it though is because it is also homage.
Jim:True. If done right, it would it would still be because what it's doing is it's acknowledging how good the original one was Mhmm. But still trying to kind of do its own thing.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Again, without without the what's what's
T.C.:words. Words.
Jim:They're so hard.
T.C.:And there's so many of them. You lose track sometimes.
Jim:Pretension. That's the word I was trying to think. Without the pretension of thinking it can pull off an actual sequel to Princess Bride. Like, oh, we're gonna be just as lovable or we're gonna be just as endearing and and meaningful and and and all these things. Like, we can't we can't do that.
T.C.:So So many studios think that, though. There's so many studios that come out and do whether you got, like, Robocop and Total Recall over here or you do like, the way Disney does their cash grabs, way they they think, this is gonna be as good as the original. This is better. This is the way it's always been meant to be. It's almost that attitude George Lucas has about the original Star Wars.
T.C.:Like, I don't know. This is the way it was always meant to be. Yeah. No. We love what we love the way we loved it.
T.C.:Stop changing it.
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:And and you're right. There's a pretension in thinking, oh, no. We can do better. Mhmm. Like, no.
T.C.:No. No. There's a reason the entire Internet agreed this was a bad idea. So going your routes of not making fun of it, but basically agreeing that's a bad idea to do. I I've said this before because they've have a perfect track record of taking things that shouldn't work and making them work.
T.C.:Miller and Lord are right on the mark to do something like this. Sure. And they have proven with the 21 Jump Street and 22 Jump Street of being able to say, we are aware that this is a truly bad idea. Just go with it and giving us gold.
Jim:Sure. So
T.C.:right off the bat, I'm like, okay. In the right people's hands, lovingly doing it with that premise of it's Princess Bride two, but it's it's the same story essentially, just broken.
Jim:Yeah. The what the sequel is is the narrator.
T.C.:The that's the yes. Yes. 100 that's perfect way to to to explain it. We're telling the exact same movie. The sequel is Fred Savage trying to read this book to to a kid realizing, what?
T.C.:This is that and then even
Jim:Actually, now I I can see it. Like like, you get to the part where Peter Falk had had fast forwarded Mhmm. Through the story, and then he falls in the river.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:There's a where where the the part where he goes, where was I? Where and he and he's fast forwarding through those bits. Yeah. You get to that scene, and what Fred Savage does there is it's not where is my place, and we get the, like, the weird fast fast forward montage. Yeah.
Jim:It's instead, he can't find he can't find the scene.
T.C.:Like, wait. Wait. Where's this scene in this scene that you used have? This supposed to happen.
Jim:This is to fast forward montage of things he remembers having happened, but they're not there.
T.C.:Are you okay? No. I'm not. I'm not okay. I don't know.
T.C.:I guess I'll just read the story as is. Boring. Boring. Boring. Okay.
T.C.:Let me see if I can remember how this is supposed to go.
Jim:Yeah. Like that.
T.C.:The oh, man. Can Charlie Kaufman write this? I feel like that might be the right guy to like Spike Jones directs it?
Jim:Yeah. Charlie Kaufman writes it. Lord Miller direct it.
T.C.:So okay. I that is hilarious. I think there's something to that that there's this weird I don't know. There's a weird part of me that feels like is that? Is that cheating?
Jim:Are we are we cheating the studio's demands?
T.C.:Putting on the big screen? Like, that feels like a Netflix idea. It feels like we we often discuss this. Netflix movies always have, you can't put your finger on it, but there's something. No matter how big the budget or how good looking the movie, there's something that leaves me thinking, yeah, this this was meant to be streamed and not seen on the big screen.
T.C.:And right now, as I love this idea, the the silliness of it, being able to bring the cast back to reprise the roles and and clunking their way through this new version of the story while trying to recreate moments feels Netflix y, feels Amazon. Doesn't necessarily feel like a big screen.
Jim:And it Okay.
T.C.:And I and I don't know if this satisfies what the Aranda production company was asking. Mhmm. So I think we why don't we discuss, can you do a sequel and what would that sequel be? Like, sure. Do do you do you pick up where because because here's the thing.
T.C.:I don't think people are not that they're remembering, but they aren't considering this aspect of the the story being read to someone. Sure. I don't think people are considering that. Sure. I think immediately they think of Buttercup and Wesley and Indigo and and and Eagle and go and the Six Fingered Man, all that.
T.C.:All that said and done, this many years later, where do these characters pick up? Well, you have Wesley and Buttercup are king and queen of the land. Or well, they're not king and queen of the land because they weren't royalty. Humperdinck.
Jim:Nope. They went they went back to the farm.
T.C.:Yeah. But they they could they would then have a kid who would go on an adventure. Indigo an in the
Jim:In Inigo.
T.C.:Inigo is the dread pirate Roberts. He very likely is already preparing someone else to take over for him. Mhmm. So I I I almost wonder if maybe even almost borrowing a little bit from, say, Stardust. Because if you remember from Stardust, the main character, Charlie Cox's character, his father had an adventure on the other side of the wall as a young man.
T.C.:It's it's disgusting prologue. That's where he even came from. Mhmm. Was that his father went out on another adventure, and then he is the new generation going on an adventure of his own. So a sequel of The Princess Bride where all these characters are 30 years older and they've they've lived their full lives, we're almost asking for a force awakens kind of handoff here Mhmm.
T.C.:Where there's a new generation, a new dread pirate Roberts that's being trained, Buttercup and Wesley's child or children going on their adventure. And and what would that be? Is is is there a new royal threat? Is Humperdinck's son also a problem here? Are we I mean, now I'm literally force awakens in here in terms of, like, nope.
T.C.:New generation. Boom. Boom. Boom. They all kinda fit the roles and roll with it.
T.C.:Because there's the the thing is about princess bride is it is a fantasy adventure movie, but it's not it's not wizards and magic and, elves and all these all the the Lord of the Rings game even or even, I guess, Game of Thrones. It's not all the Lord of the Rings dungeons and dragons tropes of fantasy. It's it's much more grounded in a pseudo reality, I guess. Right? Sure.
T.C.:You're you're more the expert on this than I am.
Jim:I it's not high fantasy. There isn't Right. There isn't grand magic and, terrible monsters.
