Alright. In the bushes of love.
Jim:Ready to do this? You sounded like Casey Kaysom there for a second, and now I wanna hear Casey Kaysom do an intro Casey Kaysom. To those songs.
T.C.:To those songs. Coming up next on the church. K. Casey. Casey.
T.C.:Casey. Yep. Do people know who Casey Kaysom is, or are we showing our age? Yes. Wait.
T.C.:People know, but we're also showing our age?
Jim:Actually, well, I wanna say yes, but I it's likely just just age.
T.C.:Just age? Oh my god. Okay. Well, good start. Hello, and welcome to the Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord.
T.C.:We talk movies all the time. In particular, we complain in, about the choices made by the films we've seen. And, of course, as any good nerd does, we automatically assume that we could do better even with the demands and restrictions that clearly must have been put on a production. I am T. C.
T.C.:De Witt, and joining me as always is my cohost, Jim over 30, Burzelic.
Jim:Aw. You gave it away.
T.C.:Your hand's glowing. How could I not have it go away? The the little gem on the top of your hand?
Jim:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean no. Don't look at that.
Jim:You
T.C.:I mean, talk I'm
Jim:gonna have to go.
T.C.:Yeah. Casey. Casey. You're gonna have to go on a run Yeah. To get out of here.
Jim:A gym run.
T.C.:A gym and run.
Jim:Jim's run.
T.C.:Jim's run. I've never seen Logan's run. Have you
Jim:seen Logan's I have seen Logan's
T.C.:He's slightly older than me. I this is what I know about Logan's run. I know that Brian Singer wants to remake it. He's probably not gonna get a chance to do that anymore for reasons, like reasons we didn't realize he directed Bohemian Rhapsody reasons.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. And, also, the other thing I know about Logan's Run is there was a movie called Free Enterprise starring Eric McCormick, the guy from Will and Grace, and another guy who's I don't know. And they're like it's like an indie movie, and he's about to turn 30, and he they're like geeks. They quote Star Trek and Star Wars, and he has a nightmare where he's got, like, long flowing seventies hair, and he's in a jumpsuit. He's running
Jim:Oh, yeah?
T.C.:And and the guy chasing him and his buddy, and he's like, no one's gonna get this reference. You're gonna turn 30. And, like, I didn't get it, but my roommate at the time was like, oh, it's Logan's Run.
Jim:That that's kind of awesome. I kinda wanna watch whatever movie that is just for that.
T.C.:Free free enterprise. I'm sure it's probably, like, at Amazon or something. Or probably, like, forgotten the title. Entirely free. You've said
Jim:it several times.
T.C.:It's because you're growing old, Jim, and your memory is It's true. Is fading from I don't remember what else.
Jim:I was I was gonna say something referencing a thing said moments ago, and I already forgot what it was gonna be.
T.C.:There's nothing wrong with getting older. In fact, some of our listeners are probably listening right now going, oh, man. Why you gotta why you gotta be
Jim:I remember. I was gonna sum up what I remember about Logan's Run.
T.C.:What do you remember about Logan's So there's always By the way, we're not doing Logan's Run today. But please tell me about Logan's Run.
Jim:Hip young kids living in this retro future where oh, it was future at the time. It's retro future now. And then suddenly, one of them, Basil, his the the gem on his hand, that's not the character's name. That's the name of his character from Austin Powers.
T.C.:Oh, it's Basil Exposition. Okay. That actor. Gotcha.
Jim:A very famous actor that someone older than me would definitely know the name of. They're shouting it right now. His gem lights up. So, like, you gotta get out of here, oldster. And, like, they're gonna kill him or whatever, but he instead is all like, no.
T.C.:I'm gonna name Logan? Yes. That makes sense.
Jim:I'm gonna go to the outskirts and be exiled, which I think is actually what they do. I see, I don't remember the details too much. Like so I don't remember if he ran away from them and ended up exiling himself, which is what they were
T.C.:get out of
Jim:here. If they were gonna kill him or not. I don't I don't know.
