Hold for sound. There's an airplane flying overhead. Hold for sound. Every time I'm ever working on a film, we do a lot of that. Every time I'm working on a, know, the camera goes by.
T.C.:You know, it's like a consistent problem just because the the area we choose to film. Right? Yeah. And people start getting a little, like, agitated. I always remind you've been here as I've reminded people.
T.C.:Lord of the Rings had the same problem. They had to hold for airplanes when filming Lord of the Rings. So if Lord of the Rings, the most Oscar winning movie of all time I mean, Return of the King, had to hold for airplanes, it's fine that we're holding for airplanes. Right? So that should feel like a relief to people, I think.
T.C.:It should. But it doesn't?
Jim:But I I still have to hold for plane, and I don't want to.
T.C.:Let's just get it done. Just let's just let's just do it. Speaking of doing it, hello. Welcome to The Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. We talk movies all the time.
T.C.:In particular, we complain about the choices that films made that we've seen. I've I read this all the time. How do I screw this up? And, of course, as any good nerd does, we automatically assume that we could do better even with the demands and restrictions that clearly must have been placed on said production. I am T.
T.C.:C. De Witt. Joining me as always is my cohost, Jim, the dinosaur, Burzelic.
Jim:That's me.
T.C.:Jim, how you doing? I don't. We before we start
Jim:That's probably the best improv I've done for for my middle name. The middle name gags right there.
T.C.:That was the best way did. The dinosaur. Yeah. The reason I went to the dinosaur is before we started going as we're doing the mic check, I kept doing, get out of my dreams. Get in the front seat, baby.
T.C.:Get into my car. You know that
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Stupid, very naughty song.
Jim:I'm familiar with that song. Yeah.
T.C.:For some reason, my mind went from that to open the door, get on the float, everybody walking down and so and then that's why I jot it down.
Jim:That was the that was the jump. What
T.C.:how how
Jim:Although, I now had an idea for an episode based off of the the first song.
T.C.:Get Out of My Dreams? Yeah. What's what is your We
Jim:would we remake License to Drive.
T.C.:Oh, dude, can I tell you License to Drive story? I have a very clear Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you.
T.C.:Yes. And. Okay. The Bambi was re released into theaters in, like, 1980. I could look this up.
T.C.:Like Uh-huh. '88, I think. And my older sister was supposed to take me, my sister, and brother to go see Bambi, and it was sold out. So she took us to see License to Drive instead. And I've only seen License to Drive that one time when I was seven years old, and I can I can tell you pretty much everything that happened in that movie?
T.C.:It is It's amazing. I I remember that Heather Graham is in it. Yep. I remember the last line in the movie where his dad tries to give him the BMW that he always wanted that they destroyed over the course of the movie. Yeah.
T.C.:And Corey Haim looks at dad and goes, I don't need it. I got a Mercedes. Because that was Heather Graham's character's name, and she drives up, and he gets to date her in the end. Yeah. Corey Feldman's in it.
T.C.:It's like just a teen sex comedy. I remember he he had to get his driver's license with his twin sister, and she aced the test. And he screwed up on the test and, like, banged the keyboard, and all the power went out on all the computers. Oh, yeah. And because she aced the test and she was his twin, they assumed well, I mean, she got an a, so you got an a.
T.C.:So here's your license. And right as they're about to give it to him, the power comes back on. They realize he failed, he doesn't get his license to drive. Oh, Phil. Uncle Phil's in it as the driving instructor.
Jim:And his the way he does the test Yes. Is The coffee cup. He throws the clipboard out. He's like, this this isn't how I do it. And he has a a cup of coffee filled almost to the brim.
T.C.:No. Not almost. To the brim.
Jim:Yeah. And he puts it on the dashboard, and he says, if a drop of this falls, you he might not say he'd see he that's the that's the summation of the test. And he actually gets
T.C.:Actually, the whole test. Yeah. He, yeah, he gets through the whole test. Way to the parking lot.
Jim:A And girl comes running out. She goes, I got my license. Slams on
T.C.:the brakes.
Jim:And you see the coffee cup go end over end and hit uncle Phil right in the crotch. But it's empty.
T.C.:It's empty. So he woo.
Jim:Because he had been drinking it throughout the test.
T.C.:So you remember this movie as well? Yeah.
Jim:The the I I I don't the thing I remember the clearest is as they're messing up the car their grandfather's car or Corey Haim's Mhmm. Grandfather's car. Mhmm. And he's freaking out. Corey Feldman is is saying, don't worry.
Jim:I can buff it out. I can buff it out. Because he he keeps like, at earlier in the in the evening, he he does, like, pound out some dents to prove that he can
T.C.:Fix it.
Jim:Fix it.
T.C.:But they just devastate the car over the course. And and Heather Graham's, like, super drunk over the course of the thing. And
Jim:Yeah. Like like, wasn't she isn't it, like, she was, like, roofied? I don't
T.C.:think Yes. That seems it's the eighties. It was '88. It was 1988.
Jim:Perhaps she was just very drunk, but, like, thinking back now that I know about roofies, I feel like that's
T.C.:You know about the concept of roofies. Let's just be clear.
Jim:No. No. I'm not an expert in roofies. I I I'm not like I I know they exist, and I understand how they work.
T.C.:You need to continue to defend yourself.
Jim:Yeah. You well, it's it's like the of the dark arts, right, against the dark arts.
T.C.:Right? Need to know
Jim:about them. To defend against them.
T.C.:That's super shady right now.
Jim:Yeah. Referencing Harry Potter. Yeah. That that I'm gonna assume that's the part that makes me shady.
T.C.:Mhmm. Yeah. It's not the the fact that you know so much about roofies. Yeah. I'm not making any implications here.
T.C.:I'm sorry. I but I only saw the movie one time in theaters, and I remember that. I remember leaving the movie and Ali having to admit to my parents that, well, we didn't see Bambi, and then being told, like, there were words being said in that movie that you should never say. Because even though it was probably, like, PG at the time, they definitely were drop dropping f bombs.
Jim:I thought it was PG 13.
T.C.:I I see here. I
Jim:really thought it was.
T.C.:Let's go to the Wikipedia for it. Yeah. That's that's you know, any any eighties movie like that Mhmm. That you wanna, like, do a remake of, like, someone says Studio Demands remaking License to Drive, like, my first thought every time is to gender flip everything. Because, like Yeah.
T.C.:You know what? I cannot believe they haven't remade. And if you gender flip it, it would totally work. If you leave it as is, it would never work. Mannequin.
T.C.:How would they not remade mannequin? It would not work in this day and age to have a teenage boy who brings a sex doll to life in his bedroom. But if you gender flip it, it seems okay.
Jim:I think I think you could. I think there's a lot of humor to be had in that. But you could also gender flip it, and it would also be very entertaining.
T.C.:That just seems like the the simplest solution to remaking, like Is was it rated? What was it rated? I can't find it. I'm looking at the Wikipedia.
Jim:Yeah. I'm doing the vampire. So the reason I remember it so well is because it was one of the first movies that we that I remember we recorded on the VCR. So I feel like I watched that movie a lot because it was, like, one of four movies that that I had available.
T.C.:So you just what a weird of all the movies. You know, it was a simpler time back then before you could literally watch anything you want when you only had well, we got sword in the stone, freaky Friday with Jodie Foster, and license to drive. What are we gonna watch today? Oh, man. Who covered over half of Ghostbusters?
T.C.:Yeah. It goes from Ghostbusters, then halfway through turns into Weekend at Bernie's. What the hell? Weekend at Bernie's, Helen Mirren plays Bernie. What do think?
Jim:I'm in. Yes. So you don't know how accurate your your your list of recorded movies was.
T.C.:Oh, man.
Jim:It wasn't sword in the stone. PG 13. The very first movie we ever recorded was David the Gnome.
T.C.:Like, not even a movie. It's a TV show.
Jim:It it was it was a movie length episode Oh.
T.C.:I guess. Of father Downing Richard Richard Basley.
Jim:Okay. He was a tiny gnome
T.C.:Mister Cunningham was the voice of And
Jim:he rode on a fox. I remember it. We are
T.C.:all over the board really are. Yeah. That's fine. How are doing? I'm doing okay.
T.C.:Good. The I I had a whole vamp just, like, in the back of my head for calling you the dinosaur, but we went in a better direction. Did. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:That's good. David the gnome, license to drive to our younger viewers. Oh, boy. So so, yeah, what are we gonna do today? We actually have a pretty this is another request from our listeners.
T.C.:So It is. Let me get back to script here so that I'm I'm staying on point here. So where do we begin? Well, we have demands, and we need a studio to demand it. We have ourselves a growing list of demands from our listeners.
T.C.:So thank you very much, everyone,
Jim:who's Yes.
T.C.:We we're we're getting our cup runneth over, as I've said before. We've been getting some great ones.
Jim:We're Thank you very much.
T.C.:We we try to just glance at them before we start because we want to go in this as cold as possible. You know once again, they know what we're gonna do. Yeah. Because it's the title of the episode. Yep.
T.C.:So you can go over to studiodemandsit.com and submit a studio demand. You get to name your studio, tell us your demands, give us our give us your restrictions. Or you can also tweet at us. You can find us on Instagram and Twitter, Facebook, what have you. I'm sure I still have a Myspace somewhere.
T.C.:So, yeah, the the fun thing is some of the people's fake studio names are really, really great. Yes, sir. We're doing have the the one you laughed at? No. No.
T.C.:Okay. They're I mean, they're all
Jim:It's this it's still a good one.
T.C.:Bre burrito madness, I think, was last week. That was a really good Yeah. But today, submitted for our consideration where we we are gonna get a studio demand. The studio what studio has come to us today, Jim?
Jim:Led by the CEO, Tyler Tyler.
T.C.:Thank you,
Jim:leading the the studio. I gotta find a better way to to sell this.
T.C.:Anyway You're doing great.
Jim:His studio is named Groaning Pains Pictures. Groaning Pains. Okay.
T.C.:Well, what a very eighties thing to say.
Jim:Pains is, like, spelled like a name, p a y n e s.
T.C.:Tyler, is your last name Paine? Will, wait. Answer me. So silent.
Jim:His mic his mic is on mute. So so Groning Bay Paynes Pictures has hired us to come up with a movie for them. Mhmm. And what their demand is is come up with the versus movie no one realized that everyone wanted, not Marvel or DC or any major franchise. Get obscure and make my studio money.
Jim:Oh. So there's their demand is here's a bag of money. Make more of it.
T.C.:See, now this is what I wish would happen in real life, Jim. I wish people would just come to us with a bag of money
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:And say, make me a movie. Make me movie. Make me a make me a movie. A Versus movie. Yeah.
T.C.:A Versus movie. So, I mean okay. Versus movies that I can think of off the top of my head, you get, like, the there's one coming out shortly. It's gonna be King Kong versus Godzilla Sure. Batman versus Superman, or more precisely, the Superman because it was a legal dispute.
