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T.C.:Hello, and welcome to The Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. We talk movies all the time. In particular, we complain about the choices made in films that we have seen. And, of course, as any good nerd does, we automatically assume that we could do better even with the demands and restrictions that clearly must have been placed on a production. Hello.
T.C.:Once again, I am T. C. De Witt, and joining me as always is Jim. What's your favorite song, Burzelic?
Jim:I'm I I actually don't know right now. I'm I'm working on that.
T.C.:You're work it's such a simple what what do you mean you're working at it?
Jim:So I'm not sure what my favorite song is, so I have constructed a spreadsheet, and I'm working on a elimination bracket style tournament This is between all of the songs I have on spot I've saved on Spotify to to determine which is my favorite song.
T.C.:This is pure insanity. Like I you you say that. I'm like, oh, that's kinda fun. How many songs? I need you know what?
T.C.:Don't tell me how many. Just start listing them. How many songs how many songs on this list?
Jim:There are 2,076. We're
T.C.:trying to narrow down. 2,000 I
Jim:actually I've added a few more to the the list, but I didn't put them into the actual tournament. So they're gonna have to wait for season two.
T.C.:Two. I can't believe this. This is amazing. I I said this is so all started so off Mike, obviously, I I I I was already prompted on this this ad lib right here, but the I had said I I love making lists. I'm working on a my own little Excel sheet right now for the hell of it now.
T.C.:I love making lists, and Jim's like
Jim:Me too.
T.C.:And then I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. And then he brings up this insanity of this. Yeah. What's your someone asked you what your favorite song is and you turned it into a Yeah.
T.C.:I had to find out. Homework assignments. You asked me I do science because I can I I don't I hate it? I hate it.
Jim:Well, this week, my favorite song is this.
T.C.:Like, I can't
Jim:And then because almost every time, then someone goes, oh, but what about this song?
T.C.:Shake It Off by Taylor Swift. I love that song. I knew it.
Jim:I love that song. Do I love that song more? I don't know. Is there a song I love more than that one?
T.C.:I I had to find out.
Jim:So I started I started making spreadsheet, and it turns out one spreadsheet isn't enough.
T.C.:Because? Because I just want people to know your shame. Why why was one spreadsheet not enough?
Jim:Because it turns out, at least Google Sheets, perhaps Excel is better, but Google Sheets has a limit of 5,000,000 cells for a workbook.
T.C.:And you you used you went over that.
Jim:I couldn't go over it.
T.C.:I mean, you
Jim:I I needed to go over it.
T.C.:You needed more space. Yeah. So 5,000,000 Yeah. With an illion.
Jim:It's not as much as you think. 2,000 rows by 2,000 columns takes up a lot of cells.
T.C.:You are not wrong.
Jim:And I couldn't get more than that, and I needed more than that. What's my favorite song?
T.C.:So Monkey Wrench, Foo Fighters. Oh, that's That was easy.
Jim:That was that was really easy.
T.C.:Because I didn't need a spreadsheet.
Jim:No. What about what about Hero by Foo Fighters?
T.C.:I do like that song, but not as much as Monkey Wrench.
Jim:Alright. I guess you got it down.
T.C.:Jacob Slater, Huey Lewis and the News. Yeah.
Jim:So now the the the project consists of 27 spreadsheets. No. I'm sorry. 28. There's there's glorious.
Jim:One original one that the bones the bones of of the original.
T.C.:The remnants of your the carcass of your first,
Jim:like pulled stuff from.
T.C.:So would you like to announce a new podcast where you just talk about your favorite songs in this tournament style?
Jim:I mean, I could. I don't know if anyone would be interested in The
T.C.:Studio Demands. Is there a studio out there that demands that Jim start a solo podcast where he just talks himself through his spreadsheet?
Jim:Well, because it it it takes a while because I'll have pairings where I can't decide, so I just have those two songs on loop. What I did is so in Spotify in Spotify, I have four, five five different lit what what do call playlists
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:To keep track of all this. Have so I I'm calling it the music gauntlet. Mhmm. So I have music gauntlet, and that Great name for
T.C.:the show. That's all I'm saying.
Jim:Is the list I take songs from and drop them into the other lists as as I do things. And then I have a music gauntlet winners. Mhmm. So the winners go into that one, I can just take that list at the end of the round, drop them back into the the music gauntlet list, and do it again. I have a music gauntlet losers, just in case I need to reference them again for whatever reason.
Jim:Mhmm. I have a music gauntlet master list that I don't modify. It's just case I mess songs. Yeah. In case I mess anything up.
Jim:Mhmm. And then the list that I'm constantly changing, I call cage match, and that's where only two songs ever go into.
T.C.:Two songs enter, one song leaves?
Jim:Yeah. Well, two songs leave, but one goes to winners, one goes
T.C.:No. I was trying to reference a film.
Jim:No. I know. But it's it's not as catchy. Two songs enter, two songs leave, but each goes to their own category.
T.C.:We're not great at chance.
Jim:So, yeah, not my shame. I'm I'm actually strangely proud of this.
T.C.:Alright.
T.C.:Okay. I I I would love to do a tournament style show with you that well, I mean
Jim:Do you have a turn what what would we discuss, T. C? What type of tournament I would we discuss?
T.C.:I we have previously discussed on another podcast that I was a part of, the Top Shelf Disney Animation Studios podcast. You filled in for a couple episodes when Jeff was on vacation where I had created a tournament of Disney magic users
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:That I would love to go back with with you, and maybe we should return to that one day. Because we never did the third round. We never did a third final tournament because we did it midway through the entire run of the library. We added a few more magic users for when we did it the second time. We we completed the library of films.
T.C.:So there's a whole handful of magic users that never got a face off that Sure. So speaking of such things,
Jim:that that was a that was a great
T.C.:little segue. So why don't we jump into the to to today's episode, and we'll we'll discuss our future podcast another time. Disney Wizards. Disney Wizards.
Jim:That that was the reference. Right?
T.C.:That was that was the reference. So where do we begin on this show? Or we don't exactly talk about movies or music unless we are demanded to do so or tournaments unless we are demanded to do so. We do have we should do it over the top remake.
Jim:We should do a Bloodsport remake.
T.C.:Bloodsport meets over the top.
Jim:We should do Which is
T.C.:the arm wrestling Stallone movie where he just turns his hat
Jim:around like a boss. And the and the Bolo young vehicle.
T.C.:That's right. Bloodsport. Bloods Bloodsport over the top. Spover the Spover the anyway, what are we doing here? We have our piles of, our ridiculous pile of studio demands.
T.C.:We have been receiving demands from you wonderful listeners out there who've head over who've gone over to studiodemandsit.com, where you too can make demands of us as ridiculous as you want. Challenge us because we have a fun challenge today. You get to name your studio. You get to create your stipulations, and, we will do our best to check them off the list as we go about. Our last episode was Haunted Mansion, and Yep.
T.C.:We've had some other listener demands. And today, we are is no exception. We have a demand, and we've prepared for this one again. So much like with Haunted Mansion, neither of us had seen it. So Yes.
T.C.:We decided to be good studio drones Yep. And see the source material. We we have a new one today. So let me let me just let me just say what we got here. So this comes from Roberts and Lepus or Lepus Studios.
Jim:Lepus. Lepus is the Latin word for rabbit. Oh. Really? Night of the Lepus.
T.C.:I did not know this.
Jim:It's a movie. You're the smart one. It's about giant rabbits. They kill them. Sort of.
T.C.:You're aware of it.
Jim:I had a concussion while it was on, so I have dream memories of it as my friend's mom tried to keep me from falling asleep.
T.C.:The night of the Lepus gave you a concussion?
Jim:You know what? That's a better story. Yeah. That's what we're going with.
T.C.:So from Robert and Lepus Studios, the studio demands FaceOff two starring Nicolas Cage and John Travolta. See so here's the thing. We had we had seen FaceOff. We had come through and we're like, we should watch FaceOff because you'd never seen it, and I hadn't seen it since it came out. Mhmm.
T.C.:And so we were working I didn't fully read this demand because I never I never wanna start the wheel turning this if I can prevent it. So we watched FaceOff last week. We did. And you had never seen it. I was refreshed on this.
T.C.:And I was working under the mentality of, like, how are we gonna reboot this? How are we gonna remake this? Lo and behold, they've literally just announced that they're gonna make a new FaceOff. Yep. So we are we are right in the we're we got
Jim:Sort of. This is gonna be a reboot, though. Right? Like, whole new actors and
T.C.:That's what that's what is actually happening. Okay. So I was thinking about that as we watched the movie. Robert here has told us to make FaceOff two starring these two. So let's let's just discuss let's just discuss FaceOff itself.
T.C.:You've never seen it before. I this is one of my
Jim:favorite FaceOff two face forward?
T.C.:Two face, two furious? No. No. Face The face and the furious. Face but you know how it has the the slash in the middle for face slash off?
T.C.:Yeah. It's it's two slashes.
Jim:Where's the other oh, it's just in
T.C.:the It's face slash slash Face two off. Face two off. Watching this with you was so much fun. I I wish we had recorded us. What and what did you think of FaceTime?
Jim:I can barely remember it. It was so long ago. It sure it reminded me a lot of the nineties. Oh, yeah. But but not in a way that I like.
Jim:So as an example, the movie Captain Marvel was full of nineties nostalgia and just the whole run of the movie. Was like, yeah.
T.C.:The nineties. It was a great time to be alive. Yeah.
Jim:And then this movie is actually from the nineties, and it felt it like like it it pulled me back to the nineties in not a nostalgic way.
T.C.:Like a, ugh.
Jim:Like, when
T.C.:This was We liked these things. This was an edgy, badass action movie. This was the first r rated movie I got into where I wasn't carted. Like, I bought the ticket all nervous. Like, I was a freshman.