T.C.:Is that the premise that they kill you when you turn 30? It's something like that. Watch watched something recently that
Jim:There was an episode of sliders Oh. Where they go to a a world where it's run by a juvenocracy and no one older 18.
T.C.:You know, I am not against that. If someone wants to submit a studio demand for Halloween America
Jim:Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. I thought you meant against a juvenile cracy.
T.C.:Oh, I I'm not necessarily against a juvenile cracy.
Jim:I Well, right, the ideas can't
T.C.:be worse
Jim:than they are now.
T.C.:What did I see recently? I I watched something just recently, and the whole premise about it was like, your life is o oh, it was a I watched the pilot to This Is Us, the the the drama. And I I went into it expecting it to be a drama. Right? Yeah.
T.C.:It opens with a black screen and a Wikipedia quote.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Like, Wikipedia has told us something about how many people share a birthday. Mhmm. And then there's some and then it says, like, Wikipedia has yet to explain to us why something something. I'm like, that was funny. What is this show?
T.C.:And it's got, like, a sense of humor about it. It's not just heavy handed, gonna make you cry drama. So, but the whole pilot episode is about these characters about to turn, I think, 35, and it's, like, the end of their lives. And I'm like, come on. I mean, you're making me feel bad about that's so bad about it's fine.
T.C.:Your life your life's barely begun. Let's let's pump the brakes here. Life doesn't end at 35.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Does.
T.C.:Oh, Jim. Alright. We're really No. No. So Logan, he goes out
Jim:to the outskirts outside of the the civilized zone. Mhmm. And out there, there's just ruins. There's nothing out there. It's him and this girl that went with him.
Jim:I don't remember her name.
T.C.:Is she I don't remember why she went Female love interest?
Jim:Yes. Mhmm. Classic. I think. Ow.
Jim:Dog stepped on my foot. And then they encounter an old man who lives in this decrepit library.
T.C.:He's 43.
Jim:At this you know what? Revisiting that, I'll bet you it was something like that. Dude, made he he was made to look super old. Right? He was he had long gray hair, a big long beard, and he was wearing rags and stuff as if he as if he'd been here for decades.
T.C.:Oh.
Jim:But, like, the way I remember it, because I was still pretty young when I watched that, is I remembered them I remembered that guy being like a a a an encapsulated episode of Twilight Zone. The the guy who's like, finally, I
T.C.:can read all the books. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right? He was that guy.
T.C.:I'm alone. I've lived beyond 30.
Jim:Yeah. I can read all these books now is how I remember it, and that's where my knowledge of of it ends. So I I know it's not how it goes, but I've decided with what I remember of Logan's Run. Mhmm. They go out there.
Jim:They meet this old man, and they're like, okay. I guess we live here now. The end.
T.C.:The end. Do think if they rebooted it at the studio, Demand a reboot of Logan's Run that they would do it with, like, Will Ferrell, like a comedy? Like Oh, maybe. Like Chris
Jim:and team were I think, yeah, I think they would they would pump up the action.
T.C.:Okay. So then you'd be looking at something like a reboot of Total Recall or Robocap
Jim:The or Island. The Island was was Oh, yeah.
T.C.:Well,
Jim:it wasn't real well, it was not really a reboot. It was a
T.C.:Rip off? Theft
Jim:of Clonus. Yeah. That Yeah. That's a good movie. So weird.
Jim:I remember
T.C.:The Island being better than I thought it
Jim:should be. When The Island came out, I had a really good time. I was like, this is really good. This is Michael Bay's best movie.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. And no one likes it.
Jim:We like it. I mean, it's still probably
T.C.:the best. New price.
Jim:Yeah. Probably I remember, like, watching some Internet stuff about, like, oh, and then this is in there. And then once I found out that it was a rip off, and it literally when I say rip off, it's because, like, there are things directly taken from Clonus in there that was not asked permission when when the Clonus filmmaker saw the movie. Like, he's like, he had friends
T.C.:the freak?