T.C.:Alien versus Predator, Freddy versus Jason, and then freaking sci fi has versus movies up the wazoo with, like, Komodo versus Cobra or, like, Megalodon versus shark werewolf or whatever.
Jim:What what what's what's the latest one I I heard about? It's I think is it mecca? No. It's it's Octo OctoShark versus
T.C.:werewolf. Like a werewolf whale? Yeah. Does someone turn I don't wanna know. Never mind.
T.C.:I don't wanna know. Remember x versus sever?
Jim:The That I was gonna I was gonna bring that one up. Yeah.
T.C.:The yeah. So the the versus movies, like, I mean, there's Freddie versus Jason. Freddie versus Freddie versus Jason, and this might seem like blasphemy for those fans of the of either of those franchise. That's my favorite one. I saw that in theaters three times.
T.C.:I have no love for Freddie or Jason, and I wrote a freaking Friday the thirteenth movie. But the one I like the most is Okay.
Jim:Eulogs. Okay.
T.C.:Yes. That did sound very
Jim:asshole. A big fan of Star Trek.
T.C.:Freddie versus Jason seemed like the it was just the right amount of stupid that I enjoyed it.
Jim:So out there, there is a script. I think it was the original idea for Freddie versus Jason. It was Freddie versus Jason Jason versus Ash. Like, Evil Dead, Ash? Yes.
T.C.:Oh. And from
Jim:what I understand, that script was actually really good. Oh, can you I have not gotten to read it. It's out there in the interworld.
T.C.:Well, hey. We have a bag of money. We do. Do would you well
Jim:Let's just do that one. Done. Well, episode done.
T.C.:Our our restrictions are very limited here. We literally have to think of two characters to smash against each other. Doesn't It have to be characters. Well, two properties. We just have to create a versus movie.
T.C.:So let let's let's just go off this Freddie versus Jason. We'll start here.
Jim:K.
T.C.:I like that movie. As I said, it's stupid. I think I did a we did a rewatchman of it, and I think I continued to enjoy how stupid it was. Are there any versus movies that you do enjoy? Do what do you think of Batman versus Superman?
T.C.:What do you think of Alien versus Predator?
Jim:I mean, we've talked about Batman versus Superman in a previous episode. I'm gonna plug listening to our other episodes.
T.C.:It has one of one of my favorite lines in all the episodes we've done where after we talked it, I talked at you for an hour and a half. You responded with, I think the studio just knew what they wanted. That'd be if we had merch, that would be Yeah. That'd be one of our I
Jim:think so. The studio knew what it wanted. Versus movies that I really enjoy. I I I do have a soft spot for just sort of the menagerie of sci fi original versus movies. Like, wolf were wolf whale?
Jim:Where where Well, not even that. Like like SS Stormtrooper versus Mansquito. You
T.C.:could've made that up. I don't know. I'm not gonna Google could've,
Jim:but I didn't. Each of those was their own movie, SS Stormtrooper. It's about, I don't I think they were even cloned, but, like, cloned super soldiers that that the Nazis make that that then have to be fought. I forget if it was actually a period piece or if they are somehow brought back in the modern day.
T.C.:Nazis in the modern day, Jim? Come on,
Jim:man. I know. That's really far fetched. So far fetched.
T.C.:But the thing
Jim:is they all looked like Hyde from league of extraordinary gentlemen. They were all like they they all kinda looked like that, but in not the Nazi paraphernalia. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:Like, what what because because he was CG. Like, the whole thing was CG. So it looked like this big, muscly rubber man. Right? The cartoon rubber man.
Jim:Since you love that
T.C.:sort of thing, are we gonna make a versus movie for sci fi? I I could. Just look around the room and pick two objects and add an animal to it. So we're going from a we're going at couch snake versus lizard fan. There you go.
T.C.:I've done it. Fan. Give us the money.
Jim:And then Mansquito had
T.C.:I forgot that was the same.
Jim:Parker Lewis from Parker Lewis Can't Lose.
T.C.:Oh, the Fairs People.
Jim:And in the commercial, it had probably the the best line in the movie. It's when he's he's yelling down the hall to get the attention of Mansquito. He goes, hey, Manskeeto. That's it. That's that's It's the so good.
T.C.:So are we gonna make a a crap person?
Jim:I don't think so. Because we
T.C.:said we need to make him money.
Jim:Yeah. That's that's the bottom line. So, actually, if we can make him money with snake couch or couch snake Versus lizard. Fan lizard Family. Because the animal should come second.
Jim:Mhmm. Unless it's a fan made of lizard. Yeah. Fam lizard. Cow couch snake.
Jim:Like, couch snake sounds like a thing.
T.C.:It sounds dirty.
Jim:Not yeah. Or or or or or, like, mean.
T.C.:I don't wanna dwell on couch snake.
Jim:No. Okay. I'll I'll
T.C.:Let let me let me let's let's talk alien versus predator for a moment here because No.
Jim:Let's not.
T.C.:No. I just
Jim:wanna just wanna let's let's it's the worst versus.
T.C.:The it's funny. I did not realize this till well after the fact that the first one's called alien versus Predator. Mhmm. And the second one is called Aliens versus Predator. I didn't
Jim:catch that.
T.C.:I did not catch that till well after the fact. But when that movie was being tossed around at Fox, the the legend is that Ridley Scott and James Cameron joined forces, went into Fox, and said, please do not make this movie. We will both make an Alien movie. I will write one, he'll direct it, and vice versa if you don't make this stupid concept that should never get made. And head of Fox, Tom Rothman, said, no.
T.C.:We're gonna make it.
Jim:I remember hearing that story.
T.C.:And now at the time of hearing that legend, I thought, oh my god. The two guys who created the Alien franchise wanted to come back and give you gold. Yeah. You turned them down to make a quick cash trick grab of Alien versus Predator Yeah. Which is a garbage film.
T.C.:Yeah. And it's PG 13. Yeah. After the fact, we did get Prometheus and Alien Covenant by Ridley Scott, so maybe we wouldn't have gotten the gold that I thought we would have gotten. Yeah.
T.C.:I I I and now Disney owns Alien, so we're definitely gonna get more of those. They own predator two as well. But, like, it Jeez. Is that that's a versus movie that initially people have been asking for since predator two when the the alien skull is on a wall
Jim:and people wanted out. Bad.
T.C.:There were books. There were comic books. There were video games.
Jim:The the the one specific graphic novel by Dark Horse, Alien versus Predator, was amazing. And the the movie cribbed, like, a handful of ideas from it, but not even like the good ones. Like, it was just like, oh, yeah. And the the one character, it'll be a woman who survives and joins forces predator. And we're gonna use these bits here like that.
Jim:Like, oh, I was just gonna have a staff with a alien Tail on it.
T.C.:Dipped in acid.
Jim:That was in that comic. So
T.C.:I'm not saying we pitch a Alien versus Predator movie because I'd just rather not. Besides,
Jim:we should sit My pitch for that would would be just take the comic and Zach Snyder that as your storyboard and just make that as a movie. It was amazing.
T.C.:There you go. I just don't is Zach Snyder gonna make it? No. Okay. Good.
Jim:No. I was trying I was trying to turn that into a verb, like, when you
T.C.:just Oh, right.
Jim:Just you just take a comic and you use just that straight as your storyboard. That's Make that. That's Zach Snydering.
T.C.:I get it. I approve of this. Hashtag Zach Snydering.
Jim:It it's the first time I used it. It might not where I I appreciate your approval. Don't know. It doesn't really roll off tongue.
T.C.:Hashtag snider in. Yeah. And, you know, I want you to save because you have either a predator idea or an alien idea that we should save for a future episode if anyone ever demands an alien and or predator film. Actually, that's what
Jim:it yeah. It's it's an alien versus predator movie with actually, it is one of these episodes now that I think about it. I came up with it long before we conceived this.
T.C.:This show. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. But it is it's If anyone okay. If I have to make an Alien versus Predator, and it has to be in the modern day.
T.C.:Mhmm. I don't wanna hear your idea. I want people to demand that.
Jim:That was that was that was the movie with the stipulation.
T.C.:If anyone wants to hear Jim's pitch I think it was for an Alien versus Predator movie, throw the demand at us, and you will get it. Because there are a couple of episode ideas we have where we've already preconceived. You know, that could be the episode where I do Dexter and you do Alien.
Jim:You're sure.
T.C.:We already have the idea all worked out. What a
Jim:what a wonderful combo.
T.C.:Dexter and Hammer. What a
Jim:weird what a weird
T.C.:episode. Yeah. So that being said, we could go the sci fi route and just pick two ridiculous monsters. But I think the real idea here is because he said, don't pick Marvel and don't pick DC. Right?
T.C.:He said, give us the team up.
Jim:Like, and and and sort of nothing nothing else. Like, a big franchise, you'd be like, oh, yeah. Totally. I'm I would expect them to make something like that.
T.C.:Like like, just literally outside my head right now, and it's both Fox properties. And I know we're kind of I we don't necessarily have to go this way, but why not John McClain versus a predator? He's already like, Danny Glover from predator two is very John McClain esque. He's already surviving by the skin of his teeth.
Jim:That's probably the nicest thing I've ever heard anyone say about Danny Glover in predator two. I love that movie, and everyone craps all over it.
T.C.:I I'm a fan of predator two as well. If I can plug my old YouTube series, my one minute rewatch of predator two, I praise it. But but John McClane versus robo no. No. Terminator.
T.C.:Like, something like again, two Fox So,
Jim:like, you got really close to d Dark Horse Comics. They had also done a whole lot of versus comics. So they did all the ones that you'd wanna see as well. They've done Robocop versus Terminator. Mhmm.
Jim:They've done all the other comic I think they've done Predator versus Terminator, Predator versus Robocop, Alien versus Robocop. They they they even did a triple at one point.
T.C.:Oh, like Alien, Predator, Batman?
Jim:Yeah. Something like that.
T.C.:Is there
Jim:I don't know Batman.
T.C.:Let's see if we can find Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies, I know, was a book that was adapted into a film that did fine. I'm sure there was Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters, which was the a spiritual sequel that the author did. Mhmm. I don't think they ever made that one into a movie. No.
T.C.:I don't believe so.
Jim:But someone else wrote, and they turned into a movie Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.
T.C.:Right. Yeah. What a ridiculous concept there. Is that Well,
Jim:so so here's the I love concepts like that, and I was super excited. And then the trailer came out, and I feel bad because I haven't seen that movie. It makes me feel bad. I feel that that it's that is a point of of shame in my life. But it sounds like could have
T.C.:been the ticket.
Jim:And for whatever reason, I should have been super excited when I saw, like, a vampire literally shatter a tree to to get it, Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. But I just rolled my eyes and thought it was too over the top.