T.C.:Mean, can I see one one for Visa? And then I got was like, oh my god. I didn't carve and I thought it was, oh, so dangerous. I'm watching this this r rated action movie. Why why was it r rated?
T.C.:Now, like, that was PG 13 by today's answers. Maybe language? Because that wasn't blood.
Jim:So it it would have to be that. Right?
T.C.:It was it was Right.
Jim:Because the most blood we got was a reflection of his faceless face.
T.C.:Nick Nick Cage in the glasses.
Jim:Yeah. But, like, it was warped. Like, you like, it was really you couldn't there was, like is that that's a little bit of red there.
T.C.:Like, oh, he's he probably didn't
Jim:have a face.
T.C.:I've been quoting the movie since. Yeah. The the quote that I've been doing the most, bam. There's this there's this shot where it's Travolta it's Nick Cage now in Travolta so Travolta, but it's Nick Cage. Yeah.
T.C.:Travolta, John Travolta, playing this is really hard to how are we gonna see it? He looks at his those are air quotes, wife's ass as she walks by. Yeah. Total nineties mom jeans, like, not like No. It's a power suit.
T.C.:It's it was just not like
Jim:Oh, yeah. Wasn't It was just a butt. She was not she was not thick with two c's.
T.C.:Oh. Thick. But he looks at her, and there's a bass drop. Yeah. And and I I saw it.
T.C.:Okay. You keep talking about it because I have so many things to say about it.
Jim:So, yeah, I mean, it it sure was a movie that like, you watch it now and you're like, yeah, that's some that's some prime Travolta and Like, Nick there's there's like like where their careers are now that resembles it. It's it's weird. It's weird that it was like it's like, yeah. Yeah. This totally makes sense.
Jim:But I I know at that time, they were both pretty pretty big commodities.
T.C.:Off of Pulp Fiction. Mhmm. It was I think Cage was just off his Oscar win, like, at least a few years removed. Like, they were they were hot. I I said well, there's two observations.
T.C.:There's many observations, but I had said, do you think this was written for Stallone and Schwarzenegger? Do you think that this movie was intended for the two of those guys to be in it? And you at first, you said no, but then by the time we saw them shirtless and laying slab to slab, head to head with their faces about to come
Jim:off. Off.
T.C.:You were like, no. I think this might have been for Stallone and Schwartzenegger, which would have been better. Yeah. Come on. It would have been better.
T.C.:Think we're talking.
Jim:No. No. No. No. Okay.
Jim:Here. Imagine Stallone doing a Schwarzenegger.
T.C.:Oh, wow. Oh, Not the voice, but
Jim:They would yeah. But there there was a part, like, they need to act like each other. Oh
T.C.:my god. I mean, just
Jim:So which one of them is the crazy criminal and which one Stallone
T.C.:played the straight laced guy in Tango and Cash, so he would have been Travolta. And no. Who would have been the crazy one? Stallone has played more who would have been the you know what? Nick Cage and Travolta is.
T.C.:You're right. You're right. I I but you made a great observation that it's John Woo. And I think it was this no. He'd done Broken Arrow before this.
T.C.:So this is one early American John Woo. And you had observed that this probably would be a perfectly legitimately excusable film if it were in Mandarin. Yeah. Yeah. And and you're
Jim:I was like, because he made the killer. I love the killer. Mhmm. He made hard boiled. I love hard boiled.
Jim:And watching FaceOff, I was like, these antics are honestly on par with the things that happened in those movies.
T.C.:But hearing it in English
Jim:with these actors. Then is it a question
T.C.:of like, wait. If Hard Boiled was exactly the script that was filmed exactly the way it was, but we could understand what they were saying, would it be this dumb? No. Surely not. No.
T.C.:Well, I'll I'll tell
Jim:Chow Yun fat is pretty great.
T.C.:He is great.
Jim:Yeah. Per perhaps the the the actor does change the the the the way the entire thing comes across.
T.C.:May maybe. I don't know. Well well, here here's what I've decided after rewatching FaceOff. And and knowing that Travolta has just recently, in this year, come out with Fanatic, which is arguably the worst movie he's ever made in his career. Uh-huh.
T.C.:I think Travolta sucks. I honestly think when it comes down to it, he's great in Grease. His best role is Pulp Fiction, and that's it.
Jim:So I haven't there there are a couple movies I can think of that I believe he may have been good in, but I haven't seen, so I can't back that up.
T.C.:So then you agree with me.
Jim:He was in was it was it Mike? Was it Michael?
T.C.:Michael? Yep.
Jim:He wasn't in Phenomenon.
T.C.:Yes. He was. Yes.
Jim:He was. Was also in that. Were he also played an angel?
T.C.:He played an angel.
Jim:No. No.
T.C.:In in Michael, he is
Jim:back to back?
T.C.:No. No. In Michael, he is an angel Yeah. Like, on Earth, and then Yeah. And some newspaper reporters, I believe, follow him around the country and whatever.
T.C.:Yeah. In Phenomena, he's a man who has a brain tumor that gives him mental ability, like telekinesis, telepathy. And it's a it's a romantic one. Actually, just thinking about it now, it feels like a Mel Gibson film that he said no to that Travolta then picked up. It has that forever young sort of Okay.
T.C.:Sure. Forever young written by JJ Abrams.
Jim:All I all I think of is the Rod Stewart song.
T.C.:Forever young.
Jim:Just just him and his kid in the back of a pickup truck going down the country road. That's the the v h one v h one video is all I remember
T.C.:for the
Jim:phrase forever young.
T.C.:Well, remembered. How do we get on forever young? Michael phenomena face off.
Jim:So so I I just I don't wanna write off John Travolta yet. I'm not I'm not ready. I I just I think because I think, like, what he was in a movie called White Man's Burden that I feel like Yep.
T.C.:That's right.
Jim:Thought was wasn't that good? Wasn't that well received?
T.C.:I'm familiar with the film. I have not seen it. But just thinking of, like, be cool and and phenomena and Michael and having watched many reviews on fanatics fanatic tearing into that film. Yeah. Basic, The General's Daughter.
T.C.:I'm thinking of all these Travolta movies that I'm sort of like usual suspects in where I'm like thinking back and going, oh my god. They weren't good. Travolta sucks. Yeah. So I I you know, maybe I'm being too hard on him.
T.C.:Maybe I'm just hating to hate. I don't think I am. I actually think I I I just don't think he's very good. So I want someone to defend him.
Jim:Yeah. I have a theory. It can't really be tested. I have a feeling oh, no. Actually, you could probably back up.
Jim:I didn't I didn't watch it. I didn't watch the the thing recently. It was the OJ Simpson trial.
T.C.:He was nominated for Golden Globes and Emmys for that.
Jim:Maybe that backs it up. I didn't watch that either. Perhaps he's actually good as like a supporting character.
T.C.:That might be there. Given the hands of right director like Tarantino.
Jim:Yeah. But he he just he takes too big of roles.
T.C.:Right?
Jim:I don't wanna say he's too big of a star or he thinks himself too big of a star or he's just reaching too too much. Yeah. But it just I I I He's just
T.C.:chewing scenery in this. Like, before he becomes Nicolas Cage, he's already a little bit over the top. Yeah. And I and I and I think it's because Nick Cage is full Nick Cage in this. Like, there's an anecdote of his first dance set is when he's dressed as the priest and he comes into the church while the the the teenage choir is singing, hallelujah.
T.C.:And he just does like he stops. He slaps his knees and he does a little twerking and head banging. And he goes up behind the girl in the choir and he's like, oh. And he like grabs her butt. And there's an anecdote of John Woo going, seeing that and going, oh, so that's the kind of movie we're gonna make.
T.C.:Like, those are all Cage choices. But here's the thing. Watching Nick Cage in this film, he is a much better actor than John Travolta, which makes me think John Travolta isn't as good. Think Nick Cage is nuts. I think he makes some really wild choices.
T.C.:I mean, he's a joke. Right? But I think he's actually quite capable. His his balance of playing both those characters is two completely different performances. Whereas Travolta is just Travolta.
T.C.:And I and I know it's weird to sit here and praise Nick Cage for his performance in FaceOff, but I think he proves his range in FaceOff.
Jim:Well, be because he just plays them so extreme? Yeah. I guess. I I get because because I I did feel there was a difference with Travolta. There was a difference between his actual stoic cop character.
Jim:And then when he was Nick Cage, Nick Cage, the Nick Cage guy was he was just a little more loose and he was always he was very smarmy, and I'm I'm the bad guy getting away with it.
T.C.:Woo woo. Well, all that said, this this is our our full demand from Robert and and and Lippis Studio.
Jim:Lippis Studios.
T.C.:FaceOff two, starring Nick Cage, which spoiler, sorry to if you know, for this twenty plus year old movie, he dies Yeah. At the end the movie. And John Travolta as a direct sequel of the original with a cameo from Sean Connery and major subplot in Shanghai. This is one of the most specific demands we have ever gotten. It is.
T.C.:And I love it. Thank you, Robert, for this.
Jim:So I I well, of course, do we need is it now? We need to make it now? It's a sequel that
T.C.:happens now. True.
Jim:That's So That is fair. When we just we just get Sean Connery out of retirement Mhmm. In his very Elderly. Old, adult Yeah. State?
Jim:If if so, I'll do it. I'll do it by god.
T.C.:Okay. I there's no specific specificity of if it's we're supposed to make this for 2020 or if this is, you know, early late nineties, early two thousands or like, let's make a sequel. Mhmm. I I think we'd be better off setting it ten years ago, fifteen years ago, so that we can account for the age of Sean Connery. But let's let's let's tackle it now.
T.C.:Okay? Okay. I have not given this any thought. This is I just looked at this full demand today and was like, wait. What?
T.C.:Why Sean Cotterrey in this? So I don't
Jim:know because he's awesome.