Jim:He had friends telling him, like, dude, this stuff is stolen straight from your movie. Yeah. He said, no. I really I doubt it.
T.C.:Parallel thinking.
Jim:And then he and then he went and watched it, he's like, nope. Yep. That's that's my movie.
T.C.:Oh. You know, I'm sorry. Like, I we're talking about that, we're talking about I we're this is gonna be a very dated episode in in what I wanna discuss because Sure. I just wanna talk to you about nerd stuff. And we'll get to the we'll get to the point of the episode.
T.C.:Should we jump? Should I say this for off mic?
Jim:May maybe. I don't know. What if what if what if we just record everything, but then in post, at this point is where we fade. We fade out.
T.C.:And then we come in.
Jim:And we fade in after the nerd conversation we have to the actual
T.C.:People might might care to hear our
Jim:They make about it. And then we could, like, do a
T.C.:little bit of little thing. This very brief. I wanna keep this brief. We're gonna keep this very brief. Uh-huh.
T.C.:Because this is could be a future episode. So if someone wants to demand this of us, now is your opportunity. I'm throwing it out there that someone has to demand it to of us. Why is everyone excited that there's gonna be a matrix four? Yeah.
T.C.:I don't I don't know. Did no one see anything after the Matrix? The reason I thought of this is because you mentioned the theft of Clonus to the island, and the Matrix is there was a lawsuit that they stole that script from a woman who had written
Jim:in the first one.
T.C.:She won that that they did. That they did in fact steal it. And the fact that she was not involved with the sequels Mhmm. Also suggests, well, now we know what the the x factor was. And the the Witt Wittchowskis have a terrible library.
T.C.:They have The Matrix and garbage. They have Speed Racer? Speed Racer is a really fun movie for 12 year olds. Hey. You know, to be honest, I am a defender of Speed Racer.
T.C.:I would show it to, like,
Jim:a young
T.C.:like a kid and be like, hey. This is a cool, fun movie. Right? Yeah. And Matthew Fox has that really great fight scene in it where he's racer accident.
T.C.:Yeah. They have a terrible library. Why is everyone's like, oh, the Witt Wittchowskis are coming back, and so is Keanu and and Carrie Ann Moss. Yay. Like, no.
T.C.:No. Because they came back for reloaded and rebooted. Does no one do we live in a simulation and people are just forgetting stuff? Like, is this what Is this what we're in
Jim:a new we're in a new iteration?
T.C.:We're in the we're in the matrix?
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Okay. So anyway, if anyone wants a demand of us to conceptualize it and pitch Oh, amazing. Reboot. No. No.
T.C.:Rebooted sequels. Just if someone wants to demand us a rebooted
Jim:I mean, because if I had my choice, that's what I would now granted, I've I I know what I would do with the matrix. And so at the time, I don't know how well you remember when two and three came out, there was basically a big debate, which is there were people
T.C.:who were like, these are garbage. It should have been this. Yeah.
Jim:And then everyone else or not everyone that that was and then the other faction was people who were like, no. These are amazing. Your idea is stupid.
T.C.:Well, I I I have ideas as well. So, yeah, I'm gonna throw that out there to the listeners. If you wanna put a demand over at studiodemandsit.com and submit your demand of the matrix to us in whatever capacity and demands you wanna put, that'd awesome. Or if you wanna tweet directly at us, you can find us on on Twitter and Instagram. But, yeah, we could probably talk off Mike about the matrix for we could do a whole episode of the matrix right now.
Jim:We're we're we're not.
T.C.:Oh, we're not doing that. We're not gonna do it right now. So the way this
Jim:So so this episode
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:Is not Logan's run
T.C.:It's not Logan's run.
Jim:And it's not the matrix.
T.C.:It's not the other dystopian future. In fact, it has literally nothing to do with either of those topics Woah. Whatsoever.
Jim:I'll see if I can jam it into whatever we are gonna do.