T.C.:Right. There's just rodents of unusual sizes and Yeah. Very and lightning quicksands.
Jim:Yeah. And albinos healing your wounds to
T.C.:Oh, who plays the albino?
Jim:Yeah. Oh, the suggestion on on the the the the comments list was animal. That's actually pretty good.
T.C.:That's pretty good.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:I've I'm gonna say animal in the band. Now I
Jim:was gonna say good albino.
T.C.:I was gonna say an albino Ralph. Oh. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
T.C.:Anyway That'd be kinda funny. Anyway, back back to to Buttercup and Wesley's kids. Is that the way to go? Oh, no. Sorry.
T.C.:That the where I was was in terms of So here's my problem. Fantasy this is. Yeah.
Jim:So my my problem with that with with just force awakens and just make child versions of Mhmm. Of all the characters
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Is that does not satisfy the demand of bringing the cast the old cast back.
T.C.:No. They they can be Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, they're all back. Playing their characters again.
Jim:I okay. I'm just I'm just suppose. Okay. It does depend on on how it's written and how they're they're okay.
T.C.:I I think in if we're going in this direction, the of the original cast, Mandy Patinkin has the most to do. He's the he's training the new dread pirate Roberts. Like, he would be the one that would have almost the I'm gonna just keep rolling with this, the Harrison Ford level of involvement. Whereas I I don't see Robin Wright and that's Robin Wright, right, playing Yes. Buttercup and and Carrie Ellis playing having too much of a critical role in this new adventure.
T.C.:Their their story has ended. I I mean, not to say that adults can't have adventures too, but I feel like there's their story's over. Indigo's the one who has the he's got the adventure ahead of him. He's got they went back to the farm to live their lives happily ever after.
Jim:It's been thirty years. His adventure is also sun sunsetting.
T.C.:Right. That's what I'm saying. I think that, having him training the new dread pirates and some sort of threats I honestly I don't know why, but I just my synapse synapses going thought of Finn's D and D campaign where he has the pirate girl. This is so inside No.
Jim:Yeah. Information.
T.C.:But, like what you're talking about. Having a a female dread pirate who, is out there.
Jim:An idea came came to me just now. So Buttercup and Wesley went off into the sunset happily ever after. I believe we're meant to believe they went back to the farm. I don't know if that was ever actually said.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:If we try to, extrapolate out in a quote, unquote realistic manner, Humperdinck wouldn't just let them go.
T.C.:He'd be pretty
Jim:kicked would off. Send people after him.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:The one place that they know they can get away is the swamp the the the the fire swamp.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:So what if they did do the absurd suggestion that Wesley made?
T.C.:Just live in the fire swamp.
Jim:Live in the fire swamp. And so we rejoined them as they live in the fire swamp with their
T.C.:So kid,
Jim:and their kid wants to go somewhere other than
T.C.:The fire
Jim:the swamp. Fire swamp. Yeah. He
T.C.:kicks open the door on the outhouse. Right? He's he's very angsty, and it opens up with somebody wants to. Yep. Yep.
Jim:That's what it is. I'm out
T.C.:of here, mom. Perfect movie. I'm out here, dad. And and you're welcome for everyone who's singing that the rest of their day. That's enough of the song to, like Yeah.
T.C.:It's that's all you need. Psalm. Body. That's it. You can Psalm.
T.C.:Like, that might be enough right there. Sorry. Sorry. I that throw that out there. Having the notion of the of the kid wants to leave the farm.
T.C.:Center of this fire swamp, they've they've survived. They have a beautiful man, I this can't be in world in book time thirty years later because that kid would be well gone at this point. Like Sure. I I think are are we are we suggesting that the in universe is thirty years later?
Jim:That that's what I'm that's what I was thinking. Or or we could tell something much earlier and use de aging technology.
T.C.:I'm more on to say what about Everybody. What what what about ism. I'm gonna give a what about. Mhmm. That's they did stay in the fire swamp, and they went to the center.
T.C.:They cleared it out, and they built a whole village. They welcomed other outcasts into the fire swamp.
Jim:Oh, a whole a whole, Robin Hood and Merryman type thing.
T.C.:And and they have a kingdom. And there is a desire of a third like, grandkids or so I'm sorry for Carrie Ellis and Rod and Wright. They just said that they could be grandparents, but that there is
Jim:They they could be.
T.C.:They don't have to necessarily be their blood that is wanting to escape. Oh, is this too much like the village? I apologize.
Jim:Yeah. So so I feel I feel like that
T.C.:believe the car goes by. Oh my god. Sorry.
Jim:Because it didn't I feel like that undoes sort of the the simplistic notion of the end of it of Buttercup and Wesley will go off on their own. Mhmm. And they don't need riches. They don't need a kingdom. They just need each other each other's love
T.C.:Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Jim:To to survive.
T.C.:True. Okay. I I you're right. I totally concede that we're gonna take that piece of spaghetti off the wall and K. And not use that noodle.
T.C.:I will eat I will eat this noodle. Oh, okay. So
Jim:I unfortunately, from here, I feel like I feel like any plots are gonna be contrived. I guess let's go through the contrived ones. So their one kid wants to wants to go out on their own adventures. Maybe they are a young adult at this point. Right?
Jim:They're not a teenager. Like, they are 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:They want to go see the world. And when they finally get out of the swamp, it's now a matter of navigating the politics of Humperdinck's kingdom and the dread pirate Roberts. Mhmm. And I don't know what else there is in the world.
T.C.:Well, let's, I'm gonna go a different way with you. Okay. That we we have Buttercup and Wesley, and they have lived happily ever after. They have their life on the farm. They have, well, you know, maybe, like, two or three kids.
T.C.:And and one of them is that vine for adventure wants to see the bigger picture out there. And Mhmm. And they're and and maybe it's a little bit of a little bit of Luke here. Sorry to keep going back to Star Wars, but that I wanna leave the farm. Well, give me one more season.
T.C.:Buttercup is is is not quite willing to let the the child go. And Wesley's the one saying, you know, I went out there. We we I had my adventure. It's it they want this. We we should let them, you know, we should let them have this.
T.C.:And our our secondary plot is the dread pirate, Roberts, the real villain of this movie. We get to see Inigo and his new the the new dread pirate who has inherited the mantle, and and Inigo is his is his schme. Uh-huh. Whatever the threat may be, it's too much to handle. And he goes, hey.