T.C.:I don't know if your wheels are turning, but I immediately have the kickoff of the plot, like, right near
Jim:the spot. I have I have something. I I need to remember a bit. So I if I remember right, Nicholas Cage's character is dead at the end of the first one. Correct.
Jim:But he's not dead in such a way that, you know, a couple clever screenwriters couldn't revive him.
T.C.:Couple clever screenwriters like ourselves?
Jim:Oh, no. No. Much more clever. Oh, okay. Okay.
Jim:Remind me how he died again. Was Boat fight.
T.C.:Harpooned to the chest.
Jim:Harpooned to the chest.
T.C.:And he where he cut he cut Travolta's face. He's like, you're gonna get your face back, but it's gonna be and then he gets harpooned to the chest, stuck to the side of the boat, and keeled over. And the last time we see him, they are side by side on gurneys in the ambulance. So, you know what? He could've survived.
Jim:Quite yeah. You have to. You have to keep him alive at least during all that because the face would have died.
T.C.:Mhmm. I going with Here here's what I would go with. K. Okay. So Travolta has moved up to the ranks.
T.C.:He's now the head of the FBI division that he was involved with in this first one. Sure. You know, maybe nearing retirement. And a new global threat shows up, and it's Nick Cage. He he is confirmed dead.
T.C.:The body is buried and cremated. He's gone. He dusted him. But somehow, Nick Cage is back. We have face swapping technology.
T.C.:We surely have face building technology. So Nick Cage's face has returned. So Nick Cage has come back. He's not Castor Troy. Great name.
T.C.:He is someone who has taken on the persona and the face and the like, to pretend I've come back from the dead, but he's I I I'm back. John Travolta, whose name I can't remember because it's not as cool as Castor Troy. And then, you know, Travolta's like, well, I guess this is gonna be my last mission. I gotta take down the man again. Who find out who he is, stop him, figure out how he did this.
T.C.:But that's like, the the thing with the original face off, the first one, is that he stops him in the first act. And then Travolta needs to figure out where this bomb's gonna go off, and that's why they do the crazy face swap so he can go to prison to talk to Travolta's or capture Troy's Pollock's Pollock's, Troy's brother, and and get the information as Nick Cage face faces swap, yada yada. So we need to swap their faces. So Nick Cage shows up, and he has been and so Travolta has to capture him almost right away, swap his face, and then go back in to find out who created me, Who is the one who created this new caster, Troy. Right?
T.C.:Is that Maybe. Okay. Gears are turning.
Jim:Yeah. So I got a a bit different of a plot.
T.C.:Okay. Okay. What do you got?
Jim:Really, more premise. I'm great at premise.
T.C.:That's what we're here. We're here to bounce ideas off.
Jim:So I'm thinking Sean Connery. Drones.
T.C.:Sorry. There
Jim:you go, Finn. That's that's for you, Finn. Sean Connery plays an old man, very, very rich, lives in Shanghai.
T.C.:Okay. We've we've got Connery. We've got Shanghai. The studio's happy so far. What do you got
Jim:for me? He's what what he's done is he's investing in this technology to to to swap faces and and other things. Basically, it's it's an attempt at trying to cheat death. Right? So face swapping is just one of the many things that are being swapped.
T.C.:Okay. So like organs, livers, hearts.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Ultimately, is the goal to brain swap so you get into a younger body? Like, is that Possibly. We're gonna endgame.
Jim:We're gonna freejack this? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's possibly where I'm going. And then as you were talking, I had another thought, which is so Sean Connery can just be just a whole third party.
Jim:I think what kind of feels right is Sean Connery is actually Castor Troy and Pollux Troy. He's their dad.
T.C.:Oh, good. Yeah. They were that way. He's the ultimately the villain in this. Yeah.
T.C.:He's yeah. Okay. That's good. So he
Jim:And so one of the reasons that he face swaps, and I like the idea that he's he's making faces, I actually like the idea that he goes and, like, gets a whole gang of people that is all of the people from Caster Troy's gang. And so Caster Troy, Pollocks Troy, friggin Nick Cassavetes, Gina Gershon
T.C.:They're all
Jim:bad. They all show up again.
T.C.:That's that's lucky for all of them. It is. They're gonna call they're they're sitting by the phone waiting for Lucky for them. Hold on. My cell phone's going
Jim:You have to be in a FaceOff two movie.
T.C.:Yay. I've been waiting for this call for twenty years.
Jim:Of all the directions I thought my career was gonna take, I was hoping it was gonna be a sequel to
T.C.:FaceOff two. I so so Travolta's gotta stop the bad guy once again. And
Jim:in this And his nemesis
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:With his nemesis' gang Mhmm. Has shown up again. They're all basically supposed to be dead. Right. I guess they didn't all die, but whatever.
Jim:Right. No. They
T.C.:all died. Nick Casavetti died. Yeah. Gina Gershon died. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Pollux died. They all died. So they're all back from the dead.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. And and now he has to
T.C.:So to to to capture the fake Nick Cage, swap his face, get back into the gang to try to work his way to Sean Connery to figure out who did like, my plot still works with that idea.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:That we combine this Travolta's mission in this is to
Jim:So I wanna do way more face swapping though. So I don't think Travolta would swap faces with Cage. With Cage. Mhmm. I think the technology has come much further and almost like removable masks.
Jim:He gets fitted Okay. With a way to be able to take one face to basically swap faces more often and faster.
T.C.:Okay. So a bit Mission Impossible esque.
Jim:Little bit.
T.C.:Yeah. Fine because if you're gonna
Jim:steal from faces and and not prosthetic.
T.C.:They're like in, like like like cryogenically,
Jim:like Yeah.
T.C.:A suitcase where it's like, he's gotta, like, pull the the the goo out and just slap it to his face.
Jim:Yep. Oh, and this is now feeling like a dark man.
T.C.:No. Not that dark man. That's night
Jim:that's nightman. Nightman. What are Dark man with Liam Neeson.
T.C.:I know. I know. That that that premise works, but how do we get how do
Jim:we more true? Because because that way, at least our Travolta character Mhmm. I I like the idea of him him infiltrating the gang, but not being able to get straight to the one guy. He has to kinda climb like, oh, my face got swapping faces here.
T.C.:Swapping faces is he Gina Gershun? Maybe. Okay. He's just swapping faces and climbing the ladder to get up to Yeah.
Jim:So that maybe maybe we can do almost like a what do you what do you call the the the the three cup
T.C.:Oh, three card Monte.
Jim:Like Yeah. To do like a three card Monte of who's the actual dude? And so that we we can kinda kinda have a mystery thing.
T.C.:I I would like to to the mystery of this would be who who did this? Why did they do it? Right? Sure. So Connery won't have a major role in this in that he won't be in the majority of the film.
T.C.:It's once once you get to, like, the final boss and it's revealed to be, oh my god, Sean Connery's in this? Right? Like, I think that could be or do you see him being a presence through the
Jim:whole I think he'd be a presence more through the whole thing. So that actually makes me reconsider the plot. What if he's wanting to get revenge for the deaths of his sons? Mhmm. So he kidnaps Travolta and swaps his face.
Jim:Oh, okay. He's actually doing this to a bunch of people. It's how he's taking over. And he's swapping the faces with people like like he has he has a his own rogues gallery that he's swapping faces with. Right.
Jim:Right. Right. The the faces are getting swapped with are are are people who probably themselves are on the lam or basically people that others aren't going to believe or or shoot on sight kind of thing.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:So that way, Travolta can't be all like, that's not me. Face got switched.
T.C.:I mean, that's it. Yeah. So but but could he could he wake up as Nick Cage? Like, get get kidnapped, blackout, and suddenly he wakes up and he's, you know, a dirty bathroom in Shanghai. How did I even get across the entire planet?
T.C.:Oh, I'm so groggy. People give me books.
Jim:Shanghai. Ding
T.C.:ding ding ding ding. Here he is, folks. But for him to wake up, look in the mirror and be like, no. Not again. Not again.
T.C.:And then Connery to infiltrate Travolta's life by placing a new Travolta face in his life again. Right? Like Sure. Yeah. Which, yes, we are diehard two ing this in a sense that we've we've just figured out a different contrivance for why the faces have been offed.
T.C.:And
Jim:Well, that's not fair to diehard. I'm I'm one of the few defenders of Die Hard two.
T.C.:I I think Die Hard two is just fine. It's Did I defend it in our in our in Die Hard episode? I don't know. Die Hard five makes Die Hard four look like Die Hard two. Okay.
T.C.:So getting Travolta and Cage to star in this, it's what we have to give them an equal amount of Yeah. Stuff to do. So I think Cage at this point is getting the fun stuff. He is the where am I? Who am I?
T.C.:How did this happen? So how do we get Travolta So so there there there you kinda came up with two different ways about two different ways to approach this, which is suddenly he has a face. He doesn't know where he is. Oh, okay. Ding.
T.C.:Yeah. Bye. Go.
Jim:What's Sean Connery has a third son Oh. Who Daughter. Nope. Go ahead. Nope.
T.C.:Son Okay.
Jim:Who has sacrificed his own face for this revenge plot.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And he is the one that Travolta's face is given to.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And as punishment, Papa Troy has has given John Travolta Castor Troy's face once again even though Castor Troy is supposed to be dead. Right. So This is part of his revenge. And and he and he wakes him up in a dirty bathroom, whatever. But he finds out very early, right, Papa Troy is all like, you killed my sons.
Jim:You killed my sons. This is this is this is This is my
T.C.:third son.
Jim:My third son. He is now going to go ruin your life. Go ruin your life. And you now have to be my son And you're my son. Who everyone thinks is dead.
Jim:Run. Go, bitch. Yeah.
T.C.:Okay. Yeah. That works.
Jim:So abandoning my first two plots.
T.C.:No. No.
Jim:No. You kinda Something like like that.