T.C.:You want a serious
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Round Come on.
Jim:Take this seriously. I want a if he hunted vampire
T.C.:wanna see Alfonso Cuaron's Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter. So
Jim:what what It's it's funny because around the same time, I don't remember if it was asylum or another studio. They also made one, but that one was called I think they might have just reversed the title.
T.C.:Vampires versus Lincoln?
Jim:Vampire Hunter Lincoln or something like that. But I have a friend who he watched both of them, and he he is verified for me. I I still need to to follow-up to to confirm or not
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:That the janky knockoff version was actually better than than the the studio version that made it into the theater.
T.C.:Is is it Asylum that did, like, Atlantic Rim instead of just that's them? Yep. Oy. The only way I've seen Atlantic Rim is the Mystery Science Theater riff on it.
Jim:Nice. Nice.
T.C.:So what's our versus? What are we gonna verse each other? Oh, gosh. Okay. Is there an existing versus movie that you just wanna fix?
T.C.:Or do you wanna think
Jim:of Alien versus Predator.
T.C.:That's a different episode. I'm not I won't let you. Because when it comes out, I I think a versus movie is a good way to revive a franchise. Sure. Are there any any franchise characters?
T.C.:Like like, you love Evil Dead. That's one of your favorite shows ever.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And it's Ash versus the Evil Dead, and now that show has ended. Would you like to see Ash versus someone, like, bring him back in Bruce Campbell would do it like that. He wouldn't say no. Get Sam Raimi involved. He wouldn't he would say yes.
T.C.:If the studio came and said, give us Ash. Give us the Evil Dead versus what's the property you wanna mix this with? Legally Blonde.
Jim:Ash versus Legally Blonde?
T.C.:No? Sure. No. I don't wanna do that. I'm kidding.
T.C.:Come on. Is there is there does the versus idea work best in a horror and or action scenario? Because, like
Jim:I think so. Right? Because just that that that middle bit right there, the versus automatically conjures combat. Yeah. Right?
Jim:It's a it's very active conflict. Yeah. So it blends itself to genres of conflict, which is horror well, horror horror has been full of monsters fighting each other. Right?
T.C.:Like, we actually Frankenstein versus the mummy. Yeah.
Jim:Going going back we didn't even go back to the, yeah, the that classic era of cinema.
T.C.:Funny enough, we've done a Universal monster movie episode. We've done a Batman versus Superman episode. We've done a Terminator episode. Got it. It's hard not to, like, let's redo Batman versus Superman again.
T.C.:Here's my idea, Jim. And then I just play the old episode. Sure. Link link below.
Jim:Let let's see here.
T.C.:Because this this when when you go ahead. Keep brainstorming as I talked to our audience. When when You're better at vamping. When we decided to to do this episode, and and, again, we always decide last minute so we don't really have time to think of, we knew this would be a challenge for us because you what was the studio? Tyler over at at Growing Pains studio.
T.C.:Growing Pains, you didn't give us a whole lot to work with here. So we're literally got a blank
Jim:He gave us all the dollars.
T.C.:He gave us all the money, you said it couldn't be Marvel or DC. That's about it. But
Jim:Oh, see, I had taken that more as to be an example of what not to do. And then he said, like like, nothing you would expect. So so I was thinking to avoid we needed to avoid kind of known IPs. Like, we Okay. Needed we needed to dig deep.
T.C.:So John McClane versus Predator?
Jim:Sort of. But Die Hard, that's still that's still sort of a known.
T.C.:It's Die Hard with an alien.
Jim:Like like it is Die Hard with an alien. Like, what what about, like, Die Hard versus xxxx?
T.C.:Oh, man. Who who would you wanna see punched in the face more? Current John McClain or Vin Diesel's xxxxxxxx? Oh, I don't know. That's there's both those characters are so punchable.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, well, let's let's go let's let's kinda segue off of that. Maybe not triple x. That that might be worthy of a whole episode. Is the fast and the furious franchise ripe to be teamed?
T.C.:Well, we talked about this.
Jim:Fast versus furious. They haven't done that. I mean, they kind of have. They've done plots where it's like, oh, the family is turning on itself.
T.C.:Fate of the furious. You have evil Dominic Toretto. But do
Jim:a full, like, actual civil war where they turn where where it's like something happens and half goes to one side and half goes to the other. Yeah. They're
T.C.:against each other. Well, I mean, Vin Diesel and The Rock already apparently don't like each other.
Jim:Yeah. That's true.
T.C.:So you already have your team leaders. Yeah. You have The Rock over here, and you have Dom over there. So it's fast versus furious. I am on board for this.
T.C.:Yes. Oh my god. They missed a huge opportunity. I know you've complained about this before that it should have been Frank Martin from the transporter playing Jay Jason Statham should have been the transporter. Was straight up been the transporter.
T.C.:There. Fast versus Furious.
Jim:Now that I've caught up now that I've watched the whole thing, I I understand yeah. I understand why, except for Hobbs versus Shaw. I haven't gotten
T.C.:that yet. You've missed it.
Jim:Versus movie. There's no that's Hobbs and Shaw?
T.C.:Hobbs and Shaw. Yeah. They they
Jim:they The ampersand looks like a versus to me, apparently.
T.C.:It's a weird dyslexia. It is. It's very specific.
Jim:Kramer versus Kramer.
T.C.:Oh, that's the best team I've ever Man, that fight scene? Oh, man. Dustin Hoffman takes a chair and shatters it over Meryl Streep's back. The little kid's going, no. It's that's intense.
T.C.:The choreography in it, the the wire work Uh-huh.
Jim:I believe it. Is is good. Some good times. That was the the, beginning of industrial light and magic.
T.C.:It's true. Like, it's it looks like the raid. Like, I've seen people mistake one for the other. Right? Because, like, that fight scene between them
Jim:Oh, yeah.
T.C.:It looks like the raid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. While they're giving the dialogue from the the courtroom sequence.
Jim:Well yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:It's brilliant. It's my favorite versus What were we talking about? Fast versus Furious?
Jim:Fast versus Furious. That's right.
T.C.:Do you think the last one's gonna be called fastest?
Jim:I don't think there will be a last one. Oh, my god.
T.C.:They're going to space. You know that. Right? Yeah. Oh, can the fast and the furious meet the fantastic four?
T.C.:Fantastic versus furious. Fantastic furious? Fast and the fantastic.
Jim:All of those work. The fan the fast the Fantastic Fast and the Furious four.
T.C.:No. No. The Fantastic Fourius.
Jim:Fourius.
T.C.:Yeah. It's the four. Fantastic. Furious.
Jim:Oh god. But it's Could we write a mashup script that, like, sounds and feels like fast and the furious, but it's the fantastic four?
T.C.:It's gotta be the Josh Trank crap fan the fan four stick.
Jim:Oh my god. Oh, it'd be great. Because because Vin Diesel Vin Diesel can play Reed Richards.
T.C.:Why is he no. No. He's not
Jim:the leader. He's the leader of the family.
T.C.:No. He's the he's he's the he's the Reed Richards of the furious group. We have Miles No.
Jim:I'm doing a different one. I'm doing one that's a mashup. I'm taking this episode off the rails. I refuse. I refuse.
T.C.:Freaking Johnny Storm is a street racer in fan four stick. It all it's writing itself. Him and Tyrese trading trading barbs. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Reed just twisted oh, no. It'd have to be the thing. He said the thing versus the rock. Right? Yeah.
T.C.:Just them punching each other. We're both rock guys. Get it? Because he's the rock. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. And and the way we mix it up is we have the rock say it's clobbering time. Yeah. Oh. Oh.
Jim:And the thing goes, hey. That's my line. My line. Smash.
T.C.:The the the the rock headbutts the thing and chips off a little bit. Gosh.
Jim:That makes him mad.
T.C.:Yeah. Oh, yeah. There you wouldn't like him when that meant no. That's someone else's. Like, he just doesn't get to say anybody's catchphrases through through the whole thing.
T.C.:What's Sue doing? Sue's the only, like her and Michelle Rodriguez have a throwdown? Yep. Yep. Yep.
T.C.:They both bleed from the nose. Because, you know, when Sue uses her powers, she bleeds from her nose. It's too intense.
Jim:Oh, she's she's 11?
T.C.:Yeah. Didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah. Johnny Storm in a street race against them, and the car ignites into flames.
T.C.:But we've seen Vin Diesel race a flaming car We have. In Fate of the Furious.
Jim:He did. Yeah.
T.C.:I know He
Jim:raced it backwards. Oh, anyone. He did.
T.C.:We know way too much about The Fast and the Furious.
Jim:But, you know What have you done to me?
T.C.:It makes sense. You do live your life a quarter mile at a time. I do. Yeah. Furious fan furious?
T.C.:No. Fantastic Fourierius. The fast and the fantas fantastic Fourierius. There you go. No?
T.C.:Your your brain is churning. There's smoke shooting out your
Jim:ears right Yep. That's what happens when I when I'm silent.
T.C.:The the thing is, though, no pun intended, Fantastic Four is now owned by Disney, and Universal owns the Fantastic Four. So a true
Jim:versus it's a true versus movie.
T.C.:I think this is the one everybody wants. This should be the rest of the Everybody in this room wants this to be happening. Look. My cat's even been nodding in agreement. Fan the Fantastic Fourier is.
Jim:Alright. So give me a give me a plot. What?
T.C.:Oh my I've explained the plot. It's it's it what is the plot that's You
Jim:just said you just said fanforestic again.
T.C.:It writes itself. Okay. Okay. Actually, I wanna go back off of you thinking that somehow no. Dude, forget it.
T.C.:Let's lose the tranq. They the team the so he does become Reed Richards. He does get stretchy powers. The Rock does become the thing. Michelle Rodriguez does become
Jim:Sue Storm.
T.C.:Sue Storm. Yeah. So they they do go into space. They get the cosmic rays, and they become the Fantastic Four. Yeah.
T.C.:The fantastic four years. Fantastic four years. Fast and the fantastic? Fast fast tanting? Fastastic.
T.C.:The fast tastic
Jim:four years. Oh, no. Got tear woah.
T.C.:So I really hope that one guy who hates me laughing through episodes is listening right now. And this shit again.
Jim:Do they do
T.C.:Just hate listens to me.
Jim:Do they need to steal DVDs from doctor Doom?
T.C.:Oh my god. Players from doctor Doom? Is that is that the plot? Say we go back to the original plot.
Jim:I know.
T.C.:They they steal a DVD player that's supposed to be in a freaking museum, and they escape by going into space with a rocket that doctor Doom created. And then they get blasted by cosmic ray.
Jim:DVD player it's a DVD player that belongs to some cosmic entity.
T.C.:Like, Latu the watcher shows up. He's like, I'm tired of watching Earth.