T.C.:Fine, Wesley. And new dread pirate shows up on the farm and says, I need your help. There's a threat that only the an a previous dread pirate Roberts could could take care of. I need your help. And Wesley either Obi Wan Kenobi's with with his child off on this adventure or the whole family goes or to get them to get them into the thrust them into
Jim:the adventure. Family Roberts.
T.C.:They have a tree house on an island. The Swiss the dread Swiss family Roberts. No. Well, there we go. So that that you create your villain as this completely new entity that is a threat to the land that the dread pirate is going up against, and and Ego sends his apprentice, the new dread pirate, to find Wesley and Buttercup.
T.C.:And and even if Fescue stayed on the farm, like, he's there. If we're gonna if we're magically bringing Andre the Giant back into this with technology, he's
Jim:Use a farmhand. I thought well, I the I think the demand was to use under the giant's son.
T.C.:Right. I'm saying the character himself is is living with stayed with Buttercup and Wesley in there. Maybe at the next farm over. I don't know.
Jim:I have an alternate Okay. Suggestion. The the Wesley Buttercup child heads off Mhmm. Out into the world to find out what's going on because none of them know because they live in a fire swamp.
T.C.:Happily.
Jim:And what we learn is that Humperdinck died alone, left no heirs, and so his kingdom doesn't really have a governance. Oh, a
T.C.:little bit Game of Thrones action here.
Jim:And what we find out is that the dread pirate Roberts has been terrorizing the people. And our character goes to being the good sort. We can come up with better reasoning. We should really work true love into here somehow.
T.C.:To blaze.
Jim:Oh, actually, that would be good. That undoes what I'm gonna finish my suggestion.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And what we find out is the Dread Pirate Roberts, the one that is the new Dread Pirate Roberts. Mhmm. They actually really like the idea of being a pirate and leaving no survivors and taking treasure and being evil. Oh.
T.C.:Kinda red.
Jim:So for whatever reason, our character feels they need to stop that.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Right? They're like, no. I gotta help these ex humperdinkians. Hump humperdinkites?
T.C.:No. They lived in it was it was Florin.
Jim:Oh, that yeah.
T.C.:That's right. There's a name after money, currency. Rupees.
Jim:Okay. There we go. Yep. Oh, that that's actually a good point. Oh, that's because the whole the the whole plot was to start a war.
Jim:We gotta incorporate that somehow, but gonna finish what I'm again, finish what I'm saying. Pew pew pew So yeah. Junior goes off to find out about robbers, find out what's going on Mhmm. And ultimately learns the the only way that they're going to be able to to get knowledge about what to do about this is, oh, they would have the secret knowledge that Dread Pirate Roberts has passed down because that's what their dad did. Yeah.
Jim:So Yeah. He has to go and find the previous dread pirate, which is an ego who has retired. So he goes to find him. Fezic lives with him. So he goes he finds them.
Jim:He's like, we gotta stop. You're you're the one who replaced you. And he's like, I'm retired now. He's like, no. You got stuff.
Jim:And he's like, okay. And so then junior Mhmm. Inigo, Montoya, and Fezic head out to to so I think we're we get into the second act at some point here with these three head out to stop our antagonist, which is Dread Pirate Roberts.
T.C.:The Dread Pirate Roberts.
Jim:Feels pretty pat. He doesn't really feel super motivated.
T.C.:I really hate to do this to you. Yep. But you just described Star Wars. Yeah. You just described Force Awakens and Last Jedi.
T.C.:The retired ex hero who trained the bad guy.
Jim:I did say it was Pat.
T.C.:Here I am. It's my fault. I planted the seeds without you knowing them. I stuck them in the back of your head. Sort of.
T.C.:Referencing Star Wars.
Jim:A part of it's also I like, I know the dread pirate Roberts was a good guy in in the the original Princess Bride, but he's a pirate. He's a dread pirate, and he's Yeah. Yeah. He can't be secretly a good guy to everyone.
T.C.:True. I I well, I I think there's a I think there's a way to blend that where the Sure. Where he's so so, for example, having the new dread pirate that's, Inigo trained show up to recruit Wesley in the family be a murderer, like, straight up sword fight killing people. And Wesley being like, what are you doing? And that character being like, I'm a pirate.
T.C.:I don't know how you did it when you were the dread pirate.
Jim:No survivors.
T.C.:Pillage. Right? That's the whole thing. Murder, kill. I'm a pirate.
T.C.:Like, not thinking like, yeah. I'm a I'm a pirate. Like, not making a why are you making a big deal of this? I'm literally. And Wesley is is either gotta be like, that's not how I did it or come to terms with, like, oh, yeah.
T.C.:That's not kinda how pirates are. You're you're not really a good guy. I think there's some some room to play within there. Yeah. Getting forcing them on this adventure to
Jim:Another notion occurred to me to try to shoehorn true love into there somehow.
T.C.:True to believe.
Jim:The the new dread pirate is a woman. Or or we can swap the genders don't are are not important here. Right. We could even go same gender. Why not?
Jim:Yeah. Stop me.
T.C.:Progressive. I'm not gonna stop you. Think it's a great idea.
Jim:Basically, junior junior and the new dread pirate fall in love. True love there.
T.C.:True love.
Jim:That's what happens. Make it make it so.
T.C.:Could
Jim:I I don't know how to get there.
T.C.:Could I mean, how much do we wanna borrow from the original that we're not exactly remaking it that if so so, for example, if if the the dread pirate, Roberts, who comes to recruit the family to get in the swing of things. Right?
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:The big villain of this is an even worse pirate. I know we're getting into Pirates of the Caribbean territory If the big villain antagonist is from is a young character who disappeared much like Wesley disappeared from Buttercup's life Mhmm. If this was a young someone who disappeared from our new, Buttercup and Wesley's child's life who is now not you know, like, Wesley went off, became Sure. Jedi Rivertsen did his thing, came back to to stop her from marrying like, be mad at her for marrying Humperdinck. Right?
T.C.:This new villain went off and became a true villain. So now it's a matter of our new main character, Wesley and Buttercup's kid, trying to like, discovering, you're my childhood friend. You're actually the bad guy here, and now I must redeem you. There's good in you. I sense it.