T.C.:I do there is something to the being able to constantly swap the face. Mhmm. Why don't we give that to the heavy? If, like, Connery is the the the master, the the the big bad boss Mhmm. And in standard action adventure movies, serials like Indiana Jones, you have the boss, you have the heavy, you have the femme.
T.C.:So the heavy is can constantly swap his face. He's the chameleon through the course of this. He's he's like Connery's number one guy. Okay. Whereas the son is Travolta, and he's infiltrating, and he's he's getting involved with taking down
Jim:Oh. Oh. The heavy the heavy is is Travolta is Castor Castor Troy. Travolta. Okay.
Jim:Hector is is John Travolta's as
T.C.:Now let's call him Achilles.
Jim:As Nick Cage. That's actually probably even better.
T.C.:Yeah. Because it's Pollux and Castor. Achilles Troy makes sense. Sorry.
Jim:He's So he's he's essentially his babysitter.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:So last time, Castor Troy Papa Troy decides Castor Troy's downfall was that he just let him do whatever.
Jim:Like, oh,
Jim:he's not gonna be able to get to me because he he's a criminal and he can't and I have access. Right. Papa Troy is not gonna allow that. So now when John Travolta as Nick Cage is running around and he's trying to get, hurry. You gotta help me.
Jim:I'm not who I look like. I'm that other guy. Hey, man. Not who
T.C.:I look like.
Jim:If anyone starts believing or starts trying to help
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:That's when Achilles shows up as whoever and, yeah,
T.C.:just And takes
Jim:him out. Does some assassination
T.C.:I like
Jim:or is the person that he was even trying to get the help.
T.C.:Surprise. It's me. Yeah. I like that. I don't wanna give that to Achilles because I have I I think I know what we can do with Achilles that would give Travolta as the bad guy infiltrating Travolta's life.
T.C.:We need to remember what this guy's name is. He can execute Castor's plan because Castor's plan in the first face off is pretty solid. Hey, brother. We're gonna work as the FBI and take out all the competition.
Jim:Oh. So Oh, sure.
T.C.:That that's still a good plan. That is actually a solid bad guy plan. So having Travolta much, like, way more, you know, keeping his cool. He's not the he's not the psychopath that is Castro. He's a much more calculating he's he's the smart brother.
T.C.:He is the he's the cold, perfect mole infiltrator. And he gets to get action sequences where he's taken out terrorists all around the world like a good FBI agent. Well, I'm not gonna retire now until I clean up this top 10 list of terrorists. Pop, pop, pop, pop. It's like, wow, you're going out with a bang here.
Jim:What if so what if they're doing that? They're doing that. But then we also find out that what's happening is all of those terrorists are being face swapped. Oh, yes. To to make them other people in the in in the the terrorist busting organization.
T.C.:So he's like faking their deaths. Yeah. Oh, alright.
Jim:Faking their debts and or faking their their just jailing them. Right? Like Yeah. I'm not the the this terrorist. I'm
T.C.:I'm back. I'm not a different guy.
Jim:Guy. Sean Archer.
T.C.:I'm Sean.
Jim:That's Sean Archer is is Travolta's character's name.
T.C.:Oh, yes. Thank you. You're right. Well remembered. What what two comically silly action hero names
Jim:Sean Archer, Castro.
T.C.:And Castro Troy. But Achilles Troy, the third Troy brother no one knew about.
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:What what actor can we get to be? Because that's more of a cameo role. Because we because it's not Achilles Troy? Yeah. Who is Achilles Troy this
T.C.:time?
T.C.:Mickey Rourke. He's already had his face taken off.
Jim:Still on. No. Achilles Troy Who who is Achilles Troy? Think should be someone younger.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Someone who can I he's gonna be our jigsaw? So
T.C.:Oh, we're gonna keep him around? We're gonna make a we're gonna franchise this.
Jim:Of course, we're gonna franchise this.
T.C.:What do you think of that noise? You thought you were just getting one movie. We're making a new baddie here that's gonna carry on in the series.
Jim:Gonna swap so many faces.
T.C.:He's gonna take faces off all over the world to the moon. Gonna take faces off faces. So we we need a younger actor. Right? We need someone
Jim:Oh god.
T.C.:Who is
Jim:this? At some point, there's gotta be a movie called FaceOff Faces of Mars. Oh, no.
T.C.:Oh, man. Is that
Jim:the is that
T.C.:FaceOff 10? Yes. By the tenth movie, if you don't end up on the Mars. FaceOff x. FaceOff x, Faces of Mars.
T.C.:Oh my god. Well, who who is someone, you know, you know, but maybe thirties, late day, that is on the level of Nick Cage and Travolta? Or do we wanna get to someone like, you know, who can who can
Jim:Jeremy Renner. Not bad. Yeah. Would he do bad guy?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. He was a bad guy in SWAT.
Jim:He was?
T.C.:He was a bad guy in SWAT.
Jim:He was a bad guy
T.C.:in SWAT. Or Colin Farrell. I think equal equal level of of yeah. You're you're on the level of face off too. Congratulations.
T.C.:Well well, why why don't we take a break here so while you can think of who you wanna catch with this? And I think we need to run let's run through some more more plot here, but we got a pretty solid thing going here. So let's just take a quick break. Here's a message from Six Five Media, our our our wonderful providers of of podcastiness. We'll be right back.
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T.C.:Take his face off. Off? We've we were playing this game with each other trying to get each other to say face off while we were watching the movie. What's happening right now? Oh, they took his face.
T.C.:What what did they do with it? Do want them to take it off?
Jim:They removed it. Okay.
T.C.:So Achilles Troy, our youngest youngest brother. Mhmm. Yeah. We're we're trying to cast him. I suggested Jeremy Renner or Colin Farrell.
T.C.:We need to see him. We will see him at the beginning. Maybe the there will be a cold opening of sorts. We will see this actor.
Jim:He'd likely save his face for when he wanted to be himself again Yeah. Once in a while.
T.C.:And and at the end of the movie, thinking our our guy is dead Mhmm. Having him walking away and revealing, oh, it's the actor we saw at the beginning. Oh, he's still alive. Yeah. Like, that's the the little stinger at the end.
T.C.:Do you have someone in mind for this?
Jim:Yeah. I quickly skimmed through IMDb, and one of the first faces I saw, I decided that's the one.
T.C.:Okay. Who is it?
Jim:Matt Bomer.
T.C.:Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He what's he doing currently? Is he on Doom Patrol?
Jim:Yes. Okay.
T.C.:So he's he's not below television.
Jim:So and he was Oh, no. He's done a bunch of television.
T.C.:In Suits. He was on Chuck.
Jim:Right? No. He wasn't on Suits. He was he was kind of the main character of White Collar.
T.C.:That's it. I knew it was one of those shows nobody watches. Yeah. I watched that show. No.
T.C.:Anyway, Bomer. Yep.
Jim:He was also on several seasons of American Horror Story.
T.C.:Okay. Cool. Yeah. I think that's TV. He's good looking guy?
Jim:Yes. He He's talented guy. Been in a couple movies. Didn't never really cracked it, though. Okay.
Jim:Never really cracked it.
T.C.:Well, this is this is gonna be he'll at least get now
Jim:because this will
T.C.:It's gonna launch his film career. This will be great. He's gonna get at least two movies out of this Yeah. Because we're setting it up for a third. Yeah.
T.C.:Face slash slash slash off.
Jim:Just that's all you do.
T.C.:Just keep
Jim:That's the only way. You're not
T.C.:even supposed to pronounce those. Nope.
Jim:You just say the new FaceOff New FaceOff. Sequel to FaceOff.
T.C.:FaceOff three. Have I complained about Bad Boys three? No. It's the title of Bad Boys three. They announced Bad Boys three and Bad Boys four.
T.C.:They're going to
Jim:make you complain. Yeah.
T.C.:That they're going to make a Bad Boys three and a bad boys four, and they named the bad boys three bad boys for life. What the hell? What are you gonna call the fourth one? You you got the the that that would have been perfect. Bad boys for life.
T.C.:That's the title of the fourth one.
Jim:Bad boys four, three, Pete.
T.C.:Anyway, Matt Boomer. Good. I like that. Yeah. And and we need to see him up front before he Mhmm.
T.C.:Becomes Travolta. Boy, that's gonna be a size difference. I mean, Boomer's like a pretty cut guy. Smoking mirrors. Okay.
T.C.:Well, I mean, in face off what we want, they did we took care of them. Love
Jim:the animals. Yeah. That's right. That's how they that's how they mentioned
T.C.:put that. Them back when we bring you back. What a joke. Chub. Chub.
T.C.:That's not nice. You
Jim:could you maybe just leave those off? No. No.
T.C.:Don't put the scar back. Also, don't put the love handles back. I don't need those anymore. I don't need the reminder anymore. Forgot about the scar subplot.
T.C.:That was so dumb. I'm I know we did we don't normally do, like, a full on review of a movie before we discussed it, We and that's that's essentially what we did in this episode. That scar moment was so stupid. Well, because the whole thing, like, they the way they talk about it, like, oh,
Jim:they're gonna use this. This is obviously foreshadowing.
T.C.:We're the only two who watch this movie. The listeners right now are just listening to us bitch about They set up the scar. He got Yeah. Like, oh, that's gonna be the reveal. That's how Oh, his wife's gonna figure it out.
T.C.:He doesn't have the scar in his chest. Never comes into play. Like, she spent at least a minute of
Jim:screen time fingering this scar wound.
T.C.:Gross. Yes. She she's like Oh, you It's okay. And then and then they have a scene where where it's it's now bad bad Travolta Yeah. Picking his wife up to take her upstairs to sleep with her.
T.C.:That scene follows with her going, well, this is great. Where'd your scar go? Never happens. She's so she's it's been so long since she's had any marital relations that she doesn't even give a shit. She's But it
Jim:was literally two days earlier that she was rubbing her hand over it like it's braille.