Jim:Latu the watcher just watches stuff. He doesn't necessarily
T.C.:I'm not watching Earth. I watch DVDs. Someone stealing am not buying my collection again on Blu ray. I am sticking to DVDs.
Jim:I am
T.C.:not paying for a streaming subscription. Get me my DVD player back. Oh, so says Uatu.
Jim:So says Uatu.
T.C.:Yeah. Only one one group of people can get my DVD player back from doctor Doom.
Jim:The Fantastic Fourius. Give me
T.C.:the Fantastic Fourius. And they steal it, and then they escape on a rocket. Yeah. On the way back to the moon, they get blasted by cosmic rays, and the whole movie is doctor Doom trying to get his DVD player back. Not because he's gonna use it strictly on principle.
Jim:Oh,
T.C.:yeah. Nobody steals from Doom. And in this scenario, we can get who we have Tom Hardy playing doctor Doom.
Jim:Well, that's who we wanted That's
T.C.:who we wanted. Yeah.
Jim:In in our dream casting. I don't if we've ever said that on on air.
T.C.:So Tom Hardy plays doctor
Jim:We we want Tom Hardy to be doctor
T.C.:Doom. Sounds hilarious. But they would take it so seriously.
Jim:They don't have to
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:Because this is a serious movie.
T.C.:Yeah. This is like, they they do not they joke in movie. Fantastic and furious. Mhmm. There's not they take this so self serious.
T.C.:That's that that is one of the amazing things about the Fast and the Furious movies is that they they are not laughing at themselves. No. They are very earnest in their, no, we're saving the world. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:The Rock is gonna catch this missile on ice and The throw it at a
Jim:jokes are for Tyrese.
T.C.:Earn that paycheck, Tyrese. Boy. I just watched the cinema since for two fast two furious just randomly came up on YouTube. Yeah. That's I that's my favorite bad baddest one.
T.C.:This there you go, folks. That's our versus movie. Should we should we take our break here and come back with a different one?
Jim:Prob probably. Enjoy.
T.C.:Let's let's let's let's indulge. Let's just savor the fanforesctic furious. Fasstastic furious. Let's take a break here. Let's come back with some new ideas for some other Versus movies.
T.C.:Yeah. But I do wanna know if people are on board for this one happening.
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T.C.:Hi. And we're back. Here we are. You were just you just started an idea here, and I wanna I I wanted to get back on, Mike, to discuss it. Sure.
T.C.:We've okay. So we took a little time here. We're trying to think of some good Versus so you guys just don't have dead air of us thinking on the couch here. You suggested a Versus movie that never went across my mind because it's essentially a a fake biopic versus movie. So please present it to the audience.
Jim:So so the idea was it would be like a Hollywood land kind of movie, and it'd be about two people in the industry who just loathe each other. And actually, there was one done really recently with Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon played. And it's about an actual real life feud, and I can't remember the names of the women.
T.C.:Competing actresses?
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. And they hated each other. I don't it wasn't a versus movie. I mean,
T.C.:kinda was. I mean, that
Jim:that was the plot,
T.C.:but, like Right. Right.
Jim:Right. It wasn't the title. Lang versus Sarandon. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:They they portrayed real life actresses.
T.C.:So you're you're suggesting a two competing filmmakers who hate each other's guts. Yeah. And now in this regard, you it could be a send up of thing of what we get all the time, which is ants in Bugs Life, Armageddon and Deep Impact. Like, there's always Oh, perfect. Yeah.
T.C.:The studio is always trying to make something. The the what Katzenberg did when he left Disney Animation to try to beat Disney to the punch on certain things. Like Mhmm. Road to Eldorado was he stole that idea that would have been Kingdom of the Sun that ended up being Emperor's New Groove. There were certain elements.
Jim:Really?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know Yeah. Oh, okay. Because it it dealt with South America as an adventure move.
T.C.:So the it happens often in Hollywood where some studio is gonna make something so someone tries to beat them to the punch in a fashion. Yeah. Two Steve Jobs movies that came out at the same time. Right?
Jim:Yes. Yeah.
T.C.:It so it does happen. So playing up that angle that it really comes down to two competing they used to be friends. You would
Jim:you would the examples you said was was Cameron and Spielberg. Cameron. Not that not that in real life that there's any sort of competition there, but just using them as as an example of sort of, like, large larger than life reputations
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Who just don't like each other and are competing. And I I really like the phrase making movies at each other.
T.C.:They're they're making movies at each other. I think that's great. And I think in this scenario, it should be some auteur filmmaker versus some schlock. So it'd be like Nolan versus Snyder. Right?
T.C.:It someone who's like, you can make a Batman movie. I'll make a Batman movie. I mean So
Jim:so the only the the way I'd wanna start going with that, and I don't I don't know if would would be almost like an almost Amadeus type thing where it's like so great. Salieri.
T.C.:So so
Jim:Salieri's like like, how are you such a genius? He's like, I'm just knocking the mouth.
T.C.:Naturally good at this. Yeah. Oh, I'm a dazed. I'm assuming that was his voice.
Jim:It was. And he said his name all
T.C.:the time.
Jim:Yes. He said his own name.
T.C.:So so you're saying, like, a young upstart comes and starts, like, taking down a a No. I'm saying that's the way
Jim:I would wanna go by making them differently. Like like, making one an auteur and making one a schlocky filmmaker. Mhmm.
T.C.:But they both are successes in their own way.
Jim:Oh, I I I okay. I don't know. No. I I think I like the I I I wanna do like, it it's almost better if they're just too similar.
T.C.:Okay. So like a Michael Bay and a Zach Snyder. Yeah. Like, where it's just too close Yeah. Where you could confuse one for the other.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:I don't know if that's necessarily fair because Michael Bay it's so obviously his movie
Jim:is slapped the Bay and Zach Snyder is Zach Snyder with Michael Bayisms? Maybe
T.C.:maybe, like, a a JJ Abrams and a Michael Bay because Sure. I I some people would really take umbrage in me comparing the two, but let's take a step back and really consider that. Okay? Yeah. Is transformers all that different from what we're getting out of Star Trek?
T.C.:I mean It I mean, they're written by the same people, so that's also the
Jim:The robots aren't racist in Star Trek.
T.C.:They're not racist. They're racist stereotypes. Please, let's get this right here. So I like this idea that it's a fake biopic because then you would get multiple versus movies. In this movie, could have
Jim:clips of, like, ridiculous movies We could have the
T.C.:and Thoracic and the Furious.
Jim:Like, we
T.C.:can have that. Right?
Jim:We could. Yeah.
T.C.:We could have, like, a two I mean,
Jim:they don't we don't need to I we can. We can totally Analox. Versus Sept, this movie where it's these two filmmakers making versus movies.
T.C.:Right. Right.
Jim:But they can make other other things as well.
T.C.:True. But we're we're we're crafting a film that's about making films so that it would be a library of fake movies that
Jim:we're seeing.
T.C.:Absolutely. Which which can be fun. You look at, like Creme de la Creme. Oh, yeah. And it's So, essentially, all the movies
Jim:we've come up with. So, really, we should just make it about us if we were successful.
T.C.:But we hate each other. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. I
Jim:do not. You know, for for drama purposes.
T.C.:Purposes. Just we slap slate. That that's that that is an interesting idea. That would be presented as a biopic, a true story that's not really true to filmmakers make the decision.
Jim:There have been a few of those. Hasn't, like, Lonely Island or just Andy Samberg done a couple fake biopic? Sure.
T.C.:Pop star. Never stop. Never stopping was a fake biopic. Yeah. Anything Christopher Guest does is is presented as a documentary.
T.C.:Yeah. Not anything, but most of his material. And it was Betty versus Joan. That was the movie you
Jim:just saw. Versus.
T.C.:Yeah. No. Betty and Joan. Sorry. It wasn't it wasn't actually a versus movie.
T.C.:It was Feud, Betty and Joan. Feud. Yeah. Betty Davis and Joan Crawford competing against each other. So yeah.
T.C.:So I
Jim:I was thinking something like that was was sort of that premise.
T.C.:There's something Now that's that is an idea worth not I feel like a lot of
Jim:Does that now the question, though, is does that put butts in seats?
T.C.:Or That's the thing.
Jim:Guess what would be more contemporary is does that put eyes on streams?
T.C.:I don't think that meets the the qualifications that Tyler has given us. He said, give us a versus movie nobody knew they wanted, make me money. And I don't know if, hey. No one knew they wanted a fake movie about two fake directors making fake movies. Think what he's asking
Jim:for is say it like that, when that because that's that's essentially the elevator pitch.
T.C.:That's the deal.
Jim:It's I want that. Well, I think this
T.C.:is something we should just discuss off mic and just write it ourselves. Yeah. Done. Done. Got it.
T.C.:So I'm I'm gonna pitch a versus movie at you that that we can discuss. And and I presented this to you earlier, and you had you thought no. I I, yeah,
Jim:I have I have doubts.
T.C.:I think you could take the Brendan Fraser Mummy franchise and the Hellboy franchise and do Hellboy versus The Mummy and actually take Ron Perlman's Hellboy and team him up with Brendan Fraser's Rick O'Connell.
Jim:O'Connell.
T.C.:Yeah. Because Hellboy had been around since World War two, and it has been enough years past since the original mummy that there could be some age appropriateness to Rick O'Connell being the age Brendan Fraser is now, meeting a young, maybe not teenage, but just starting out Ron Perlman's Hellboy versus the mummy.
Jim:Like like, if Rick O'Connell never never left the The Middle East, never left, like, Egypt.
T.C.:Like, he became almost a a a a mummy hunter. Yeah. That became it no longer became another mummy. I hate mummies. Yeah.
T.C.:That that makes sense. And so
Jim:that that's why when the BPRD shows up with Hellboy
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Rick O'Connell's there because he's like, I'm on top of this.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Or or or they just need more help.
T.C.:Or or something like It's it's too Oh,
Jim:like in like in the original mummy when it was two different groups trying
T.C.:to find the tomb? Trying to find the tomb. That that Rick is fighting, and Hellboy shows up. They don't like each other. They are at odds, and then eventually have to team up to fight said mummy.
T.C.:And I'd even go so far as if and this is this works for this day and age. We saw the flop that was the Tom Cruise mummy. The Universal Dark movies aren't gonna work out. The third mummy was a flop. I say it's even Imhotep.
T.C.:Bring back Imhotep.
Jim:Oh, absolutely. And it's Imhotep was great.
T.C.:This is the third mummy movie that we didn't know we wanted, and now he's pissed. He's more than he was pissed before. Now he's really pissed. So and the the way special effects have advanced, the fact that the other Hellboy failed, we're just backtracking. Okay.
T.C.:Let's take it back to formula. The Brennan Fraser mummies did well. Imhotep was a great villain. Yep. The Ron Perlman Hellboys did great.