T.C.:Somehow, we're gonna have to oh, well, I mean, people know what the episode is because they clicked on it. It's true. Unless It's true. We had a random person
Jim:who's like talking about it as if, like, we're hiding the title. Like, oh, what are we
T.C.:gonna People know what we're gonna do. But we but we don't know what we're gonna do. They know what we're gonna do. We're about to find out what we're gonna do right now. We know what we're gonna do.
T.C.:We have already decided off mic. But so, where to begin? We have our demands. We get them from you guys. You guys are awesome about that.
T.C.:We have a very growing list of listeners. On the way to recording, news broke just before we we recorded. Mhmm. So just in the past. In pre it just happened.
T.C.:And Yeah. We I get top
Jim:of it. We're that we're that on top
T.C.:of it. This will air weeks from now, and people are like, duh. This is already resolved. But at the time of recording, this is not resolved. So we have our request.
T.C.:You guys send them to us. You can submit to us through Twitter or through the website as well, and you can send us the demand for movie or TV series, whatever have you. Come up with your fictional studio, and, and all of you have been amazing. We have more we have our cup runneth over at this point. So I'm sending them in.
T.C.:We we are having a lot of fun, meeting your your yours demands. So today, submitted for our consideration from the studio King Popularthor Studio. King pop King Popularthor Studios. Nice. Alex is the the the person who made this demand of us.
T.C.:Sony and Disney have parted ways, and now that means we will be getting a Spider Man from Sony without the MCU. The Studio Demands that you craft a Spider Man sequel with no connection to the MCU. He has a further stipulation here. K. But let's stop there, and I'll throw the second stipulation at you momentarily, if not after our break.
Jim:K.
T.C.:I I can see it, but I'm not gonna think about it. Uh-huh. I'm just gonna so, Jim, Disney and Marvel are at at loggerheads right now. As as of recording, they are gonna be the MCU
Jim:I actually thought it was decided. I thought it was done and over. You're telling me that,
T.C.:no.
Jim:It's all up in the air.
T.C.:There's still potential for a resolution to happen here. And even by the time this airs, they may have solved it, and Disney may have bought Sony
Jim:and your house.
T.C.:I mean Not your house. The person listening right now? Oh oh. It's Disney bought your house.
Jim:The the listener's house?
T.C.:Yeah. Sorry, listener. Alex's house is gone. Yeah. King Popular Arthur Studios is now different than Bob.
T.C.:Studio talking about making Spider Man movie. We bought them. So this just broke. My my knee jerk response to this was, oh god. No.
T.C.:Why Sony? Everyone's like, yeah. They did the Spider Verse. Yes. That's animated.
T.C.:Mhmm. Did Sony has two movies. Their two highest grossing movies is Spectre, the most recent James Bond, and Wow. Far From Home is their highest grossing movie of all time. Far From Home is really good.
T.C.:Yeah. Saw that. Played a part in in the success of revitalizing Spider Man after the failures of of of the Andrew Garfield, Mark Webb Spider Man. Right? So it's pretty fair to say Disney and and Marvel's and Kevin Feige had a a hand in the success of Spider Man.
Jim:I I would think so. Well, so the other thing that's being that I'm I'm hearing bandied about in this news
T.C.:Mhmm. Is that they have the hit the hit
Jim:that rejuvenated their their Spider Man stuff in Venom. And I I don't understand. Who who's who's saying? But, no, the
T.C.:thing is saw Venom. Yeah. But it was a financial success. It was a financial And that's what
Jim:oh god. Because it was sure a movie.
T.C.:Yeah. It was a movie.
Jim:You know what? Tom Hardy's great.
T.C.:He is, but Upgrade was the better venom movie of last year.
Jim:I believe that. Yes.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. With Tom Hardy Light, whatever the actor's name is. Yeah. Inexplicably, Venom was a huge financial success.
T.C.:I don't know how that happened. It's not a very it's a it is a movie. You are correct. But it did enough that they're getting a sequel out of which Andy Serkis is directing, which excites me for the potential of that.
Jim:It doesn't get me too excited. Mhmm. It gets me too curious. Curious.