T.C.:Like
Jim:Yep. And
T.C.:and fighting that that oh god. Freaking Star Wars. And that's in my I don't know either if it's in my head or just Star Wars is so cliche that it it's taking all these fantasy elements.
Jim:The word is archetypal.
T.C.:Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry, Joseph. Joseph Campbell over here. I I oh, we got a lot of ideas here.
Jim:I I'm still gravitating back to my irreverent sequel.
T.C.:I okay. If we have three ideas, we have a a wholly original one that borrows heavily from the original to go on this adventure to find true love, redeem a villain, and yada yada yada. We also have our irreverence just trying to remake it and doing a bad job of it and being okay with that to the point where the third act would be something completely different. Let the kid tell the rest of the story. You're telling it wrong.
T.C.:You're telling it right. Fine. How would you want it to go? And then they come up with it together. And, well, first of all, let's get rid of these old people.
T.C.:Oh, well, hey now. Don't don't be mean. They are these are You're gonna third you're
Jim:gonna third act introduce a whole bunch of new characters?
T.C.:No. Just use that de aging technology from the Marvel movies. You're eight. How do you know about that? I'm not stupid, dad.
T.C.:Think
Jim:Could we could we make that could that be a, like, a magical moment where we take all these older actors and de age them? De age them? Or or is that, like or is there something, like, unholy in doing that?
T.C.:I think you commit from it from the get go that you would just you would just immediately honestly, if you put a sheen, like a fairy tale sheen over everything, the cartoonish quality of that de aging is more forgiving. Man, Sam Jackson looked fantastic in Captain Marvel. So that technology is getting really good. Yeah. So, anyway, besides all that, the idea of recreating this, it not going well, letting the father son duo basically come up with a new direction for this movie, I think there's something to that.
T.C.:And I like that more than all of our Star Wars rip off ideas from everything we came up with for a true blue sequel
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Doesn't have to be Princess Bride. It could literally be any fantasy movie. It could be Star Dust two. Like, there's Yeah. There's not enough of
Jim:Princess Bride.
T.C.:Princess Bride,
Jim:which is Well, the right. The the core theme of princess bride is true love.
T.C.:Yeah. And and and I'm not saying
Jim:We we haven't really we haven't really cracked that.
T.C.:And I'm not saying that we need to. I'm saying that this just goes to to show how special this first movie is that Mhmm. If you were gonna try to remake a sequel and and do something with it, that the best you could hope for is something like Force Awakens where you just kinda retread all the same ground. I think your irreverence remake is a much better idea. The second best idea we have.
T.C.:And by we, I mean everyone because the best idea is the Muppets. But the second best idea
Jim:What if what if what if sorry. Dead air.
T.C.:It's okay. What if Gives people a
Jim:chance to,
T.C.:you know, clear their throat.
Jim:Yeah. They they've been dying. They've been dying to clear their throat. And that was Give us three seconds
T.C.:of silence so I can clear my throat. Thanks, guys.
Jim:Good radio. What if Wesley and Buttercup's child is kidnapped?
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:So now it's the mother and father have to go on an adventure to save their child.
T.C.:Okay. And Buttercup certainly has learned how to sort by the story.
Jim:True love is not between love. It's not romantic true love. It's paternal.
T.C.:Yeah. True love. I I I really like that. Some of the some of the the, better versions of love stories that have come out in the past, we'll say, six years, have been alternative love stories where it's not just boy meets girl, girl meets boy, whatever. It's something like Frozen, which is, you know, I I don't turn off the episode.
T.C.:I'll talk very, very briefly about Frozen. It's a story about the love between two sisters. Sure. So, yeah, I like the idea that that true love would be familial. Right?
T.C.:There there's something to that. Why is this character kidnapped? Who kidnapped them?
Jim:First thing comes to mind is Humperdinck. Humperdinck.
T.C.:Humperdinck. Stop saying that. Hey.
Jim:Right. For years, has been trying to find them Mhmm. Because Humber has we can come up with whatever backstory, but vengeance. Right?
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So Humberdink has kidnapped their child.
T.C.:Kid kidnapped the child and is gonna force her to marry his son.
Jim:Oh, sure.
T.C.:Yeah. There you go.
Jim:There you go.
T.C.:We got re retreading the plot line here, which forced marriage apparently is a thing in this kingdom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How archaic.
T.C.:Okay. Yeah. Kidnapping it. And and then you actually make Wesley and Buttercup the main characters. They're the ones who get to
Jim:go on the adventure. And they have to recruit their old friends.
T.C.:There you go. That that actually brings all four of the original main characters plus Humperdinck back as very clearly the main characters and the protagonists. And as a fourth idea here.
Jim:And and I think just to get it in there, Vazini didn't die.
T.C.:No. He
Jim:just You can't you can't defeat the
T.C.:the Sicilian. Defeat a Sicilian when death is on the line. So we get Wallace Sean back in?
Jim:So he comes back somehow. Oh, he's the mastermind. He's the one who figured it on. At the end, it it's revealed.
T.C.:He is the villain the
Jim:whole the one who went to Humpur Dade. He gave him gave him the idea. Yeah. We could even reveal that early. He basically, he could be the new six finger Yes.
T.C.:There you go. Yeah. He's the new real villain here.
Jim:Although, we're supposed to bring everyone back.
T.C.:Well, Christopher gets died.
Jim:Yeah. But we're supposed to bring everyone, which which, again, my irreverent sequel does.
T.C.:Your your irreverent sequel does work. Oh, that's a good question for the studio. We do we bring? They said everyone back. Did they mean the characters who died?
T.C.:So Vizini and Christopher Rubin.
Jim:His name? Rubin. Yeah. Ru Rugan. Count
T.C.:Rugan. Yeah. With six fingers.
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:A royal. Are we bringing back them as well? No. I I wouldn't I don't wanna bring Rugan back from the dead. He's defeated.
T.C.:He's gone.
Jim:Although I love Christianity. It gets more fantastical. I think I have a contrived plot device as to how he could.
T.C.:I mean, he did have a machine that steals life. He could
Jim:have a
T.C.:machine that
Jim:his albino assistant goes and the the machine steals life. It goes somewhere.