T.C.:Oh, man. We can only assume what happened in that bedroom that she didn't notice that. Instead,
Jim:the scar was used as character building.
T.C.:Yeah. I don't I don't need this.
Jim:Want the scar back because he has moved beyond the death of his son.
T.C.:Because he's got a new kid that looks exactly like the old kid. Does. Oh, man. Have we talked about the face touching? We haven't we haven't used the kid.
T.C.:We didn't put the kid in the movie. He's Yeah. He's old. Maybe He's old enough to be an agent now. He's old enough to have his face offed.
T.C.:Is this is that like the the the the oh my god. Are we setting up him to also be a part of this franchise? Like Travolta's passing off the passing off the face torch to so that his son I is gonna be
Jim:think so.
T.C.:Okay. So what's his deal? What's the kids do?
Jim:I don't
T.C.:know. Are they still doing the creepy face petting? The face petting. We didn't talk about the face petting.
Jim:The face petting is is integral to
T.C.:his story. Critical plot point. Not the scar. Nope. The how how do I know you're really my husband?
T.C.:Let me pet your face.
Jim:Let me run my hand down your face.
T.C.:Hey, new brother to replace dead brother. You know what we could do in this family? Face petting. I love it here. Maybe he's a real rebel about it.
T.C.:He's like, dad, I will join you in the FBI, but I am through with this face petting nonsense. You're not my son. People think I'm weird. You don't Facepet? Has your face been swapped?
Jim:So I feel like for those who haven't seen FaceOff
T.C.:She did a blood test to determine the difference between her husband and not husband, not the scar. She pricked him in his sleep to give his blood to take it back to the lab to do a sample to go, okay. This is not my I mean, theoretically theoretically, Nick
Jim:Nick Cage could have had the scar put on
T.C.:to him. Okay. But they didn't shut anyway. Didn't address it. It was a huge freaking point.
T.C.:Like, they they took they took time and dialogue Mhmm.
Jim:To establish this scar thing
T.C.:and then never
Jim:returned to it.
T.C.:Never returned to it. You were I sorry. Did. I was
Jim:gonna clarify the face petting.
T.C.:Like, I because I think
Jim:when you say face petting, people think, like, taking your hand and running it down the side of someone's face. Oh, you look beautiful.
T.C.:That's not how they did it. No. No. The way they do
Jim:it is you take you take your hand, and you put it you put the palm to the front of the person's Yeah. Face
T.C.:and you just run your three fingers, three middle fingers Yeah.
Jim:Down their face, down the middle
T.C.:of their face. Slowly, like a soft tickling, you know, like if Like like it's raining
Jim:your fingers down their face, down the front of their face.
T.C.:That was the the Archer family thing.
Jim:Yeah. Can you Like like, when you close a corpse's eyes But when you,
T.C.:you just Hey, babe. Face. That's what
Jim:I do.
T.C.:That's very face off putting, if I'm if I'm being honest. You
Jim:may. Okay.
T.C.:Okay. So new son, not old son, is Caster Troy's son. You have to remember that. That Travolta adopted Oh, shit. Caster's son.
T.C.:Oh, shit. Oh, shit. There's a whole there's a whole major subplot Yeah.
Jim:About papa Troy
T.C.:Yep. Trying to get his grandson. I want my grandson back. Yeah. Get me get me back my grandson.
T.C.:Oh. Yeah. There's a lot of familial things happening here. Oh, no. Finally gets him.
T.C.:He's like, welcome to the family, and he, like, reaches out to touch Sean Connery's face. He's like, what the fuck are you? What are you doing? None of that nonsense. I'm not saying I do a good Sean Connery.
T.C.:It's just fun to try.
Jim:At that point, though so so at this point, that was twenty years ago. Yeah. Right? So he'd old enough
T.C.:to be in the the FBI.
Jim:The the Federal
T.C.:Bureau of
Jim:of Federal Investigation Bureau?
T.C.:Yes. Yes. It's an alternate reality.
Jim:Right? So he's in his mid to late twenties?
T.C.:Right. Yep. Yep.
Jim:Okay. So I I think I think we use him as one of the ways that not Achilles' Troy Mhmm. Because that's the heavy. Right?
T.C.:No. No. Achilles' Troy is is is hiding his Travolta. He is infiltrating. He's third brother.
T.C.:Yeah. He's taken out the
Jim:so the son Mhmm. Is the one who who uncovers. He's like, you're not my dad.
T.C.:I'm your uncle. This family's weird, man. No. Oh god. That's so stupid.
T.C.:I love it. I love that it's become a weird family thing. La familia, man.
T.C.:That's the
T.C.:thing right now. So so here's the thing. The because it's Matt Bomer that has been turned into Travolta. Right? Yeah.
T.C.:They get to hit that's the big fisticuffs final battle because Nick Cage, who is Archer Sean Archer Mhmm. Is gonna have to fight to Sean Connery. Sean Connery's not gonna be involved in this fight. He's too old to be Fistocuffing. Oh, no.
Jim:That would be your your heavy. That's that's who you have to fight.
T.C.:Oh, right. Right. Right. The the constant face swapping guy gets to fight Nick Cage.
Jim:Yeah. Sean Connery can't he we can't have him physically No. Fight. But he's gonna he's gonna be Jack Palance in Batman. Alright.
Jim:Just gonna sit behind a desk.
T.C.:You're my number one guy. But we have two big this is very hard boiled esque. We have two heroes who get to have two fights Yeah. To finish this off. So, like, Cage, who is Sean Archer, Travolta, is gonna have to fight Connery's heavy while Matt Bomer and little kidnap the the the son Yeah.
T.C.:They get to fight. So we have two big climactic final fights here that could that could totally that could be great. That's some great action sequence. That's fun for Travolta. That's fun for Nick Cage.
T.C.:That's fun for, Matt Bomer, or oh, the kid. Wait. Okay. So we get to cast the kid now too. Man, what's Ryan Gosling up to?
T.C.:Am I right? We we Nothing. Now we need he's he's he's, you know, he's not doing much. Okay. Actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a name out there just off the top of my gourd here.
T.C.:Yep. Who is at the caliber of doing a movie like this?
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:That would also be like, I kind of want to see that Mark Paul Gosselaer as Travolta's son, Zack Morris.
Jim:Too old. Too old? Yeah.
T.C.:Thirties. Oh, yeah. I guess he's he's probably like 40 now. Yeah. Hollywood magic.
T.C.:Okay. So we need a we need a younger somebody. Okay. There's Tom Holland. I'm gonna take your face off.
T.C.:That's what I was gonna do. It's very nice of you. Yeah. Don't do that. So but the but that's great that we have these two kind of climactic these two climactic finales with you know, we can have a real physical Mhmm.
T.C.:You know, punch him up and just Travolta getting his face punched off. Like like, I'm sorry, dad. Pow. Like, you know what? That that's not your face.
T.C.:Take my dad's face off, uncle. Boom. Now here's the thing. He can he can he can, you know, bash the crap out of this face because we have face remaking technology at this point. So there's no need you know, dad, I I can't keep hitting you.
T.C.:I'm trying to protect the face so we can get your face back on. And he's like, we got the technology to give me a whole new one, son. Go to town. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:This is this is pretty exciting. Now here's a question though in terms of like
Jim:I I also I like that word for word as the exposition that happens in the movie.
T.C.:That's the dialogue. There's I we are literally writing the dialogue. Yeah. That isn't paraphrasing. Go to town, son.
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:Rend my face.
T.C.:What's what's what what move action current action movie are we going to try to mimic here? None. This is this is an unto itself. We're not like we're missing an integral thing.
Jim:The most amazing action sequence in FaceOff was that boat fight. Oh, yeah. And we gotta have another boat fight.
T.C.:Oh, like boat chases have gone the way of the dodo. We don't see a lot of boat chases in in in big major movies anymore, do you? I can't think No. Quantum of Silas had a boat chase, but that was, like, ten years ago.
Jim:Long time ago.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. What's helicopters keep getting there.
Jim:Fast and Furious is all cars. Yeah. They they incorporate a few aircraft Mhmm. Helicopters and planes, but no boats.
T.C.:So the the thing is
Jim:Oh, a submarine. They have a submarine. True.
T.C.:And you throw a missile at it. Rock. Do is this like, what crowd are we gonna try to rope in with it? So we aiming for, hey, remember the nineties? So like the Expendables kind of crowd?
T.C.:Are we looking at the Mission Impossible crowd? Are we looking at the Fast and the Furious crowd? Marvel? Like, there's I I there's different styles of action movies now that all kind of cannibalize each other, and then do certain things that make them stand out. So the Fast and the Furious franchise is cartoon nonsense awesomeness.
T.C.:Mission Impossible tends to be the best spy action thriller movies we get now. They're they're the smartest of the action movies we get right now. Bond has been really sloppy. The Marvel movies are they're fantastical superpower. Yeah.
T.C.:So what's what do you do you see something on the level of, like, are we gonna tap into I don't know. Where do you what would you compare this new face off to I think I to
Jim:based on on the examples you gave, I'd put it somewhere between Mission Impossible and Fast and Furious.
T.C.:Okay. I and I think that's the safe way to go in terms of, like, getting the right audience in Mhmm. By by saying, like, hey, you like these crazy ass action movies? Come see ours.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:I I would be more interested in seeing something towards mission a little closer to mission mission impossible just in terms of the the production, the reality, like, fist fights, actual choreography. Like, I wouldn't mind seeing Cage and Travolta learning some fight choreography. Like, Cage loves that stuff. I don't know what Travolta's deal is, but Cage loves still getting out there, firing the guns
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Driving the cars. He's he's getting up there, but he still wants to get out there and be physical. He's no Tom Cruise. But whereas Fast and the Furious, that is CG cartoon nonsense Yeah. Awesomeness.