T.C.:Cautiously optimistic or not even optimistic?
Jim:Not even opt like like, that that's that's where my attitude was. I was very much like, no. It's a bad idea. And then you say Andy Serkis and I say
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Alright. It's a bad idea, but what's happening here?
T.C.:Where where are we gonna go?
Jim:This. It's it's possible this could turn around.
T.C.:Right? So so they have their they have their success in Venom. They but their highest grossing movie is Far From Home. Mhmm. Now we have no MCU connection.
T.C.:So how the studio here is demanding that that Sony makes a Spider Man movie with zero connection to the MCU. Do you how do you continue forward without, okay. Well, he can't have the Stark suit anymore. So does that mean he has to get a new costume? And if he has to get a new costume, does that mean he builds it?
T.C.:They've already they've kind of hinted at Far From Home that, well, I guess this this go we should probably throw those out there as something we have not done on any of our episodes. We will be a little spoilery to Far From Home
Jim:if you
T.C.:haven't seen it at this point.
Jim:Really old and probably Spiderman's.
T.C.:And Endgame and Spyder. So keep bear that in mind, throwing that out there now. If you got this far listening, congratulations. Go see far from home then listen to us. So no.
T.C.:We can't have a a start connection. So the suit's gone.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:We can't have Happy Hogan. You can't have Nick Fury. You can't have Vulture or Mysterio. Like, the can you? I don't know if you can have Vulture Mysterio.
Jim:You probably can. Okay. My guess right? I I don't know the contracts, but those are Spider Man villains, and they probably came along with the the peace accords.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:What what what do you actually call that? The the deal? Just the negotiations.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. How do you continue forward with what we have without any Tony Stark, without the MCU connection? I'm not saying it's impossible. I think it is possible.
T.C.:But can Tony can Sony do it?
Jim:I well, those are two different questions. So I actually think severing references to the MCU is not hard at
T.C.:all. Mhmm.
Jim:I actually think that's really easy. As far as, like, for example, the suit, he just doesn't have one. Like, you don't do the the magic magic computer suit. Mhmm. He just has the regular suit, you know, the one that
T.C.:The classic Spider Man. In his bag. Well, that even came from Tony, though. Did it? Yeah.
T.C.:He he built his he the only suit he ever made was the hoodie. Sure. Yeah. And the sweatpants. But but the because the suit that Aunt Maypax had had a What?
T.C.:The computer lady in it.
Jim:Did it?
T.C.:Yeah. Because that's what he that's what he got in home from.
Jim:I thought the only computer he talked to in Far From Home was Edith.
T.C.:Yes. That was the Edith computer. But in was because he wasn't wearing oh gosh. He wears, four costumes. But the one that he has access to that isn't the Night Monkey suit that Nick Fury gives him, that isn't the Edith glasses Mhmm.
T.C.:Is his suit that Tony gave him in Homecoming, which he had, like, the training wheel mode that he broke and then got, like, the kill mode and whatnot.
Jim:I think well, okay. Here's the thing. That is that's, if I'm remembering right, it's not a specific iconic look that says this is an Iron Man Spider Man suit. Okay. So it just looks like Spider Man.
Jim:It and so I think you just keep that on him and you just never reference it.
T.C.:And maybe don't use all
Jim:the Example?
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:Where did Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield get the materials and sewing skills to put together the an equal looking costume
T.C.:in movie. They just made it themselves.
Jim:Let's just get him he needs to look like Spider Man. Yeah. Yeah. Wham. Okay.
Jim:So that that's, like, the hardest part, and it's done. They've already established in the two previous movies not as MCU material, but this Spider Man has the web slinger devices.
T.C.:So he just has He made it himself. He creates the web fluid. Mhmm. So okay. So he's got that.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:So the And that that's from the scene. There, that's and then you just have villains that don't refer to MCU events, and that's
T.C.:So it's not impossible.