T.C.:Don't even think
Jim:about escape it. No one why why would he experiment with the with the other end of putting life into people? Mhmm.
T.C.:It did air.
Jim:Sorry. I'm thinking about, like Yeah. Sorry.
T.C.:That that is something sorry. That's this is complete nonsecular in terms of of the podcast itself. That is something we aren't really allowed to do that we would do if we were just having this conversation and not recording it. It's those moments of, like, thoughtful
Jim:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where we sit for, like, four or five minutes.
T.C.:And just and just absorb the ideas. Yeah. This is very much but you know what? What producers or studio in the world would let two people sit in front of them brainstorming and sit quietly for two minutes? I want your ideas now.
Jim:Not a single one. Yeah. You didn't come prepared? You gotta come prepared.
T.C.:Get out of here. Who do you think you are? Weiss and Benioff? I I get it. You're welcome.
T.C.:I get it. I get it.
Jim:That was a Game of Thrones reference Yes.
T.C.:For those
Jim:of you who didn't know.
T.C.:They knew.
Jim:Okay. Yeah. And I hope you understand why that Game of Thrones reference, because I'm not
T.C.:It's because I keep thinking about Star Wars.
Jim:Yeah. Star
T.C.:Wars. Okay. So now we have four ideas here. The Muppets one's still the best. I still think that's the best idea.
T.C.:But but you've come up with a a good second idea here that to to make a movie about true love, and it's the love of of parents for their child. You're you're kind of looking at something like, say, Moana. Moana is definitely this adventure about this the the want and desire of a modern protagonist that isn't I wanna find true love Oh. Get married, go far away and live happily ever after.
Jim:I just rethought of a thing.
T.C.:Yes. I like things.
Jim:So it goes back to the idea of Fred Savage telling the story. And then as they're going, they get to that that the point in the story where where the the the kid is upset with how it's going because the narrative is Yeah. Not fitting And so they start putting details in, and it does it does the the terrible third act at a kid type thing. But so the theme of true love of parental love kinda fits in here as well. Basically, the kid inserts a kid of his own because in the end, the story he wants to tell Mhmm.
Jim:Is a story of or he or she wants to tell is a story of of a kid and a parent. So then at the end, when our pair heads off into the sunset, they also have a child with them. Not Oh, okay. But, like, You got what I'm going for? I I told that real clumsy.
T.C.:No. That's fine. I I I I like we've we've kind of skirted around a lot of ideas here. I think the idea of of Fred Savage letting the kid insert ideas into this, I would do that much earlier in the story. That's a heck.
Jim:Sure. Oh, yeah. Let let let like gesture. It starts early, and then more and more, and by the end, the kid is telling Fred Savage's story.
T.C.:He's he's the one telling the story, which is great. Like, by the the last shot is Fred Savage is laying in the bed and the kid's on the chair. Good night, Dash. Here's something to consider. Let's let's look at the original for a moment because I there's an element of this movie that I don't think a lot of people have thought about.
T.C.:But the grandfather has shown up. Mhmm. And he says that he read this story to Fred Savage's dad when his dad was sick, and now he's gonna read it to him. Mhmm. And there's there's a lot of implications in that.
T.C.:Where is Fred Savage's dad? I think that the grandfather willing to come over like this to to be it's it's the father-in-law to the mother to come in and read the story to a kid who doesn't like him, who's obviously got a chip on his shoulder. There's there's a backstory in that that's never been really explored or dived into. Did dad pass away? Did dad I I think that's the most likely thing.
Jim:So you're not wrong, and those would be really interesting things to explore. The reason I never thought about them because is because as a kid I don't I don't know about you. I don't know about our our listeners.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:But growing up, my grandparents were involved in in my life Yeah. With my parents. So just because my dad wasn't there doesn't mean my grandparents couldn't have come and read me a story, for example. So that never that never occurred to me to think of, oh, the dad's not in the picture. Yeah.
Jim:No. He's just at work Mhmm. For for the day Yeah. Because It's the middle of the day.
T.C.:Which is the how I would have grown up as well. My grandparents were very involved in in my grow my my parents now are heavily involved in my niece's and nephew's life. So maybe that's a Midwestern thing. Maybe that's a cultural thing. I don't know.
T.C.:But in terms of a film, what is on screen, what is said Sure. Everything has a has a purpose. Nothing is arbitrary. I think there is something in making the assumption and then and then seeing where that that goes Sure. That Fred Savage is the kid's dad in the original Princess Bride is no longer in the picture, and I think that there is I think he may have passed away.
T.C.:Alright. Now we're getting a little more analytical and not exactly talking script here or whatnot, but the the exploration of death in Princess Bride that Wesley is killed and brought back for love. That there's Mhmm. There is a some of the best ways to explore go ahead.
Jim:No. I I just I find myself really, wanting to to reflexively kick against this idea. And what I thought is, well, the mom was also home because she'd let she let Fred know that her that his grandfather was coming. So she's not the breadwinner of
T.C.:the family.
Jim:Fred has a whole lot of stuff. Fair enough.
T.C.:Okay. Fine. I'll stop going down my No. No. No.
T.C.:No. You were going down a good
Jim:a good path. That's why that's why I just kind of laughed myself.
T.C.:You're such a jerk.
Jim:I am. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I was
T.C.:trying to get some
Jim:deep answers. I'm sorry I ruined your dramatic tragic That's exploration.
T.C.:That's fine. I I It's not worth exploring.
Jim:No. No.
T.C.:You you actually went out
Jim:of myself. Interesting the whole death and coming back and true love and
T.C.:Some of the
Jim:That was good.
T.C.:The best ways, at least from our childhood, I I feel, some of the best ways that death was explained to us was through something like Mufasa dying. Or if you wanna go back to when I was very little, when you were very little, when mister Hooper died and they did a special episode of Sesame Street, like Yep. Discussing death to children, the honestly, that sometimes the best way to do that, and granted I'm an uncle, I'm not a father Sure. Is to do it through story and to tell a story that death plays such a significant role to Sure. Your hero and dealing with that, to to and then to even go off death and just in life in general to set up disappointment.