T.C.:Like, I'm I'm not deriding those those movies. So, yeah, something something real. Like, the the best fight in the Fast and the Furious franchise is the the subway fight from five, I believe, where Gina Carano and Michelle Rodriguez fight on the stairwell while Tyrese and Han are fighting the one dude at the same time.
Jim:Oh, yeah. And they're getting
T.C.:thrown through the window. It's because it's real. It's an actual it's it's edited well. It's an actual real fight scene as opposed to just the flying headbutts of Vin Diesel and the the rock doing throwing missiles at submarines. Right?
T.C.:It's it's we're we are entering the midst of nineties nostalgia. I've talked about this before. That's a
Jim:I also sort of partially because of who we're casting. I don't see it so much as as like a fist to cuffs kind of thing. I see it a little more a little more of a shoot them up. Shoot up. Maybe it's the the the John Woo element Mhmm.
Jim:That that I that I wanna kinda recapture. Right.
T.C.:Oh, yes. Certainly. Certainly more of that gun gun foo Yeah. Old school John Woo. Good good John Woo.
T.C.:Yeah. Not John Wick. That's that's that's another agent.
Jim:Wick kind of is a successor to that
T.C.:Oh, certainly. Certainly.
Jim:To that type of film.
T.C.:In in listing action movies. I didn't say John Wick earlier just to you know, when I was listening because John Wick
Jim:John Wick, think, is a little more intense action wise than I'm currently imagining.
T.C.:Oh, certainly.
Jim:I I wouldn't is almost we need we need a contrivance to get to a combat scene.
T.C.:Right. And it's Headshot. Headshot. Headshot. Headshot.
T.C.:It's bloody slapstick action. Yeah. And that's that that isn't what we're creating here. We we are crafting an an action movie. John Witt tends to be fantasy in a sense.
T.C.:It's superhero level. It's video game level of violence. It the first one has a great it's grounded pretty well.
Jim:Yeah. The the the franchise does go does go pretty far.
T.C.:But if we are doing if we are setting up FaceOff now to be a a franchise of films, we'll need to get there. Sure. By the fourth
Jim:So I just I I want more I want more face swapping. That's that that to me is is the thing that we can add. I don't care what else escalates or doesn't.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Faces. Faces need to come off and go on other people. I yeah. Like like, this this whole time I was I was thinking,
Jim:what if we had a scene? Okay.
Jim:What what if maybe the cold open is like a almost like a bank robbery
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And the robbers swap faces with, I don't know, people in the bank. And then the cops come in, and then they swap faces with the cops.
T.C.:And then There's just a slew of face swapping crimes. I like the idea.
Jim:There's reasons that why that doesn't work because the people are still alive that have the new faces.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And they they would just say, hey. They took my face.
T.C.:Yeah. Right. Like, that's a thing. FBI. We're here from the FaceSwap division.
T.C.:The FaceOff division. The FBI. The face
Jim:the face facial bureau of investigation? No. This is this is a very important part of the episode right now.
T.C.:Yeah. We need to determine what the new FBI is called. Facial protection interpolice. Okay. Here here here's a face swap for you that gets to happen that launches us into the finale.
T.C.:So evil Travolta has successfully taken out the other terrorists as well as recruited new terrorists who've been face swapped. Mhmm. And he but he's been exposed. He's on the run. And By the sun.
T.C.:Yeah. The sun has exposed him. And in order to to get away, to to have some sort of insurance policy though so that he can get his escape Uh-huh. Executed well, he kidnaps Travolta's daughter. So she is the damsel in distress once again.
T.C.:And in having her and he's calling his dad like, dad, I need to get back. Right? The daughter starts kicking his ass, and she takes her face off, and it's the son. You kidnapped me. Yeah.
T.C.:So there's some face swapping for
Jim:face swapping.
T.C.:Yep. You wanted more. I wanted more. They've got that.
Jim:And she more.
T.C.:So then it's like, sis, we gotta swap faces to save dad. What are you talking about? Thanksgiving's very confusing in that house. Do we do we what is the Face off. Just imagining him taking his face off, and he's still in the dress, and the fight starts, and he's in his sister's clothes.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:With without a face on because we had him remove the face. But he wouldn't but he wouldn't have a face under that face.
T.C.:Oh, no. His face is under her face.
Jim:But why did we change the technology to do that?
T.C.:No. The FBI has developed new techno Wait. Wait. No. That's too much like Mission Impossible.
Jim:Yeah. That's just a mask.
T.C.:So he just has a bloody
Jim:face. We can't do masks.
T.C.:Oh, okay. Yeah. That's oh, wait. It's literal face swapping. So that doesn't work.
T.C.:That doesn't work. Darn. So you have your your heavy who is constantly swapping his faces.
Jim:And well, yeah. And he gets defeated by John Travolta as Caster Troy. So Nick Nick Cage. Or I'm sorry. Nick Cage.
T.C.:Yeah. Nick Cage
Jim:is Sean Archer. Fights the heavy Yeah. And ultimately takes out Sean Connery. Mhmm.
T.C.:Let's see. So we have I I I think him face swapping with his sister is freaking hilarious.
Jim:It is.
T.C.:You know what? Could could that be one of those, like, wait, hold on a minute. How was his face under her face moments? Because, you know, like, sometimes movies will, like, completely break their
Jim:own rules. We don't wanna no. We don't want to those movies don't do they're like, it'll no. No. We want to
T.C.:I am being a a studio stooge right now and suggesting this as a possibility.
Jim:Is that really gonna bother people? It can't really people are
T.C.:gonna yes.
Jim:Who are you?
T.C.:Okay. How wait. You had you had said the face swapping is fast. Like, that they have least
Jim:Unless that's the advancement in the Chicago. Do we just wanna make this a mask movie?
T.C.:No. I think that the that having the bloody, muscly tissue moment is is some fun gross out stuff that we can have in this modern film. So so having the the face swapping heavy, having that moment of, like, face off. Ew. Okay.
T.C.:New face. Oh, face off. Ah. And then right. So that the son pulls that off later where he pulls his sister's face off off her face off his face and and then throws his back on.
T.C.:Right
Jim:I
T.C.:had this in my pocket the whole time. Yeah, it's got a little dust on it.
Jim:I mean, it's got some wrinkles on I
T.C.:just get out No. No. No. No. Actually, he just Why is it squeaking?
T.C.:No. No. He holds it up, and then he pets it to clean it.
Jim:Face petting.
T.C.:Something that the fur the first movie, it opens with Nick Cage, Castro, Troy trying to assassinate Sean Archer, like, and shooting him through his back out, and he goes out of his front and it kills his son in his arms. Yeah. That's where the scar came from. Mhmm. Did they ever tell us why Nick Cage was trying to kill kill him?
T.C.:It's just like a gloss
Jim:over it. It's because at the time, he was a part of that task force
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Assigned to to stop him. Okay. And Caster Troy was just like
T.C.:I'm gonna stop you.
Jim:Yeah. I'm gonna take you out. I'm gonna take you out of the out of the way.
T.C.:I'm gonna
Jim:Off you. Out of here. Yeah.
T.C.:Okay. I that's just something I wondered if if that could could come back and play a part here. Okay. So Sean Connery's plan, what's his master plan here? What's his what's what are we stopping him
Jim:from doing in the end? A, he's getting he's getting revenge for his dead sons. B, he is replacing not just the head of the terrorist task force
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:But the heads of all kinds of security forces throughout the world With these. With terrorists.
T.C.:Okay. So he's he's creating a a terrorist organization inside the governments, the anti terrorist governments all over the oh. Can we get Kiefer Sutherland in this somewhere? Just because I'm just suddenly thinking of CTU from twenty four, the counter terrorist unit. Is there is there a plate?
T.C.:Nah. I'm reaching too far for that. Sorry. Twenty four, though, is a is a good level of action in terms of like Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. So his master plan, that's that's a pretty good evil bad guy plan. Mhmm. And if if Matt Bomer gets away in the end, is that is that the what's what's the plan after that? Like because we've we've we've pretty much created a face off too here.
T.C.:We have the broad strokes and some of the nice little strokes of what this whole movie could be. But if you're gonna franchise this and they have to get to Space by 10, Faces of Mars, what's what's the next one here? I don't wanna go through, like, we don't have to call it four, five, six, yada yada yada, but what's the overall series here? What what are we is it it's it's gotta be constantly be about face swapping and identity theft. Like Yeah.
Jim:It it or it's it's whatever crazy face crime
T.C.:Face crime. Achilles. The FBI face crime division?
Jim:Achilles Troy can think of.
T.C.:Okay. Is there any excuse we can make to keep Nick Cage around? Like, Castro Troi is dead and gone, but we do have Nick Cage's face available to us. So is there is there any any excuse we can come up with to see Nick Cage return in some capacity?
Jim:Is Yeah. I was initially passing it on to ideally well, I was thinking to a younger face.
T.C.:Right. So Matt Bomer is is Achilles' Troy.
Jim:How much younger Matt Bomer is really.
T.C.:Okay. Who who could play then then who the Sun character is also gonna lead our franchise into this next generation of Yeah. Of FaceOff movies.
Jim:So so is the is this us? Are we sunsetting Travolta and Cage?
T.C.:Yeah. Because the whole beginning of this is Travolta is like, this is my last my last mission. I'm I'm retiring. Cash or Troy is back? I need to find out what this is all about.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:And then hunting him down, getting knocked out, waking up with his face on. And and Sean kinda were like, alright. Here's my master plan, bitch. And and run. And so getting Travolta to retire, he's done.
T.C.:Not killed. So I suppose there's always a chance of cameos for him in the future. He would do it.
Jim:Well, and and also our villain has these faces in his database of faces to generate. So really, could bring any of them back that we wanted. Right.