Jim:Yeah. It's a little disappointing because the MCU and Tony Stark is an excellent, excellent reason to ever refer to any high-tech super tech stuff.
T.C.:Right. Right. Was that some sort of I just wanna know if that's a Tony. It's just my suit. Let's leave it at that.
Jim:It's a tiny stork suit.
T.C.:A tiny stork. So people are freaking out because the I I don't think it's a matter of Spider Man's third movie necessarily being the problem. I think it's that Spider Man being connected to the creator MCU is what people are pissed off about. He could very he was setting up to be, like, the leader of the next Avengers. Like, we won't get a Doctor Strange team up.
T.C.:Right? Mhmm. So the the demand of creating a Spider Man with no MCU connection while continuing what has already existed, okay. That's that's what we're being asked to do. I don't think that's much of a challenge.
Jim:Well, the the challenge is well, the challenge is I'm I'm using air quotes right now. Making it interesting.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And the reason I say that is because now Spider Verse didn't have any MCU connections, and it was interesting.
T.C.:True.
Jim:I think there's there's other reasons for that. I think Oh. Into the Spider Verse worked
T.C.:Gotcha. As well
Jim:as it did because they took they they didn't try to they didn't try this executives didn't try to make a movie. Right. Does that make sense?
T.C.:It didn't feel like a checklist.
Jim:They said, hey, filmmaking artists. You do this. Mhmm. And the the exceptional talents and skills of writers and and directors and animators and stuff made an amazing amazing thing. And honestly, if if they were to make more of those, I actually have all the confidence I do in in a lot of other studios to make amazing things.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:I have the confidence that they'll make more amazing Into Spider Verse movies.
T.C.:I think that's I think we're onto something here. Because Into the Spider Verse might be the best Spider Man movie we've ever seen. I don't know. Like, some people would say agree with that wholeheartedly. Some people might hesitate to to say that.
Jim:It is I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue against someone who feels that way, but I I do hesitate to say it's the best one because I really liked far from home.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. I I think there's a good to be heading all this, but I think I might have a way for Sony to continue Spider Man without the MCU references Mhmm. But not ruin all the good everything that's been created by the MCU. And I think the way they could accomplish that is to not continue the story as it is.
T.C.:Basically, this is what I'm pitching at you. You tell me what you think. I think the studio might like this because okay. More or less pause the story. Start the next movie with Peter.
T.C.:My identity's been released. Aunt May, what are we gonna do? Freaking out. Who do I contact? How are the what am I gonna do?
T.C.:And oh, you have an idea.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. I just had a a tear it's a terrible idea.
T.C.:Hold on.
Jim:It needs to be said.
T.C.:Well, you hold that thought because I'm gonna pitch him in. You hear Mhmm. He's freaking out. Doesn't know what to do. He's gotta run.
T.C.:Okay?
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:I'm not brand new day in this.
Jim:That's my terrible idea.
T.C.:No. Yes. We're not doing that. No no devil deal.
Jim:Making making you do that as a movie, and it justifies doing it. Right? Because because
T.C.:For for those who might be listening, wondering what we're talking about, mid two thousands, Joe Kisada got a great idea to stop having Peter Parker be an adult and be married and separated and have a career as a chemistry teacher, yada yada yada, and basically made a deal with the devil to save ancient old Aunt May once again by erasing his relationship with Mary Jane, which subsequently erased the past twenty years of Spider Man.
Jim:Oh, okay. I'm having I'm having ideas that that may not
T.C.:that may make it because they're We'll come back to my idea. Please. No. No. We can
Jim:come back to my to my
T.C.:third one. We're on this train. So my idea is so I hate this train. Here's why I hate it. Here's one of
Jim:the reasons brand new day was so awful was because what Peter had going on was actually pretty good. Right? Or like like, as a fan, as a reader
T.C.:Yeah. We're talking about the J. Michael Strzewski.
Jim:Yeah. The Peter Parker world and life was awesome. And aunt May had lived a long, long, very full life.
T.C.:She's been a lot. She's been 80 since the sixties.