T.C.:This story's not going the way I want. Well, do you want me to read the story? Do you want it to go the way you want it? Like, there's a lesson to be to be said there. Peter Fox's grandfather character isn't mean like that.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:But he does tell the kid. It's it's almost the equivalent of, do you wanna play this game of checkers, or do you just wanna win? Like, let's let's learn from this. So to yeah. This is tangential, and, yes,
Jim:there's Okay.
T.C.:There's some fun to kick back in this and be
Jim:like Yeah.
T.C.:Well, who's who who bought that video game system that he's playing RIB baseball on? Definitely not the mom that lazy so and so.
Jim:Really, what backs up what would back up your your story of of the father being gone
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Of really juicy life insurance payout.
T.C.:Oh, Mom killed him. I see where you're going. I wasn't going there, but this is
Jim:where we ended up. Wink.
T.C.:I gotcha. I gotcha. It's it's 2020. It's gonna be dark.
Jim:Why is life insurance only ever involved in murders? It's never for what it's actually for, which
T.C.:is for access person who's cashed in a life insurance policy and murder was in a situation. I'm sorry. This is very this is very offensive to Yeah. At least half our listeners. Yeah.
T.C.:Please take it for the the silliness that it's meant to be. I'm just saying Jim's right. The mom murdered. I'm agreeing with Jim is what I'm saying. Oh.
Jim:Oh, boy.
T.C.:Is he sick? Is he homesick from school?
Jim:I don't know. Well, when you started going that way, I I also thought when you said the grandfather read this to the father that it's a story that murders the listener.
T.C.:It's like the equivalent of the ring. He like, alright. Well, good story. You're gonna die in ten days. It's been a pleasure knowing you.
Jim:I don't know why I tell this to all of my my kin.
T.C.:And luckily, I I have, like, three more. He's like, it's like okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
T.C.:Cramp, will you come back tomorrow and and maybe read it to me again? Oh, you'll be dead this week.
Jim:Yeah. Okay. I'm coming back. This episode took a dark turn.
T.C.:You know, it opened with me being so, like, belligerent to screenwriters and Hollywood in general. It was bound to swing back around. This is no Ace Ventura three episode where I was a dick the whole time.
Jim:Oh, I forgot about that.
T.C.:I was so mean. What was
Jim:wrong with that? You you hate butt talking. I'd like to ask
T.C.:you a few questions. Princess Bride is such a a a great film. It is great still to this day. Maybe the Mark Knopfler synthesizer score isn't the best. Maybe the the sets and the I I mean, are there visual effects are very cardboard?
T.C.:I I feel like the movie stands the test of time in the same fashion as something like back to the future or
Jim:Honestly, I I feel like all of those things add to it because that's that's the fictional world that's being told. The the real world, the the bedroom
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Stays realistic, and so the painted backdrops feel like Appropriate. Like, yeah, like like a pictorial in a in a novel. Yeah. I I
T.C.:the if if anything if they wanna do anything, I would say do a a full cleanup of the film cells itself. Do a full restoration.
Jim:Remaster it?
T.C.:Remaster it. I I I think the color correction on it could be better. Like, get in there and really make the reds red and the blues blues and really make it pop. And then just rerelease it to theaters. At at why why go to the trouble of remaking this Disney and Oh.
T.C.:Making another billion dollars?
Jim:I believe I believe a billion I believe they have a billion reasons.
T.C.:Okay. Well, okay. I got you there. But you can
Jim:So I think we have a a handful of of workable ideas. Mhmm. I have a couple that I favor. And do you have a couple you favor?
T.C.:The Muppets. So
Jim:as as lovely as that one is, that one doesn't actually meet our studio today.
T.C.:Alright. Alright.
Jim:What Of the others, are there any you are willing to back?
T.C.:I I I do think there's the probably what the studio asked us, what the Aranda family studio asked us in terms of bringing doing a sequel with the original cast. I think the the last idea you had about the child being kidnapped by Humperdinck, the heroes getting back together for a new adventure to go rescue. I think that's even even going so far as if Humperdinck sticks sticks them on a boat and tries to sail to another land
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:We get pirate waters, whatnot. That, I think, satisfies what they're asking for in terms of the main characters are the main characters again.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And it's just 30 or maybe not if we de age them. I think that's exploration of love beyond the fairy tale, Once Upon a Time, They Lived Happily Ever After, Love's True Kiss Mhmm. Exploration of love as if as parents to their children. And I I think that's better also because the people who would be telling this story are now the adults that saw the original as kids who very likely would have children and they may be grandchildren now. And and the idea of once upon a time, happy, whatever, after love's true kiss love is no longer something millennials are thinking about.
T.C.:And I say millennials and that millennials are 30 years old. That's just math. And so the exploration of of of paternal and maternal love is is great.
Jim:Still have a bit of of the that that romantic true love with Wesley and Buttercup adventuring together.
T.C.:To to see them have zero, like, don't break them up and have them come back together. I'm I'm gonna go to a deep dig here. Sure. The sequel to the mask of Zoro with Antonio Banderas and captain Zeta Jones, Anthony Hopkins. There was a sequel.
T.C.:The mark of Zoro, which they had a little kid because you always had a
Jim:kid in
T.C.:the second
Jim:one. Yeah.
T.C.:And that whole
Jim:We did too.
T.C.:The whole plot of that second one is that they break up, and then they have to come back together in the end. And it and it seems to be this a a bit of a cliche that you take Pam and Jim, you go tell the story too long, you gotta break them up to try to get them back together again. Yeah. I don't I don't want that. I love the idea
Jim:of Let's tell the story of a solid relationship.
T.C.:Yeah. They they certainly have their disagreements like any relationship would have. They certainly have their little tiffs or whatnot, but I love the idea that they are Gomez and Morticia. They freaking love each other, and nothing could tear them apart. Yeah.
T.C.:Even to the point of it's silly. Like, Humperdinck trying to drive a wedge between them and just it just doesn't work. They are bulletproof. I think that exploration of of old school fairy tale love is there could be a lot of fun to be had there.
Jim:Yeah. I agree.
T.C.:Yeah. And and that the the love and the conflict comes in, if you wanna go into a hook direction and and the kid maybe not wanting to be saved, maybe didn't wanna leave the farm, has now left the fire swamp, and is actually, wow. There's a great big world out here. So even after they save their child, the child says, thank you for saving me. I I love you both.