T.C.:Okay. Nick Casabetti. Yep. Alright. So FaceCrimes.
T.C.:I mean, that's the TV series. It's it's so successful as a film franchise that Lupus is like, we need to have a Netflix streaming series called FaceCrimes.
Jim:FaceCrimes.
T.C.:Well, what else? Is there any is there anything else to cover in this? Let's let's just check the demand once more and make sure that we we have achieved it. It's a FaceOff two. Yeah.
T.C.:Have we given enough to Travolta and Cage? I think so. Yeah. We've also created this we've also managed to make this a possible franchise.
Jim:Uh-huh.
T.C.:Shanghai? Well, let's let's talk about the Shanghai. I don't think we we did set it there, but I don't think we we explored that enough. Why is it specifically there? Is this Because of This is definitely because
Jim:of International laws for whatever reason Sean Connery cannot be gotten there. And that is why he is because because the the Chinese government won't extradite him Mhmm. Because reasons. And and so that's why he's there. But also he is like a power dude there and so he has his tendrils and everything.
T.C.:Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
T.C.:That's fair fair enough. That would that would actually mean actually, we we sort of delved in this. It's just worth elaborating on is that the entirety of Nick Cage's plot once he's in the movie. Yeah. Right?
T.C.:Once Travolta once Sean Archer has become Nick Cage once again is in Shanghai. He's not running around the globe. He's he's fighting his way through the streets of
Jim:Shanghai. Yep.
T.C.:Yeah. I understand why the studio is asking for this. The Chinese market is very important to to the movie.
Jim:Well, and and because of that, honestly, our our villain that has put on John Travolta's face isn't going to go far either. He's gonna remain there's no reason for him not to remain close to Shanghai. There could be some sort of plot like that that that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to solidify their power base
T.C.:Well, they're
Jim:they're Shanghai.
T.C.:They're picking off international terrorists Yeah. And replacing them. So we can explore all of of Southern Asia. We could Mhmm. Probably hit some Polynesian areas, a little bit of globetrotting, yeah, might might delve into some James Bond esque territory to see some some nice locations.
Jim:We're not
T.C.:we're not traveling the globe, but we do go from say America to Shanghai and then around Southeast Asia. Yeah. Travolta taking out terrorists' cells replacing Mhmm. And it's the Sun character going from America to To follow his dad. What
Jim:do you mean my dad doesn't want me there to decide to help out? That's what I've been groomed for. That's what I do.
T.C.:I'm gonna do this. Yeah. It's see, the the the trick with this character, Michael was the son's name. Ryan was the little boy's name.
Jim:Oh, good recall.
T.C.:Yeah. The thing with Ryan is that it would be the exact role that the studio would wanna cast one of those vanilla it people like Jake Jake Courtney That's fine. Sam Worthington or Taylor Titch. No. I'm not saying Oh.
T.C.:I'm not saying they would cast them. I'm saying that's what a studio would ask for. Like, who's that new it
Jim:guy that's like? Honestly, I'm fine with that as long as they don't have to become central.
T.C.:Stephen Abell. He's done with his show. No. He's he's Achilles Troy. So Matt Bomer can play the son.
T.C.:Villain.
Jim:No, Matt. No. No. No. No.
Jim:The son needs to be some some vanilla yummy.
T.C.:So Steven Amell is Achilles Troy. Yes. Yes. I love Steven Amell. He's great.
T.C.:Yes. And and this is definitely probably right in the caliber of film that he's. I mean, I love the guy, but Casey Jones didn't give me a lot of faith in in his ability as a as an actor. No. That's great.
T.C.:That's good. So who is our it dude? Is it someone we just don't aren't thinking of? Someone we're not aware of?
Jim:For for Ryan?
T.C.:For Ryan.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. I I think so. Okay. Important you can you can plug whatever generic handsome twenties actor you want in there.
Jim:Mhmm. I just don't think that they should end
T.C.:up
Jim:being lion's share of the the plot. They are still a side supporting character. Well, they they will get centralized in further movies if they get greenlit and made. Mhmm. But in this one, it's about Travolta and Cage.
Jim:Right.
T.C.:So he's he's sort of working his he's subplot. He's a b plot trying to uncover what his dad's up to Yes. Until the finale where he gets to throw down with with Achilles. Yes. Cool.
T.C.:So if Matt Bomer's unavailable, we get Stephen Amell? Or we Yes. You you want Stephen?
Jim:No. No. That Okay. We we have we have an a choice and a b choice. Yeah.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:So some some l we're we're missing an element here. Any sort of female lead? Any sort of because FaceOff is a very male nineties testosterone fueled action movie. So We are in a modern era where representation, definitely important. Is there Yes.
T.C.:However Yes.
Jim:Our main characters are are based on actors
T.C.:Mhmm. Who
Jim:are are is based on a franchise. Yes. I I guess we that's me making an ex making excuses. But
T.C.:Based on the roles we've kinda crafted already in our treatment here, I don't know if there is we could repeat what FaceOff did where Gina Gershon wasn't a villain. She wasn't part of the She was just the girlfriend of the bad guy. And and she she betrayed him in the end Mhmm. For the sake of her son. So we could have
Jim:I mean, those those are pretty weak supporting
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm not trying to I'm just trying to find a a starting point. So with with Nicolas Cage playing Sean Archer trapped in Shanghai, it would be probably nice to have an ally. He has no one to con no one to reach out to.
T.C.:So teaming up with some young Chinese actress
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Who who can who can be his guide, sidekick, slap, like Right.
Jim:Because he's
T.C.:gonna be lost, and he
Jim:doesn't know the language. And yeah.
T.C.:Having her be a reoccurring appearance until they finally team up and work together to to achieve his goals of of finding Sean Connery and taking know, if we wanna be gross about
Jim:Oh god. And then at the end, when he gets his face back Mhmm. She can say the line or he could say the line, it's nice to finally meet you face to face.
T.C.:Yes. Yes. Yes. There it is. And and, you know, may maybe even given a little bit of googly eyes at at our our handsome Ryan.
T.C.:Maybe. Interesting. You know, just some sort of that that's how we get a a female character involved, someone who capitalizes on the Chinese market, getting someone of Asian descent in there.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:I think that's would not just satisfy the studio, but the studios need to satisfy the Chinese market. Yeah. It's that seems very callous of me to just say, yeah. That's what we do.
Jim:It's what the Meg did.
T.C.:That's that is what the Meg did. But And We're at least as good as the Meg.
Jim:That's a that's a bar to
T.C.:live up. That is our that's the poster tagline. Right?
Jim:I have I have a friend who thinks that's the greatest movie ever. Aw. He's watched it, like, 10 times.
T.C.:You know, I've I've said this before, and I believe we've discussed this, that every movie is somebody's favorite movie.
Jim:Well, we said it about Marvel movies.
T.C.:I every movie
Jim:Now it's now it's every movie?
T.C.:Every movie is somebody's first movie. That's those two things to consider.
Jim:That's yeah. That's a weird one.
T.C.:Yeah. If you really think about it, every movie is somebody's first movie. Right?
Jim:Well, mathematically, sure.
T.C.:But just just to be like, wow. The Meg is somebody's favorite movie. That's that that's the first movie someone saw in theaters. Yeah. That's crazy.
T.C.:FaceOff was the first movie I saw in theater. No. It's not true.
Jim:But it was the first r rated movie you saw on your own. The
T.C.:first r rated movie. I didn't get card for the first r rated movie I saw in theaters. I bought a ticket for Dumb and Dumber, and I snuck into Bulworth.
Jim:Oh. Warren
T.C.:Biddy. The the liberal seed was planted young in my Warren Beatty's Bulworth. You know what you know what this FaceOff two is? What we've what we've created here
Jim:A master masterpiece?
T.C.:Is a much better film for Sean Connery to retire on. Yes. Alright. Time to launch in hour two, LXG two. Here we go.
Jim:No. No. First, Alan Quatermain switches faces with the Invisible Man.
T.C.:Gross. Is the Invisible Man played by Kevin Bacon? Hollow Man? Three.
Jim:Yes. Alexey two. Sean Connery's face Sean Connery's face is on an invisible body.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So it's just his face floating around.
T.C.:It's just disgusting.
Jim:And Sean Connery's body has an invisible face on it. So so, you know what? You should see just the the gross muscle and blood underneath.
T.C.:Yeah. No. For whatever
Jim:reason, this goes through his entire head. It's disgusting. So you just see through his head.
T.C.:I love it. Alright. Well, I I I you know,
Jim:this is this is a
T.C.:I think we've got it. I think we've we've satisfied the demands here. I think we've crafted a
Jim:Let let us know, Lepus. Yes.
T.C.:Yeah. Robert Robert, please let us know that you can and and I'm also Or anyone else? Yeah. Does anyone else have any do we miss anything? Are there any are there any plot points that you're like, oh, you guys would that'd be great for your
Jim:Do you didn't do a boat fight. Do we?
T.C.:We didn't do a boat fight.
Jim:And there's a boat fight
T.C.:in There we go. There's a boat fight. Yeah. I I I so FaceOff two. Now we will be getting a FaceOff remake in the next couple years.
T.C.:So we we will revisit this. Or, you know, there's a very good chance we write FaceOff Reboot. Yeah. Yeah. Still, we're available.
T.C.:Yeah. I mean Call call us we're serious about this. You know, if you made the demands, we've satisfied it. Let us rate this movie.
Jim:If you got the coin, we got the content.
T.C.:But let's tangent off here for a second. Because you made a fair point. We've we've tackled a couple of episodes where those movies are gonna come out. So Terminator, Dark Fury comes out Mhmm. This year, and it would be worth doing a catch up, like a sort of a supplementary episode where we revisit.
Jim:Sure. Like like, how did ours stack up to to theirs kinda thing?