Jim:So there was no reason to to force her to go on.
T.C.:Poor old woman. Just let her go.
Jim:However, I propose doing a brand new story. Mhmm. Right? Clearly, this Peter Parker is not the same. Tom Tom Holland is a high school student.
Jim:Actually, technically, isn't he graduating? So
T.C.:He'd be
Jim:he's just going either way. Right. He's still a kid. Mhmm. So I think what I would do to do to set up a a cinematic brand new day you create a situation especially because his identity has just been revealed.
Jim:Yeah. That's when everything kicks up to to eleven. Right? So you open the movie and criminals now are are like, they start gunning. Maybe actually, it may not happen immediately, but people are less afraid now.
Jim:And so criminals start fighting back instead of running away.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And he takes them out and stuff, and then suddenly there's a threat at the house, and then we start seeing supervillains. And maybe it's maybe this is it would probably resemble or feel similar to so then we can make it not. But I'm I'm reminded of into the Spider Verse
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:When Kingpin goes after Peter Right. At at his house. Spoiler.
T.C.:I would give him the warning.
Jim:But but my my idea is villains start coming out of the woodwork. We're not gonna do the origin of a villain, and it's gonna be the story. Like, no. We just start having costumed weirdos popping up, and they're coming after Peter, and they like like, we can even do things like, I'm back, you little jerk. Mhmm.
Jim:Suggesting he's had off camera adventures
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Down these these dudes. And it just builds up more and more. And we have Mephisto show up early doing thing like like, either trying to trying to fight Peter or corner him Mhmm. Or maybe even make make a deal right then, like, hey. This doesn't seem good.
Jim:I'm willing to make a deal. I'm willing to help you out. Peter's like, no. You're the devil. You're not gonna do the devil.
Jim:And it keeps happening. And then as it's building, you get into the third act, and there's too many villains. Right? Like, every every every bad guy is coming after Peter.
T.C.:Mhmm. That's a lot of toys. The studio is liking his idea. It's so many toys. I am hating
Jim:his idea. The studio
T.C.:is loving it.
Jim:But you build to such a point, and then suddenly, Aunt May gets hurt. Mhmm. Not the comic book, very old Aunt May. Mersa Tomet. Yeah.
Jim:A character the audience has come to really care for. Mhmm. And and that's when that's when Mephisto shows up again.
T.C.:And says, hey. Now how about that deal?
Jim:Yeah. And and Peter's world has been pulled apart by 25 villains.
T.C.:So then he erases
Jim:He erases, only going back to just before or the the very end of Far From Home. That is Actually, he no. He erases to just before Far From Home. Oh. Right.
Jim:That allows Sony to undo that movie when they wanted. But, basically, what it does is it puts several things back in the bottle the way Kasada wanted to do. But I think in a cinematic in in this story, it works a little better. And the the I would I would actually have Peter remember. Mhmm.
Jim:He wouldn't I yeah. He wouldn't forget.
T.C.:He would know his two realities? Yeah. Okay. Not bad. It does offer a lot of fight sequences.
T.C.:It does offer a wide cast of characters. We could we could potentially see a dozen Spider Man villains up on the big screen played by various actors of note. So that checks off some boxes that I think Sony might be interested in. It does allow them to go forward. I mean, hell, Venom could show up.
T.C.:I but Venom's a hero in this universe, which is stupid. Okay.
Jim:I I
T.C.:don't know where to where do you go from there? Then you just have you basically have just the whole movie is about putting everything back in the bottle.
Jim:It is, and that's not fun. So I I had another idea.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Maybe it's not a complete reboot. Maybe maybe this is gonna be like like a like a reverse what's the dang movie called? A Wonderful Life.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So Mephisto's deal is is not is we're gonna rewind it, and the deal is you don't get to be Spider Man.
T.C.:And so I I think you might be on to something there, and I think it's you could go the route of something like And and we get
Jim:I'm I'm so sorry. I I keep interrupting you. And we could actually even do because I I have a couple friends that have have griped about not about not getting a a Tom Holland Spider Man origin. Mhmm. We could actually see it.