T.C.:It's a prequel to the first Hellboy with Ron Perlman.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Get Guillermo del Toro or was it Steven Summers is the Yeah. The director of these the Brennan Fraser ones? Yeah. Steven Summers who did the first GI Joe. Like, this is a a nineties, early two thousands action director anyway.
T.C.:T Del Toro produces, Summers directs. Like, this could be a fun old school popcorn flick Yeah. Teaming up Brendan Fraser as an aged Rick O'Connell who's probably lost there's no way Rachel Weiss is coming back. She won't come back for the third. So he's lost his wife under either she's deceased, killed, or divorced him.
T.C.:So he's
Jim:I I see Rick O'Connell being divorced. Yeah. Like like, the family didn't want any more mummy shenanigans.
T.C.:And he stopped being surprised by mummies and started seeking them out. Yeah. And so he he is a mummy hunter. That's all he has in his life. Yeah.
T.C.:So in an aged scenario where we're we're around World War two era, he's seeking out a mummy, the BPRD is gonna be called in with a young Hellboy. They would cross paths. Yep. And then you just follow some pretty fun action adventure beats, having them they have to fight. So Rick O'Cowell versus Hellboy at first.
T.C.:They fight for a bit, then they're friends. I know that's pretty standard versus style movie making. But
Jim:No. It's it's it works.
T.C.:There's some excitement. It's a fun action movie, and it the genre the these two franchises would blend together rather nicely. And you know what? Rick and The Mummy, they were always the mummy the first mummy, I think, is the best sure. You're Indiana Jones now that we'll ever get.
T.C.:I think it's not Yeah. He's not Indiana Jones. He'll never be Indiana Jones. But as close as possible, that first mummy
Jim:It that it was that same sort of fun adventure feel.
T.C.:So to see Brendan Fraser's Rick O'Connell punch a Nazi in the face? Hell, yeah. We let's go we're going full Indiana Jones on this.
Jim:And that's when he and Hellboy become friends.
T.C.:Hey. Nice punch. Yeah. Like, that there you go. I think that would be a fun I've I've I'd be into that.
T.C.:I think that'd be good. I think the studio would love it too because it's like, hey. This thing's already printing money itself. You can promote this by saying Brendan Fraser's back, Guillermo del Toro. See, like, what you loved about these two franchises are they're back.
T.C.:Sure. And we're making a movie combining the two. Sure. That's everything that a versus movie should be. Boom.
T.C.:So you're gonna say no to this.
Jim:Well, the reason is on the technical parameters. I don't know at what point a franchise goes from being minor to major.
T.C.:And okay. So The minor
Jim:in Hellboy. Yeah. One of one of the the stipulation was no major franchises.
T.C.:So does the and I'm saying the Mummy and Hellboy are b list at best. I don't think they're major franchises.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:And and that's to be.
Jim:Which is why I didn't interrupt you right away. I wanted to hear the whole pitch.
T.C.:Oh, good.
Jim:I and this this one might fall flat. I'm gonna go with another original. Mhmm. I have another verses. Okay.
Jim:And it it also goes into movie curses, which might make it not so good.
T.C.:It's Don Quixote versus Moses. What is it?
Jim:That's really Versus Hercules. Eskimo. And what's the what's
T.C.:the The nook of the North?
Jim:Yeah. Nanook. Don Coyote versus Nanook of the North. Now I wanna do that, actually. What were
T.C.:you gonna do? That's right.
Jim:What I was gonna say was Mars versus the Hollow Earth. Okay.
T.C.:So those who might not know Yeah. Do you wanna explain
Jim:the Mars curse? You go ahead.
T.C.:Any movie that has Mars in the title has been a box office failure. Yeah. Martians, for whatever reason in the modern era of cinema, tank. Yep. Mission to Mars, Ghost of Mars, Mars Needs Moms, Attack Mars Attacks.
T.C.:Even Mars Attacks, you're like, oh, I like Mars. It was a it was a failure at the time.
Jim:Even when honestly, it you could probably I'm pretty sure even movies that just have Mars in them
T.C.:Like John Carter. Yeah. Was originally John Carter of Mars.
Jim:They cut off the of Mars. Oh, wait. We need
T.C.:to cut the curse off. Just cut off of Mars. No. People will know.
Jim:Yeah. I think the Martian is the is the one that finally broke that curse. Right. Right.
T.C.:Right. Yeah. That would be the one successful Mars movie. So you just said Mars versus what? The Hollow Earth.
T.C.:Okay. You're gonna have to explain the Hollow Earth.
Jim:So the Hollow Earth is this sort of it's not really I guess it's a little bit of a conspiracy theory. It's more like a like a a legend or a or a myth, la Bigfoot or Loch Ness monster. It goes Great movie. Really, really, really far, though. The Hollow Earth is this theory that there is a journey to the center
T.C.:of the Earth.
Jim:That is a story about the Hollow Earth.
T.C.:Is that the Conan Doyle? Sir Arthur Conan Doyle did I
Jim:thought that was Jules Verne.
T.C.:Anyway, continue.
Jim:Anyway, so so as an example, it goes back that far and further. The the the this idea of the hollow Earth that inside the Earth there is there is there is more land mass and there's giant bodies of water in that.
T.C.:There's another Earth under.
Jim:Yeah. Like like like, you literally like, it wraps around. And when you're inside, it's not that there's there's different people have proposed different ways to think about it. Some that it's an it's this onion skin. Right?
Jim:So gravity pulls us down toward the center of the earth. Some people you when you get to the hollow Earth, it's just sort of this cavern world where you're still being pulled toward the center. That one's not cool or fun. The cool or fun one is one where you go into the hollow Earth and it literally the entire Earth is hollow. So there's landmass on the other side of our landmass.
Jim:Mhmm. And there's there's oceans down there as well.
T.C.:So, like, being inside of a globe. Yes. And the gravity is pulling. Yes. To outer space, essentially.
Jim:And there is basically a tiny star as the core of the Earth.
T.C.:And that's the sun.
Jim:Yeah. For for the hollow Earth.
T.C.:For the
Jim:hollow Earth. And and so, like, so in the hollow Earth, the sun never sets. And, like, there's dinosaurs there.
T.C.:Mhmm. And there's The land that time forgot. Yeah. Kind thing. This is a wonderful, fantastical it's a very pulpy era idea.
T.C.:Very much. And there are people who believe it as fact. Just wanna throw that out there.
Jim:Actually, yes. Last I checked, which, to be fair, was maybe almost ten years ago now. But at that time, somebody was actually selling tickets for a a cruise slash expedition to where one of the openings is supposed to be
T.C.:No.
Jim:Near the Arctic Circle.
T.C.:They have advanced beyond this now. Now the Earth is just flat.
Jim:Yes. There you go.
T.C.:So okay. So it's hollow Earth versus Mars.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:How do you so do Mars what what is the comedy? You're picking two very I don't know if this is gonna make money. You're you're picking a curse you're picking a cursed idea, which has anything to do with Mars, and you're picking a very dated pulp idea, which is hollow Earth theory.
Jim:So what I would wanna do is I would want the marsh the Martians would be the invaders because that because they are. That's what they that's what they do. They are the aggressors. They come from the planet of war. Blip blorp.
Jim:And so when they show up, I'd wanna do at least homage stuff to War of the Worlds and when the tripods came and all that Mhmm. By having having the the Martians be in, like, three legged robotic vehicles and stuff. And probably what I'd have happen is they would just invade Earth and they would start devastating Earth. And our main characters would be Earthlings who are like, oh, no. And then suddenly a new titanic group emerges from beneath the Earth to fight off the Martians.
T.C.:Oh, okay.
Jim:And that is like super advanced tech. Like like, imagine so the Hollow Earth is usually portrayed the people there are portrayed as as more Cave people. Yeah. But I would wanna do a more like how Atlanteans are normally portrayed, like
T.C.:Way advanced
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:But also medieval. Yeah. Okay. Oh, let me Yeah. Let let me let me add to this.
T.C.:I like where you're going here because I think there's something here. Martians attack Earth. We get a straight up War of the Worlds rift. Yeah. One night, the Martians showed up.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:They attacked Earth. They pinpointed certain locations. The battle begins, and then the next day or the day after, they're gone. They didn't leave Earth. They just vanished.
T.C.:And then the investigation shows they went into the Earth. And so then the humans go down
Jim:see characters have to investigate.
T.C.:Where did they go? They go into the Earth, and then they discovered this Hollow Earth Atlantean style war that's happening in the center of the planet. And so now human surface dwellers versus aliens versus inner Earth people. Okay. So that that that gets your conflicts at the center of the earth that they came from outer space.
T.C.:They came from outer space for the center of our earth? I don't know. I'm trying to think of it like
Jim:God. That's it's better than than whoever wins, we lose.
T.C.:I mean That's the alien versus predator.
Jim:It is. And and and just going back on that to that real quick, that sounds super catchy. Mhmm. And then you think about it for a moment, and it's absolutely accurate. The audience loses.
T.C.:We did lose. We did lose. It didn't matter who won in Alien versus Burger. We, as the viewers, lost. Martians come to Earth.
T.C.:They attack Earth. War of world sadly disappear. We don't know where they went. We find out they went into the center of the Earth. We go in the center of the Earth.
T.C.:Holy cow. There's a whole another world under here we didn't know about, and there's a war happening. So did the humans have to team up with this the earther nope. Let's not call them that. The the Hollow Earthers.
Jim:Hollow Holloweens?
T.C.:The Holloweens. That's terrible. Yeah. That's terrible. Josh Holloween.
Jim:The insiders. The insiders.
T.C.:We're the outsiders. Hey. A bunch of Socs from outer space are gonna get you. Stink all them, holy boy. Yeah.
T.C.:The Outsiders versus the Martians. Hold the phone here, Jim. I got the movie for you. Set it in the fifties. They cut greasers versus aliens.
T.C.:Yeah. I thought I hated Socie's, but you guys are worse. There it is. Sorry. I I I I derailed here.
Jim:No. That that's okay.
T.C.:Take me back to the center of the earth.
Jim:And yeah. So then so then we get dino riding techno folk Mhmm. Who've been living inside the earth just being awesome. Yeah. Having to war with these weird looking green Martian dudes driving around in three legged three legged war machines.
T.C.:May may I ask what type of Martians we're looking at here? Now are we talking that like No.
Jim:No. We're gonna make up our own.
T.C.:Okay. Are they gonna be you know, I'd just to use what we are familiar with, something in the vein of, like, Klingons that are very they're a warring, intelligent, angry planet of of
Jim:It it's gonna be I I think it'd be that attitude. Mhmm. But I'd wanna go with something so I don't know why. I'd really like to do eye eye stalks. Think eye eye eyes at the ends of stalks.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:But that might be too cartoonish.
T.C.:See, it's hard to take it that as a threat.