T.C.:Thank you for loving me enough to do this, but I kinda wanna stay out here in the world and see what else is out here for me. And then they have to let go.
Jim:Okay. What if and and this might undermine everything too much, but I'll throw I'm gonna throw a what if at you. Ugh. What if
T.C.:I'm ready.
Jim:The kidnapped kid in while while in bondage. That that's probably not the word I
T.C.:should be using. In a weird way.
Jim:Not not in a weird way. While while being while being taken
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And and forced into this marriage with Humperdinck's kid.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:What if they actually fall in love? And so then when the parents show up to rescue them, they're like, no. No. It's I'm all I'm all good.
T.C.:Oh, okay. I think we can blend the two ideas, what I just said in terms of, like, thank you for rescuing me.
Jim:But it
T.C.:it but that
Jim:despite being what Humperdinck wanted, still needs to somehow undermine him because screw that guy.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, I I it it could be the Humperdink is the villain. He's the one forcing us all upon, the new child and his child. And his child is only going along with it and is just going through the motions. And you have a b plot of the child of Buttercup and Wesley Mhmm.
T.C.:Befriending oh, man. This is really drawing for my princess knight.
Jim:Oh, yeah.
T.C.:Befriending the
Jim:We don't wanna do that.
T.C.:The the betrothed. And the betrothed is like, I I don't really wanna do this. I would love to explore. I don't wanna be king or queen. I don't wanna lead a kingdom.
T.C.:So then then the the parents having to let go. If if Buttercup and Wesley rescue their their child and the child's like, I love you. Thank you for doing this. I don't wanna go back to the Fire Swamp. I have this whole great big world to explore, and I wanna explore it with my new friend Mhmm.
T.C.:And see what's out there for both of us. And then you have your final, one more battle beyond that where Humperdinck is like, no. You are going to rule this kingdom like me, and you I attack. And then big fight scene where Sure. A child of Buttercup and, and Humperdink are now teamed up with Wesley and Buttercup to stop Humperdink and whoever our Sure.
T.C.:Six finger man equivalent is. And I'm I'm liking Vazini coming back to the war and war.
Jim:It's it's silly, but
T.C.:Having Vazini and Rogan come back from the dead. Like, Rogan back from the dead, Vazini didn't die.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:I it just made me really old. You all look terrible.
Jim:Just because well well well, I should You all look
T.C.:at least 30 years older.
Jim:Yeah. Right. Him him and as many things as possible.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, it's Sean all the way.
Jim:Yeah. And and at some point, we can we can shove in Dread Pirate Roberts showing up because Inigo and Fezic went to to recruit them to help. Yeah. So when our our group of four four or five or or whatever are are surrounded by the enemy, Dread Pirate Roberts comes and
T.C.:rescues him.
Jim:Once again
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I I was just gonna tack on since we are exploring all all these new versions of love. Mhmm. And the original explored these a little bit as well. Just retouching on. Just just wanted to to highlight the notion of other things like brotherly love type thing, like, between Inigo and Fezzik.
T.C.:Oh, Fezzik, for sure. I I would I would even and we would not be the ones to write this element of the story, but the implication that they are more than friends.
Jim:Right? I was not gonna go there.
T.C.:Yeah. But you're saying brotherly love.
Jim:Really wanna play up the the the notion of friendship in movies. I think friendship is lost. Every everyone it's always about romance.
T.C.:Oh, sir. Certainly. Certainly. I've I've been yes. Have Patricia State.
Jim:Make some friends.
T.C.:Yeah. That they are
Jim:just If if you wanna go because You know what? I'll be able to bring you community. More representation that way is also good.
T.C.:We'll let them claim it. We will write them we will write them as brotherly love. And if they want to imply Ernie and Bert's situation, that is completely their prerogative. We will we will not say yes or
Jim:no to We we have said that, oh, they've been living together now for years. So
T.C.:I think there's something to you know what Disney did in The Lion King? Because there's a the Timon and Pumbaa, there is the implication. The the LGBTQ community has embraced them as as at least their cartoon equivalents as representation. They snuck in a baby puma at the end of the new wine king as if to be like, just to be clear, puma has a lady puma, and they had little piglets. Just to be clear.
T.C.:And I think that's BS. That is such that is cowardly of them, and and the end. Again, we're not the ones to talk about this subject, but I do like the idea of exploring brotherly love with those two and, and and a platonic relationship
Jim:developing platonic. I couldn't think of Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Between the child of Buttercup and Wesley and the the the heir to Humberdingstone that they would develop a
Jim:Oh, see. I I was I was initially suggesting romance there.
T.C.:I I'm suggesting no. I'm suggesting that they they Sure. They are gonna go explore the world together in the end, and hand in hand walk off into the sunset in the end, that Wesley and Buttercup have to accept that, they have to let their they love their child, but it's you know, if you love something, you gotta let it go.
Jim:And and feuds shouldn't be passed down to your children.
T.C.:Yeah. I I wow. There's a great message in that. There's a great there's that is great. And then eve oh, man.
T.C.:I'll swing this back around to the whole overarching story.
Jim:Here we go.
T.C.:That kid is not home sick from school. He's faking being sick because there's a bully.
Jim:Oh, dang. Oh.
T.C.:Just a little little little tiny subplot there that he's he's or or he's homesick or the kid's homesick. It could be a girl. Who cares?
Jim:Oh, I do realize we need to modify. We came real close, actually, with this last one. We we gotta modify one thing.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:The title needs to be relevant.
T.C.:Oh, you're right. My goodness.
Jim:So we're we're super close. We have we have A forced marriage. Daughter is the princess, and she is going to be made the bride.
T.C.:Right. So then Buttercup and Wesley's child is male Yes. Is what you're saying.
Jim:Oh. Oh, and the reason the reason they become friends because the the American notion of romance anyway, I'm gonna throw this other she is actually in love with the current dread pirate Roberts. Oh. But obviously can't tell her father that. So then we have a yeah.
Jim:Could she Does that work? Is okay. Is that too much?
T.C.:No. No. There's something there.
Jim:Could she throwing in the romance? Is it like like No.
T.C.:No. The I think there's something
Jim:too cliche?