T.C.:Yeah. And and to be for those who may have just jumped on the show and haven't gone back and listened to the the previous episodes, we didn't we're we aren't predicting what FaceOff is gonna be. We're not we didn't predict what Terminator's gonna be or what DieHard six is gonna be. Mhmm. We we conceptualized what we would write given the chance.
T.C.:Or what we would have written given the chance. So with with Terminator, I am I do wonder
Jim:From the trailers, a few things seemed familiar. Yeah. It it it It was it was different ultimately from from Our all
T.C.:three our
Jim:all the three or four of the the different things we came up with.
T.C.:Yeah. So when when Dark Victory or Dark Fate comes out Yeah. We we'll we'll we'll we'll come back and talk about it. We'll do a little Okay. We'll do a recap episode.
T.C.:And I wanna do similarly if and when Face Off ever comes out. I mean, if we're not gonna be the ones to write it, I wanna know what they're gonna do with this.
Jim:I kinda I kinda wanna do a FaceOff in the in the vein of jump Jump Street, 21 Jump Street.
T.C.:Oh, like oh, well, dude, just remake this, the the original face off, like
Jim:Yeah. But with with, like, Channing Tatum and
T.C.:and Jonah Hill. Do it as
Jim:is. With with those two guys. And then they get to they get to act as each other.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Right? That they
T.C.:It's we we do still have some time here, and actually, this might be worth talking about. Now that we've we've conceptualized our face off too, let's make some is it you wanna make a little prediction about what they might do with a face off reboot? God. I don't I don't we don't have to go into, like, broad like, huge detail here, but I'm just Sure. Do do you what do you think they're gonna do with this?
Jim:I think they're they're definitely gonna update their pseudoscience.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I think they are gonna go more of a Mission Impossible route. I think we're gonna see a bunch of face swaps.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:It's not not just the the single one. Mhmm. Because I I think our our current tech level
T.C.:supports supports that. With with the Facebook and Twitter being what it was and all the the many faces people have online, it'll and it only makes sense that people are swapping many faces in a FaceOff reboot.
Jim:I Yeah. It it it might delve it might delve into, like, identity, like, actual identity identity theft Maybe. And or even deep fakes
T.C.:I know.
Jim:Kinda thing.
T.C.:Yeah. I I I don't anticipate this being good. I heard that they were doing this. I'm like, why? I mean, not at the level of Princess Bride remake where people, like Sure.
T.C.:Really got up in arms about that. Well, because again Why? Why?
Jim:Although the Internet did give give one one version which would be acceptable.
T.C.:What what was that? If the Muppets did it. Oh, yes. I had not thought you are correct. If the Muppets did Princess Bride, I'm all in.
Jim:Right. Like the the the couple suggestions that I remember was Kermit is reading to a sick
T.C.:Oh, Robin.
Jim:Yeah. Sick Robin. Let's see.
T.C.:Fazi could be Fazi was the priest. Okay. Yep. Oh my god. Sweetums.
T.C.:Sweetums. Sweetums is Andre the Giant.
Jim:Yeah. That was I think that was what kicked it all off. Miss Peggy is Buttercup. Mhmm. I forget who's prince Humperdinck.
T.C.:Humperdinck. Humperdinck.
Jim:Humperdinck. Oh, that might
Jim:have been that might have been Gonzo.
T.C.:Gonzo? Yeah.
Jim:Or was Gonzo Well,
T.C.:I I would make Gonzo Wesley and Buttercup.
Jim:I think Wesley was supposed to be the human whoever
T.C.:Oh, yeah. That's great.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Fair enough. Yeah. That's good. So that was a tangent off a tangent there. If they're gonna remake Princess Bride, that's the way you do it.
T.C.:And it could be a musical. Cause I I think that that'd be one way to remake it and not be offensive is
Jim:Gonzo would like, he'd be great as so many like, I I I know they cast him as someone, but I can't remember what and I don't wanna look at He could an He could be Inigo. Ego. Mhmm. It's I n I g o.
T.C.:In in Inigo. Inigo Montez.
Jim:It's not the color. Makes sense. A long time it took me to to learn that. But he make a a great six fingered man.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. So, yeah, don't don't remake Princess Bride. No one wants that. No. And why make why remake FaceOff?
T.C.:I think you're right that there'll be multiple face swaps in this new FaceOff. I I don't anticipate it being any better than Total Recall and Robocop. Like, just one of those unnecessary nineties reboots where it's
Jim:like the the Robocop one, just in in in my mind, I think there there could have been something there. And and I know people who've told me about it is like, I see where the kernels of something was, but it apparently wasn't there. Total Recall Total Recall felt like it was just an IP Mhmm. Bump.
T.C.:We gotta we gotta maintain this.
Jim:Yeah. It it didn't really look like they were they were trying to do anything super new with it. From what I understand, it was a little more true to the source material.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
Jim:It wasn't actually on Mars.
T.C.:Nope. They didn't get to Mars till the end, which is as much like the book, like, with the anticipation. Was about going
Jim:it was about traveling through the center of the Earth. In a gravity elevator.
T.C.:But the the why did you do this? Oh, yeah. They did this level of remake. I think that's what we can expect for FaceOff. I just I just don't see this as something people going like, I don't feel like anyone's asking for this, and I don't Leap is stupid.
T.C.:Oh, yes. You're right. Robert, I am sorry. I am sorry. We are still on board to write this.
T.C.:If you do it if you let us do it our way, he didn't ask for a reboot. He asked for a sequel. This guy knows what it's all about. That is true. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. So I think we can leave it at that. I think we've we've we've exhausted our our discussion, at least for the time being of of FaceOff two. Do you have any final thoughts here?
Jim:No point did we say one of the the best lines in the movie.
T.C.:Oh, god. That's right. I were to buy you flowers, wait, Let me rephrase that. If I let you suck my tongue, and I don't remember what he says after that. Right?
Jim:Would you do it?
T.C.:Would you do it? The best line in face up.
Jim:She first looks aghast. Oh. And then she smiles and does it.
T.C.:And then she ends up being an FBI agent undercover. She's committed Yeah. To her role. Yeah. Boy, they did the women dirty in that movie.
T.C.:I just realized she got shot in the back and chucked out of a plane and then ran over by the plane. Yeah. The wife was just abused through the whole thing. But, you know, she wasn't the smartest one. I don't care if she's a doctor.
T.C.:The scar, Jim. The scar. The daughter got kidnapped. What a sick And they and before she even got kidnapped,
Jim:they were doing weird gross
T.C.:things Yeah. Because
Jim:Yeah. Her dad is actually someone else, and he's a pervy dude. So he's looking at pervy.
T.C.:What a gross move. John Woo,
Jim:what are you doing, man? It was '97. It was a different time.
T.C.:Time, man. Women weren't people back then. God. I I that's sarcasm. I just wanna It's
Jim:a joke?
T.C.:That's a that's a joke.
Jim:Testing that out.
T.C.:Face off. We'll do
Jim:a gender swap in number three. John Wu said it. John
T.C.:allegedly. Oh. Oh my god. Okay. Let's let's wrap
Jim:this up. Yeah.
T.C.:So thank you for listening. How we ended this episode. Alright. Got a got a lawyer wrote me a letter. The views expressed on this podcast are not the views of Six Five Media.
T.C.:All kidding aside, thank you everyone for listening. Robert, thank you for that. Let us know if we met your demand. Listeners, what did you think? Hit us up on on Twitter, on our website at studio at at studiodemandsit on Instagram and and Twitter.
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Jim:You can find me on Twitter at t bachwaxon.
T.C.:The the the the world famous.
Jim:World famous. World famous. T. Bachwaxon. I have not followed anything.
Jim:No one has followed me. Aw. I'm doing real good at Twitter. I've also never tweeted at no like like, yeah, it's just it's an empty You're you're so
T.C.:good at
Jim:this at the Twitter. Something. It's Don't I? You do. Wish you do.
T.C.:But a huge huge shout out to Six Five Media for giving us this platform. Go check out everything. Six Five has been creating. There's some new content coming very quickly. As always, I have to recommend, Tap, Apple, and Show.
T.C.:Those guys are freaking hilarious. New episodes have been coming out weekly, and check out their whole back library. Definitely check out another Zelda podcast. We will do a crossover episode. I've had a couple people ask me about that.
Jim:Oh, yeah.
T.C.:We will do a studio demands it. Another Zelda podcast crossover eventually, probably in the next season.
Jim:Are we going to reboot reboot their podcast?
T.C.:We're going to we're going to the studio demands. It's real simple. We're just going to start calling Kate David, and we're going to call David Kate. That's it. That's the only change we want to make.
T.C.:Yeah. That's The Studio Demands, we just Done. Name off. Done. Name off.
Jim:It's another one in
T.C.:the bank. Bing. Bong. Alright. Thank you everyone for listening.
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T.C.:De Witt.
Jim:I'm Jim Burzelic. I got a last name.
T.C.:What's your middle name? Michael. Fave no. What's your favorite song?
Jim:Oh, God. I will never get that joke.
T.C.:I will never ever get that joke. That's it. Jacob. Jingleheimer Schmidt. Sees his life's ass.
T.C.:I I I have a feeling I don't think there was any actor's choice. I think it's written into the script.
Jim:Sorry. I think it's written into the script that caster Troy is an ass man.
T.C.:He well, yeah. Because he grabs the girl's ass in the choir. Ass. Like like, he's all about ass. Revolts his daughter's ass.
T.C.:Well, he and
Jim:it comes up a bunch of other times.
T.C.:This place.
Jim:It comes up so
T.C.:many times. I will never be able to look at a butt again without hearing that in my head.
Jim:Without hearing a a Seinfeld bass hit.
T.C.:Face. Face off. I wanna take his face off. I wanna take his face off. Alright.
T.C.:Alright.
Jim:Let me I'm gonna
T.C.:take his face. Face off. Face off.