Jim:It is. I'm just gonna, you know
T.C.:That can be
Jim:muss up your eyes.
T.C.:I'm so disoriented. And then that goes that tells you what kind of movie you're getting. Yeah. It's gonna be a goofy movie, but not a goofy movie like, you know, I mean, like a silly movie. Goofy versus the greasers versus the
Jim:In the Hollow Earth.
T.C.:In the Hollow Earth. Yeah. It's too many ideas. The studio said no. I I see what you mean with, like, wanting the eye stocks and giving them a very alien look.
T.C.:But in order to take them as a serious threat, I think they need to be as humanoid as possible.
Jim:No. Actually, I think I think you can so embrace the tripod thing. I think they'd be three limbed or maybe three legged and three armed and just go with threes Mhmm. To to embrace the whole that that the the War of the Worlds Mhmm. Homage angle.
Jim:And and you can still I think you can still do them in a way to so they'd be tri pedal, not bipedal Mhmm. And and still make them really creepy looking.
T.C.:So so more creature y, more original Independence Day Yeah. Creature. Yeah. Okay. I could I okay.
T.C.:Making them gross, making them practical.
Jim:Oh oh, in the link, why are they doing this? Why are they fighting the Hollow Earth people?
T.C.:I was
Jim:wondering Pyramids.
T.C.:The pyramid. That's it. That's just
Jim:the answer. Yep. That's the answer. So we get to the Hollow Earth, we find out that so there are theories that the pyramids are are sort of like buildings of power. Mhmm.
Jim:And it turns out in this world, they actually are. And it's the Hollow Earth people who make them. And it's why it's why the pyramids on our surface, we just think they're tombs, and they're they're old buildings that people put too much effort into because we don't know how to use them.
T.C.:Yeah. They didn't have Minecraft back then. They literally built things out of
Jim:rocks. Exactly. Yeah. Whereas the Hollow Earth people use them as power sources and and and stuff like that.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And that relates to Mars because the were there actual yeah. I think there are pyramids on Mars. There's there's things that appear to be pyramids. Well, in this, there are there are pyramids on Mars and the Hollow Earth people using their technology. So why didn't we ever see them take off?
Jim:Maybe we did. Maybe that's what UFOs have been, or maybe they have teleport technology. Mhmm. And they stole whatever power MacGuffin from the Martian pyramids.
T.C.:Okay. I'm liking this. I'm gonna add to it. K. The Hollow Earth people are the original inhabitants of Earth They but they were not from Earth.
T.C.:They started on Mars. There was a war there that they escaped from the Martians that are coming to attack them. K. They stole the power source to escape to Earth, and then they hid inside of Earth and develop their their world hidden underneath the surface. And it took this many centuries for the Martians to redevelop their power source that they now can hunt down.
Jim:So the Martians are mutated Hollow Earth people?
T.C.:I wasn't gonna go that far. I was maybe the Martians are invaders or, like, if you wanna think
Jim:So they're they're they're aliens from yet somewhere else?
T.C.:Like, they they tried to take over the planet, and the way they were defeated was the Martians marooned them there and escaped. Now it's been all these centuries of the Martians trying to develop their technology to find the power source they need to get back to where they came from. They found the Martians. They're hiding they found the original Martians. They're hiding in the center of that dumb third planet.
T.C.:Yeah. Let's go get it. It's a revenge a bit of a revenge, which is which would work to the pulpy adventure sci fi old school kind of attitude of a film. Me? Maybe?
T.C.:Yeah. I think there's some there's some fun. I
Jim:Actually, was there I I believe there was a final stipulation that we didn't
T.C.:It was make him money, I think, was the the third stipulation.
Jim:Yeah. Actually, I was thinking of a different
T.C.:How how do you how how does this make money? Does this come down to cast? Does it come down to the aesthetic? Because Mars movies are cursed. I don't it doesn't make sense to me that alien attack movies don't do very well in this day and age.
T.C.:Why? Why? Like, the best alien attack movies we get is when it's a faceless CG horde of Thanos attacking a bunch of superheroes. People aren't going for the alien horde.
Jim:Yeah. It's interesting that you you point that out. That that is true. I I guess because we had Thanos' face and we had Thanos' dogma and and and and motivation Yeah. To to focus on.
Jim:Because I think I think the reason other ones don't work is I think I think as a society right now, we're we're a little bit we don't so much like othering people anymore. Like, well, no. There's motivations for things. Why are people doing this?
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:It's no longer just, we gotta defeat the other. Gotta get them.
T.C.:I I see that that could be misinterpreted if you look at it from a conservative perspective, if you look at it from a liberal perspective, the othering of an alien attack, you kinda lend your it unfortunately lends itself to some political leanings, and I could see wanting to avoid that. So it it's just interesting to me because
Jim:Which it, you know feels kinda flat. Like, why are they invading us? No. I don't know. Because they don't like us.
T.C.:They got the power they want the power source. Yeah. Okay. So I could see that would be a problem in will this make money? And then it goes into, well, I mean, if you're right in a certain way, if it's acted and cast a certain way, then it'd be like, whose side are you on?
T.C.:Are you with the Martians? Are you with the inner earth people? But then you're kind of pick a side kind of attitude Yeah. And the humans are stuck in the middle.
Jim:It it still feels rather premise y. I don't I don't we don't really have a plot.
T.C.:Yeah. I'm I'm and that's where I feared that a movie like this though it's I've certainly, this could be a cool movie, especially dealing with these two very cool old school ideas. Mhmm. But how do you sell that to a mass audience, which I think is what the studio would be asking us? This is a cool idea, but this doesn't sound like this doesn't sound like a blockbuster.
T.C.:This doesn't sound and and space attack movies fail. Who wants to see a journey to the center of the earth? Like, I'm just challenging you as a studio right now. Yeah. Is there a way that you can is there some element of this pitch that I'm missing?
Jim:Well, I'd so I can sell you I I think I can sell you on a journey to the center of the earth movie. I think I could sell you on a Martian attacks movie. I don't know if I can I I need Jim needs some help selling you on a mart an alien invasion of the center of the Earth?
T.C.:Well, I gave you I gave you a black hat.
Jim:We're following yeah. And and and and that kind of works.
T.C.:I'm I'm At least to get the action started. Yeah. But what's the big
Jim:arc here? So the characters that we're following, then they're like, oh, where'd they go? Or were they went in this big hole that they made? Let's go in there. And we go down the hole.
Jim:Okay. And now we're in the hole and, oh, shoot. War. It's a whole bunch of war. Let's go home.
T.C.:I may have an idea of how how you could could present this in a fashion that make may may want peep could get butts in the seats or eyes on the streaming. And it would be a matter of casting it with people who have previously been not re not becoming their characters again, but sort of in an Expendables fashion, having having Will Smith play his Independence Day like character again. Having having Matt Damon be a Martian expert, something like that. If you cast it with people who aren't exactly playing their characters again but are pretty darn close to someone they've played before, that maybe that could be a way to sell it. Maybe.
T.C.:Think of think of the Alien Attack move like, Independence Day is the most successful Martian Attack movie that I can think of right now. Sure. So having a Jeff Goldblum scientist character, is he playing the the character from Independence Day? No. Nope.
T.C.:Nope. Nope. But he's in it, and he's got a computer. And he's sure is darn close. I feel like that would be a way to trick people into thinking, oh, is this it's Jeff Goldblum playing one of his most famous characters, the Independence Day guy.
T.C.:Well, not really, but sure, if you wanna believe that. You see what I'm saying? Like, if they play versions of the if we cast actors who've been in movies like this before and they're sorta playing I'm what I'm trying to do is think if this works in the versus idea of taking of dusting off old ideas.
Jim:Oh, I oh, see. Oh, okay. I guess I guess that that was an approach I sorry. I'm talking around the mic.
T.C.:You wanna talk at me. I appreciate it.
Jim:Yeah. That was an approach I I really wasn't taking into account was that the verses is necessarily playing upon existing things.
T.C.:I I'm just presenting that as a way to answer the studio's demand
Jim:And I'm I'm of
T.C.:making money.
Jim:I'm okay. I'm okay with with that casting. I'm okay with with castings like that. What I'm thinking is as far as the plot goes, like, as far as the the pacing and the feel of it, I I think it would be pulpy kind of like the mummy, the way you brought that up. The the mummy was, right, very very not not tongue in cheek, but it was it was
T.C.:It was fun. We don't get action adventure movies anymore. Like, very rarely get specifically adventure films.
Jim:And that's what I'm thinking this would be.
T.C.:One liners Yeah. Tongue in cheek, like, wearing that sleeve, like, yeah. This is a a very silly idea, and we're cool with that.
Jim:Yeah. And at the and, you know what?
T.C.:You're not wrong because I think audiences are willing to accept Hobbs and Shaw, which is a freaking cartoon. It's and I you say it all the time. Fast and the Furious is Hot Wheels
Jim:It's the the movie.
T.C.:Yeah. Each car has its own personality. Yep. It's the person driving it. Yep.
T.C.:So I think people are willing to accept with the right casting a cartoon of a film that's got a silly ass plot like this.
Jim:And so so what what the the plot what I'm thinking is, so after the Martians disappear, there's actually maybe a little bit of in world time, like, maybe, like, a week of people panicking, not knowing what the heck happened. Mhmm. And crazy expert comes forward who knows what's happened. And he through through shenanigans, gets ahold of some generals who he convinces. Mhmm.
Jim:So this is our wacky science character. And he has figured out it was the Martians. Like like yeah. Martians. Exactly.
Jim:Yes. Yes. It's the Martians. They've they've figured out the Martians not only have they burrowed into the earth, he he he, like, deciphered their signals or whatever. Mhmm.
T.C.:It's Messages to It's counting down. So eventually, it'll be done. Yeah. They they actually a very good Jeff Goldblum. I'm trying.
Jim:You're doing a fine Jeff Goldblum. I'm just trying to get to the McLaughlin.
T.C.:Go. Go. Go.
Jim:No. You're not interrupting. I I'm just taking a long time to
T.C.:get there. I am literally interrupting.
Jim:See, this is where you'd be interrupting.
T.C.:I because I completely derailed you of your thought. Mhmm.
Jim:Whoever they're attacking, they're very mad at them, and they are going to get some they're they're
T.C.:They took our power source.
Jim:And they plan on blowing up the earth.
T.C.:Like you do. Classic aliens.
Jim:There's no reason they wouldn't want to. Right? Like, that's where our that's where our enemies live.
T.C.:We are gonna give them the power source they stole and
Jim:then the Give explosive finger.
T.C.:This is the explosive that I'm I want you to know I'm doing this as hard as I can. The moon and nights. Yes.
Jim:Oh my god. I just
T.C.:thought I had to end
Jim:this movie. Because so that a nice big over the top pulpy plot. Right? It's an end of the world scenario, and that's why it's important to the people of the surface.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. It's because, hey. We're on the outside of this candy shell. We don't want to be blasted apart.