T.C.:Especially if we play them, you know, early twenties, late late teens, somewhere in there. Sure. That's Humperdinx, if we're going daughter, if the princess bride in this is Humperdinx kid, kid, which I think is a great idea Mhmm. It makes the title point here. She is into the Dread Pirate Roberts because of the stories she's read.
T.C.:She's never met the guy. She doesn't know anything about the Dread Pirate Roberts other than what the the stories. So her infatuation is like, like people get infatuated with celebrities. Well, like characters on TV shows. Her her infatuation isn't love.
T.C.:She could say, like, oh, I love the Dread Pirate Roberts. And then the understanding that that that's not real love. That is infatuation. You're just you like the idea of this fantasy character. And there's there's a there's a little bit of a subtext to explore in that element of what people would call love, quote, unquote.
T.C.:You see what I'm saying?
Jim:I do. I I I see several angles. Yeah.
T.C.:I mean, if you wanna get even more progressive here, if dread pirates the new dread pirate Roberts is a girl, then then you have some real fun to be had there. Be like, oh, I'm still into you. I still love the Dread Pirate Roberts, miss. But don't don't talk to me. There there could be something there, but Yeah.
T.C.:That's more more
Jim:More more ideas to work with here.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. I think that okay. We're on to something.
Jim:I we have yeah. I I I
T.C.:think We have an ending. We have we have an arc. I don't know if you liked all my ideas in terms of
Jim:I don't know if you liked all my ideas.
T.C.:I love all your ideas too.
Jim:Well, now I feel bad that I don't like your
T.C.:This is love. That's what I'm saying. It's We did it. I have an infatuation with your ideas.
Jim:We theme ception ed the episode. Yes.
T.C.:Alright. Well, I I think if if the studio said go with this, we have enough of a setup. We have enough of a more or less a conclusion. We have some through lines. We have some themes that obviously, the middle is the the fuzzy area.
T.C.:We don't have a a clear idea of exactly how to get from point
Jim:to what adventures they have. We can we can make up some new, mild fantastical settings and and new creatures for them to encounter.
T.C.:Yeah. But if the studio said, there it is. You got it. You go with this. I'd be I'd be excited to write this one.
T.C.:The Muppet one writes itself. Mhmm. The other ideas we came up with were fun. I think this is the one that
Jim:I think so. That That and that fulfills the the criteria.
T.C.:And doesn't tick me off. Like, if if if in the grand scheme of things,
Jim:this would be trailer for this Yeah. I'd probably still roll my eyes. But I go see it, and I would be pleasantly surprised.
T.C.:Yeah. If if, if it was if it was done with hearts and if it was done with, respect Mhmm. In in in honoring the original, as as funny as Deadpool two, once upon a Deadpool is, it's very annoying. It's not annoying because I thought of it first. Don't judge me.
T.C.:It's it's I it's a bit much. I don't
Jim:Do they really do they really because I didn't see it because I saw the r rated version of Deadpool. So do they really lean into that? Yes. It's not just it's not just a once in a while They bit that they use to justify an edited version of it?
T.C.:They do as many callbacks. They do as many winks and nods to Princess Bride as they can cram into. It's really as you're just watching Deadpool without the curse words. And every time there's something that would be rated R, they cut back to the bedroom.
Jim:Yada yada yada. Okay. I
T.C.:I think I wouldn't roll I would maybe roll my eyes at seeing a princess bride to announce. But if they did it with reverence and respect, I think that, I'd I'd be all for it. And if the studio said, Jim, T.C, write this. Yeah. Okay.
T.C.:You got it.
Jim:Yep. The Internet's gonna hate us. Let's go.
T.C.:So I ask the studio that demanded, have we met your criteria? You guy you have to let us know. And I'd like to ask the listeners what you all thought. Yes. Obviously, our Muppet conversation was a good chunk of this episode, but gosh darn it, it was fun.
T.C.:It really was. And that's that's the one I
Jim:would want. Maybe we'll just do that from now on, the first half of every episode.
T.C.:Just do a Muppet version.
Jim:How will we do a Muppet version?
T.C.:How would the Muppets do it, The Expendables? Let's discuss. Kermit is Schwarzenegger. But I I think that's I think that does it for the episode.
Jim:I I think so.
T.C.:I even the computer agrees. I I love to know if we've met the demands. I'd like to know what you have things, so please hit us up. Agree or disagree. If we missed something, if we were on the right track for something that you wish we would have explored further, please let us know.
T.C.:So any final thoughts on things before we wrap it up here, Jim?
Jim:We didn't find a place to put in Miracle Max.
T.C.:Oh. So so someone's gotta
Jim:Do they show up as Billy Crystal and because he looks like, without the makeup, but because he looks younger than he did, the miracle Max did was he basically reversed his age.
T.C.:It's a vegan diet. The the idea that death would have to be explored as much as true love would be explored. Oh, boy. I don't know. What do we kill off the character and have to have him bring him back?
T.C.:Do they go to Max for some sort of remedy? That's a tough one. Like I'd to throw that to listeners. Where how does Mance fit into the final plot we've we've constructed here? Does he work for Humperdinck?
T.C.:Is he still mad at Humperdinck? Yeah. He's Oh.
Jim:We're Oh.
T.C.:Oh. Oh. Sorry.
Jim:Oh. It's just a fun reference. The the the final army that that confronts our our group that that we think is gonna do them in is the brute squad. You are the brute squad.
T.C.:So I'll I'll throw that to the to the listeners if they think there's a spot for Miracle Max and and his witchy wife. Let us know. Because we can get those two to come back and reprise their roles because they would hardly have to
Jim:have any makeup put on.
T.C.:Yeah. Aw. Aw. I love them both. Not true.
T.C.:I really I can I can tolerate Billy Crystal? I love Carol Kane.
Jim:Let's do the social. Put I'm glad that qualifier in there.
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T.C.:Jim, is that it for this episode?
Jim:That is it for this episode.
T.C.:They lived happily ever. We'll be back again soon with another challenge
Jim:to improve the world
T.C.:of cinema. I am T.C.
Jim:I am Jim. And the studio demanded it.
T.C.:And we did it. It demanded
Jim:the studio? Is
T.C.:the end of the episode.
Jim:Episode over. Music is playing as on. Somebody.