T.C.:We should figure out a peaceful resolution to this Yeah. Or how to destroy one or the other. Yeah. Sure. I I think that gets the the more or less the earthlings, the surface dwellers involved in the plot.
Jim:Yeah. So they so they quickly assemble their, you know, their their a their a team Mhmm. With this scientist, with this this kooky guy. And they
T.C.:It's Aaron Edgard from the core. Or was that Thomas Jane? I always confuse the two.
Jim:I like Thomas Jane. It's Thomas Jane.
T.C.:Okay. Alright.
Jim:And they send them. They send them to the the Hollow Earth where they then have adventures. They encounter both sides. Maybe they try to convince the the Hollow Earth people who are like, no. We don't like any of you.
Jim:That's why we've never talked to any of you.
T.C.:Yeah. Have you been to the surface? We've seen what you ended up doing with your side of the planet. We're fine.
Jim:Yeah. Or or maybe maybe they're they're all they're they're not now, like, super hostile.
T.C.:Like Oh my gosh.
Jim:You're next kinda kinda thing.
T.C.:They gotta have a young inner earther who's like I knew there were people on the surface. I've always known there were people on the surface. No one ever believed me.
Jim:Terrible, and that has to happen. Awesome.
T.C.:It's okay. I I have a way to end this movie. Uh-huh. After whatever this isn't the ending, but it's after the ending. Okay.
T.C.:After the alien the Martians are defeated Yep. The we get a a a game is on teaser moment for what will be the sequel. Obviously, we wanna see this.
Jim:Obviously. Yeah.
T.C.:That after all is said and done and pieces met and the the surface dwellers in the inner earth, the people are like, okay. We'll get along. Uh-huh. We hint that there are people on the moon Oh. Who are the next Sure.
T.C.:To attack. Sure. Yeah. That that there are moon and nights.
Jim:I was I was gonna say you just do the reverse, Earth versus the versus hollow Mars. Oh,
T.C.:we're taking the foot no. Because that's that's how Independence Day Resurgent ended where they're like, now let's go get them. And the last line in Independence Day Resurgence is Brett Spiner's character basically looking straight at the camera and saying, we're gonna kick some alien ass. Roll credits. I shit you not.
T.C.:That is the end of that movie. Cool. Alright. This is this is a wholly original versus movie. Yep.
T.C.:And I like it. And I think that this meets several of the demands of our studio of of Tyler and, Groaning Pain's studio. We've had plenty of plenty ideas that I think would probably make many people have grown listening to this. I think we need to try to come up with one more Okay. I that could that will make money.
T.C.:This this is a great idea. I think you and I would love it. I think it would find a place on sci fi or if Netflix wanted to put money. Netflix loves making crappy sci fi. Like, I heard another life or another earth, whatever the another the the current Katie Sackoff show.
T.C.:I hear it's trash.
Jim:Really? I heard it's good.
T.C.:I heard bad. So Netflix would be on board for trash may be good. But I think what Tyler might be asking for here is a versus movie more towards the Hellboy and Mummy kind of idea. Now granted, we've given you gold, Tyler. You got Mummy and Hellboy.
T.C.:Yes, please. You got Hollow Earth versus Martians and our our our cash cow, fantastic four and fast and the furious.
Jim:Well and and the the the biopic. Oh, okay. Yeah. We we never decided on the the the celebrity type, the Cameron versus Spielberg. I love that that
T.C.:versus Two older filmmakers at the end of their charisma.
Jim:Or Abrams versus Bay. That's actually pretty good too.
T.C.:Yuvai Ball versus Olympi what's that guy's name? The guy who does the Taken movies. Oh, yeah. I actually, if you wanna go back on that rift to to make pure crap, like a movie so bad like, intentionally just dog Freiberg versus Seltzer. This the parody movie a holes who make, like, big movie and disaster movie.
T.C.:It's just those two dinguses trying to make a Just trying to movie that they've ever been involved in.
Jim:It would it would be.
T.C.:Because it would be pointing out just how never mind. Don't wanna do that. They're Yep. They're the worst. So
Jim:anyway, three. We've we've done four. Four. We've done four. I don't feel
T.C.:comfortable with four in a scenario like this. I need a Okay. I'll be able to sleep at night if we come up with a fifth idea.
Jim:One more.
T.C.:I'm just gonna start rattling things off, and you tell me if you wanna go after any of them. Do you wanna do anything in the Unbreakable universe? Do you wanna see if there's a follow-up to Glass? We we both like the rundown starring The Rock. Is there another how that didn't get a sequel, I don't know.
T.C.:Yeah. I don't know. Wait. We we I what basically, what I did is I had a break. I ran into my old DVD collection, picked up a box, and dumped it in the middle of the living room and said pointed at two things.
T.C.:And I'm like, pitch black and firefly. Jim's like, no. Different centuries.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. I I don't think those sci fis mix well together.
T.C.:It is. Oil
Jim:oil and water. However, we did come up with, like, several halves. We have one we have one of the halves of the versus. Like, I think there's something to Napoleon Dynamite versus I don't know who.
T.C.:Like, there's there's another like, Napoleon Dynamite versus something Michael Serra has been in. Right? That's two awkward adults, man children.
Jim:Yeah. Napoleon versus super bad was
T.C.:was one
Jim:of the the the things I I
T.C.:And and, you know, by title alone, okay, tell me more. But I don't know what more to do with that because Napoleon Dynamite is such mundanity. And, you know, I haven't watched Napoleon Dynamite in quite some time. I wonder if it holds up. I it's this very you love it or hate it kind of film.
T.C.:Sure. Superbad is just well, just any Judd Apatow movie is basically a sequel unto itself. So where where is that in there? Like
Jim:Well, the the difference is Napoleon Dynamite has a a very subtle hyper real nature to it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's it's not just Napoleon Dynamite who's
T.C.:this this weirdo goof. Like The whole world is weird.
Jim:Everyone even even the cool jock kids are also kinda weirdos,
T.C.:like the
Jim:the way they're portrayed and stuff. In Superbad, it's about these two really funny awkward kids
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:But it's still a a rather real world. Right? Like
T.C.:Oh, sure. Like When I saw
Jim:teenagers are are doofuses and, like so the cops mess with them.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:But, like, nobody's hyper real in Yeah. I think And and it's also about it's a coming of age story.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. It's a life story.
Jim:The way I would wanna do it is would be a story about Napoleon Dynamite as an adult versus someone. And the super bad kids, as awkward as they are as kids, they might be awkward adults, but it's just gonna not really mesh with
T.C.:Yeah. I did there's Those
Jim:are Tina, come get your dinner. Eat eat some eat some ham, Tina.
T.C.:The you're right. That they're they're two diff they're two different universes. Two different. When I saw Superbad, I remember seeing it with my girlfriend at the time, and she was so, like, ugh, that's so fake. And I was like, dude, that is how 17 year old boys talk.
T.C.:I kid you not. That is one of the most accurate portrayals of American high school boys I have ever seen, and she was so horrified by that fact. Like, really? Like like, looking at your friend's mom's boobs? Yep.
T.C.:Mhmm. Yep. That's a thing. Sorry. Like, using the f bomb that much?
T.C.:Yes. Absolutely. That is totally a thing. Like, that's that's that's just the way. But you are right that those those are two different things.
T.C.:However, underneath that, when I tossed them on the table, Super Troopers Sure. Is cartoonish enough to
Jim:But crossing over with Napoleon Dynamite
T.C.:Well, now you're looking at a p g versus an r. So how do you blend those two universes? That's true. Because because Napoleon's
Jim:p g. Even then
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:It the the the super troopers are kinda self aware of their zaniness.
T.C.:Right. Right. Right. Okay. So let's let's let's try somewhere else here.
T.C.:So Resident Evil has has gone through its awfulness.
Jim:Another one I thought of that you you hadn't pulled one out was Underworld. The Underworld franchise being half of something. I don't know what it would be versus because it already is a versus universe. It's werewolves versus vampires. So I I don't really know what that would then verse.
T.C.:I how about okay. But what about taking let's
Jim:see. Like, Resident Evil would actually work if that franchise didn't get so big and crazy.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Yeah. Like like, if there was a way to rein it in, it's just sort of the idea of Resident Evil.
T.C.:Yeah. I think you'd have to take it back to
Jim:idea of Underworld.
T.C.:I think you could take Resident Evil back to formula. And how about how about this? Let's see. Okay. So we have Resident Evil in concept, not what we got.
T.C.:Underworld, more or less just off the first Underworld. What's another modern day action horror?
Jim:What was the the Russian one? Nightwatch.
T.C.:Nightwatch. Oh, could could is there something in creating a franchise Daywatch? Day Night Watch, Day Watch, and there was, like, a third one. Yeah. Crepuscular watch.
T.C.:Yes. Crepuscular in the Twilight.
Jim:Well, thank you.
T.C.:Yeah. The more you know. What about taking Resident Evil let's take Resident Evil. Yep. No.
T.C.:No. No. Let's not. Let's take let's take Underworld. So you got vampires and werewolves Mhmm.
T.C.:And they're already versus each other. The the idea of Underworld without because that's been five, six movies at this point, and throw them up against the Winchesters. Versus Supernatural? Yeah. Supernatural's ending its its epic run of a series.
T.C.:It's one of the longest running TV shows in American history. Why not give us a Supernatural film franchise and toss them at existing things. Hell, the third movie could you could bring Evil Dead into it.
Jim:How well do you know supernatural?
T.C.:Not very well at all. Okay.
Jim:It seems
T.C.:it seems like you'll
Jim:be able to to to fight them pretty well. The Winchester brothers have fought, like, literally everything.
T.C.:They've Okay.
Jim:So fought demons. Like, straight out of season one, they were fighting demons. But, like, they fought the devil. They fought angels.
T.C.:Okay. So doing a movie where they fight some vampires is nothing
Jim:is what you're saying? It's like a step back. Okay. Like, even even if they're vampires with machine guns.
T.C.:Okay. But see, you know, just like a a studio person who doesn't know what they're talking about, I pitched a concept where I have no I'm out of my element is what I'm saying.
Jim:I'm I I thought of while while you were spieling, I I thought of a a couple other move movies that are like Underworld. I, Frankenstein Oh. Was but but it was what was it? It was Gargoyles versus
T.C.:That's right.
Jim:Versus undead Was it Frankensteins?
T.C.:Frankensteins or something like that. Yeah.
Jim:So it could be gargoyles versus Frankensteins versus vampires versus lichens.
T.C.:Nobody's nobody's buying that. No one's buying tickets to that.
Jim:I I have one friend that that would They've totally love that.
T.C.:Friend would need to buy a lot of money to make up the budget on
Jim:this thing.
T.C.:It's true. Okay. I don't I don't know. I had I had I do think pitch black and firefly are in similar enough universes that you could cross them in some capacity. But, you know, if we're gonna get more firefly, I don't think I wanted it in a versus movie, to be honest.
Jim:Ocean's Eleven versus Gone in Six sixty Seconds?
T.C.:Okay. Gone in Eleven Seconds? Yeah. Gone in Ocean's sixty seconds?
Jim:Gone in 60 oceans? No. Are we are we just back to back to the first half
T.C.:of this episode? Now we're just now we're just kinda grasping at straws here. So there there have been taking taking, basically, public domain characters and spinning them into new concepts. I mean, Sherlock on the BBC is Mhmm. Arguably one of the greatest interpretations of Sherlock that has ever been put to screen in its modern day.
T.C.:I don't know if you remember Tin Man, the sci fi Wizard of Oz
Jim:series. Not quite a whole season.
T.C.:Yeah. I was just recently listening to that score because it's a really good score to write to. Is is there something in Alice in Wonderland meets Wizard of Oz?
Jim:Yeah. Wonderland versus Oz.
T.C.:Yeah. So take that there's a public domain. Those are very well known.
Jim:They Each of them have kingdoms with and with armies.
T.C.:Yeah. So you you could have Dorothy versus Alice. You got two main female leads with sporting cast of characters. You are
Jim:Oh, you have well, actually, the the the the good guys would have to team up. Right? So it'd be Dorothy and Alice trying to stop them. It would be the queen of hearts
T.C.:versus The wicked witch. The witch. Yeah. Okay. That there's something that's just outside.
T.C.:I think there's something there in that you could you could sell it. People are familiar with Wizard of Oz. People are familiar with Alice in Wonderland. They are public domain characters that cast some cool, give it a very I how would you aesthetically build this movie? Because I don't think the Tim Burton Wonderland movies would be the way to do this.
T.C.:It's too much green screen cartoonish garbage. I don't think it should be the once upon a time network TV modern reality of these characters. They're neat. I I I know I've already mentioned them more than once, but someone like Guillermo del Toro who can create a fantastical aesthetic to a film that had that's
Jim:yeah.
T.C.:Peter Jackson would be perfect for something like this. Oh, yeah. He has proven himself capable of a franchise. He has an indie sensibility that I think works well. Mortal engines was a failure, but what did you do to the cat?
T.C.:I don't know. She's having a little
Jim:Petting the cat, and she went crazy.
T.C.:So, like, getting Peter Jackson involved on this?
Jim:Yeah. I would be would be that angle. I'd I'd right. Like like, I think the way you do it is the same way both Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland established their their surrealness. You start with our main characters in the real world.
Jim:Mhmm. And because this would be coming after their original adventures, I imagine Right. They're adults now. Or not necessarily in full on adults. They're just obviously older than they were.
Jim:Right. They're being called upon again by the friends they made. They need help. The there there's a problem.
T.C.:There's a war going on in Imagination Land that we need.
Jim:Exactly. Yeah. And so they've been they've been summoned back.
T.C.:Okay. Could you flip it flip it a bit and have Dorothy being recruited by the Mad Hatter and Alice being recruited by the scarecrow, something like that. So just to twist it up a little bit. Yeah. I like that.
T.C.:That there there's something there's okay.
Jim:Mario, what The Cheshire cat lures Dorothy. Dorothy and Toto. Yeah. It and
T.C.:we could be the these are very similar characters in a sense. They've they're both young girls who were zapped into a fantasy world. Could there be something inherent to their like, the slayer in the Buffy franchise where it's like, there's something specific about this type of human that is drawn? Because you have other stories like this, like the Phantom Tollbooth. Great great Mhmm.
T.C.:Yeah. I'd love to have a reference to that somewhere in the mix here. There are whisked away an adventure story Narnia in a sense, but basically that there is a there is a something inherent in a in a type of human that they are drawn that's why the Manhatter goes to Alice or goes to Dorothy. It's like we we I couldn't find Alice, but you are like her. You are that type of person.
T.C.:You are not the one, but you are of that type
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And draws her in. And meanwhile Absolutely. I think that could create an opportunity for let's tell this movie as it is. It's a singular film, but you are playing a little bit of seed for selecting other earthlings who have it in them to be drawn to these worlds.
Jim:To create a cinematic universe. And I'm
T.C.:not I'm not necessarily saying that, but just building it in a fashion where there is a potential for franchise. Because having Milo from Phantom Tollbooth, I know that's super obscure. Mhmm. You probably know Phantom Tollbooth.
Jim:Yeah. I do.
T.C.:It's it's one of the it's a but there are other Alice in Wonderland, Frank L. Baum characters that were not Dorothy that were drawn into adventure as well. Alice Lewis Carroll just has his two Alice books. But Mhmm. I think that there's an opportunity here to potentially have sequels that don't draw on Alice or Dorothy if we can't renew their contracts Sure.
T.C.:But having other adventures in alternate world type characters here. Just as a minor that how did you get Alice and Dorothy screwed up? Well, we couldn't find one, but, yeah, they are connected in some fashion. Sure. That could be fun that that the the Oz Wonderland versus Oz, I think, is your title there because you're not specifically saying it's Dorothy versus Alice.
T.C.:Yeah. Right? Saying it's these two realms combining. Yeah. And and yeah.
T.C.:Oh, a Never Ending Story would be another example of a human Earthbound character who's drawn into a fantasy adventure. There could be a a seed planted for getting Sebastian dragged into this mix for a future film if you wanna franchise this.
Jim:I'm more looking forward to Falcor.
T.C.:Yeah. Oh, boy. That's a cool idea. And I think that that that that might be the idea that is closest to matching what
Jim:I think so.
T.C.:What Tyler wants. Yeah. It is two big properties.
Jim:That that they are well, even though the stipulation was no major franchises, they are not major franchises that that have been exploited a lot recently Right. Or or come to mind when one thinks of versus like like like this type of movie. It's it's not what immediately comes to mind.
T.C.:And and I think it it satisfies my desire for adventure. It's Sure. Action adventure. Adventure itself is such a rare genre these days because they're usually combined with something else. You can say, oh, Guardians of the Galaxy is an adventure movie, but sci fi Superhero.
T.C.:Superhero action adventure. Right? Jumanji. Yeah. There you go.
T.C.:Yeah. Jumanji definitely qualifies as strictly an adventure movie. Yeah. Well, little sci fi twist to get him into the game. But, yeah, Oz versus Wonderland.
T.C.:Wonderland versus Oz. There's Yeah. That's cool.
Jim:I I like that. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm good with that being our fifth.
T.C.:Our fifth. Okay. So let's just run it down again. We have our Fantastic Four and Fast and the Furious movie, which is my it's pretty good.
Jim:It's not so much a versus as it is just a weirdo mashup.
T.C.:Our very indie versus movie of the two directors versus each other. Yep. Cameron versus Spielberg, what what have you. Bay versus Snyder. Mummy and Hellboy.
T.C.:Think there's something fun to be had there.
Jim:Yeah. Right. The storylines really work. You need to you need to mess around with the timelines a
T.C.:little bit.
Jim:Hellboy isn't of adventuring age until, like, 1955.
T.C.:The nice thing in that is you can cast a young actor to play Hellboy then.
Jim:Oh, so you actually want, like, a teenage Hellboy?
T.C.:I I would love to see Ron Perlman come back, but why not make Why we won't have to pay for him if we get a young Nickelodeon star to play. Gotcha. Yeah. And then we have the Hollow Earth versus the Martians, which is a fun idea, but I'm not sure that's a moneymaker. Yeah.
T.C.:That's a real gamble on that one.
Jim:That's that's more like a a novel series that that I should write that four
T.C.:people will read. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. No. Not even, like like, literally a a
T.C.:How did you not piss pitch Tesla versus Edison?
Jim:Because I have
T.C.:a little
Jim:sad dick. Up my butt about about that whole thing. I I love Tesla, and I love the Tesla versus Edison war. And I even have my own comic book that I wanna write that is this expanding world of alternate history. And I've read other other people who've done things like that.
Jim:Simone
T.C.:really here.
Jim:The really, one of the really good comic book writers kinda beat me to punch of getting it done is So interesting. Matt Fraction did I'll I'll just tell people, Matt Fraction did one called the five fists of science. That's such a great title. And and he did so many he he took pretty much the same cast of characters I wanted to use, at least the core cast, Tesla, Edison. I think he included Rockefeller and Mark Twain, and those were pretty much the four that I wanted to use.
T.C.:So he'd beat you to it. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:He he didn't do what I did. I have a couple really fun twists. Well, I But he I would
T.C.:love to that that's one of those conversations to have another time. I've heard it before. I'd love for the listeners to hear it, but let's let's let's leave it at those five that we've just discussed. And I'm curious what you guys listening think. Did we come up any of those five really appealed to you?
T.C.:I which which of those five was the best for you? Comments wherever you might see this post?
Jim:Now I wanna do a Tesla versus Edison, like, sci fi movie. It'd totally be different than what Matt wrote, and it'd be different from what I can see.
T.C.:You know what? If there's some I would what I love saying demand it. Want I it I want it to be demand. I don't want us to just throw ourselves willingly at an idea of our own making. If that's something you wanna hear Jim pitch to you, demand it.
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Jim:Do the idea you said.
T.C.:Do the Tesla Edison idea. Go. We demand stipulations. Do what you do. But I am curious to hear what people think of the five that we've created here of the versus movies, particular particularly Tyler.
T.C.:Did we meet your demands? Yeah. Have we have we achieved what groaning pains wanted in terms of a versus movie? All five of these sound like fun movies to me. So I I'm down.
T.C.:I'm down. Yeah. I don't think Fast and the Furious and Fantastic Four is ever gonna happen, but the other ones Yeah. Those feel like movies that could still happen. Like I said, head over to studiodemandsit.com to put in a demand of your own.
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T.C.:B. C. C.] platform. And thank you all of you who have been listening and jumping on board. We've had a lot of people jump on for a certain episode and start listening to the back catalog Oh, yeah?
T.C.:Which isn't very vast, but I hope you are finding some enjoyments in our various qualities of recordings. It's me. I'm running the board. I tell you
Jim:about it. I I get I basically swallow the mic. So
T.C.:I I I don't mind. Jim, any final thoughts?
Jim:Nope. Nope.
T.C.:I wanna watch these movies. I do wanna watch movies. It's the
Jim:first citizen. We'll we'll
T.C.:discuss shortly. First department. But thank you everyone for listening. We will be back again with another demand short with our next episode, and that's it. Yeah.
T.C.:That's that's it. The music's already playing right there. We're off. Okay. That's this
Jim:is it. Snake versus clan lizard. Clan lizard. The best I can.
T.C.:We get six.
Jim:Well, god. We ideas. It was.