T.C.:God. We'll come we'll we'll we'll circle back to that. But I think you may be onto something in terms of Mephisto's deal and erasing too much. I think if it's if he shows up in good faith at first and says, hey. I'm a magic user.
T.C.:I can erase this and fix it for you. And then it goes sideways, and then he goes back to that guy and
Jim:says You made Mephisto interesting to
T.C.:what you did. What did you do? Oh, I I I g I you monkey pod me. You monkey pod me. I've seen I've seen you know, get some fun references.
T.C.:Like, damn. Sorry. Okay. Let's try this again. Let's what can we fix?
T.C.:I can't undo what I already undid, so let's just undo something else and then undo it again. And then it's worse. And then third time's a charm. That's when he's like, you're the devil. And he's like, I am the devil.
T.C.:And, like, Peter's brain gets him to if you wanna erase all this, all the mistakes you've made, then you need to go back to your first mistake. Then you go back to the uncle Ben, and Peter has to make the decision of stopping it. So I know this is delving into the Flash territory.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:But at Sony, they wouldn't be it wouldn't be beyond them to rip it off.
Jim:He wait. He has to be the guy
T.C.:He just has to decide whether or not he's gonna stop uncle Ben from being killed or not.
Jim:Oh, I I don't know
T.C.:if I'd wanna do that. So that that would be I was just to try to make Mephesto doing something interesting and give us variations of Sure. Of the universes. We've already seen that the Spider Man universe is allowing itself. The public has has accepted that there's a multiverse.
T.C.:So let me go back to what I was gonna pitch. Sure. Where you pause far from home. He comes home in a panic. He doesn't know what to do.
T.C.:Yank him out of reality. Have Gwen Spider Gwen Stacy pull him into the Spider Verse, and that your next Spider Man movie is a live action sequel to Into the Spider Verse. You can still do an animated sequel, which you know they will, but pull him out so that his entire life and timeline is literally put on hold. Until Disney can come to a conclusion five years down the road, suck him out of of the MC universe and drop him into the Spider Verse so that you get a whole movie of him working with Spider Gwen, maybe meeting Tobey Maguire Spider Man if you want. I don't know.
T.C.:Why not drag him out and have him play Peter b Parker? Right? You've always loved the idea of having a Spider Verse
Jim:that feature. Right? That that's that was the end of the Spider Verse I wanted to make.
T.C.:So why not do that? Don't I
Jim:I have him I'd have Toby play Toby's, and I would have what was it?
T.C.:Jake Johnson.
Jim:Jake yeah. Jake Johnson. I would actually have him play Oh, he'd be
T.C.:a great I think the voice cast from end of the Spider Verse would be great live action versions. Haley Haley Steinfeld is her name. Yeah. She she would make a great Spider Gwen. Blonde or not, I don't care.
T.C.:Chris Evans not blonde. He looks great as Captain America.
Jim:I don't think John Mulhaney would would be short enough to be a Spider Ham.
T.C.:Spider pig Spider Ham, we will still go straight up Roger Rabbit on this. But I'm saying don't continue the story.
Jim:That could be, like, just a one throwaway. Hey. Why am I still a cartoon?
T.C.:What does that mean? Nothing. You don't know what you're talking about. So, yeah, let's not continue the MCU Spider Man. It's still Tom Holland.
T.C.:We'll just put it on hold. He's in a panic, like, reacting to what happened in Far From Home. Uh-huh. But yank him out of it and send him on a side quest.
Jim:Interesting.
T.C.:Send him into the Spider Verse and give him a chance to see what the world would look like if if he continues to be Spider Man on his own with no help from any other superhero in the universe by seeing how Tobey Maguire did it, and then jump over to universe where it's like, oh, this is what would be like if I was a douchebag. Oh, that's what I would I guess I'm not gonna do that ever, ever, ever. Have him experience what other options are in terms of and then you're literally kinda making a meta commentary of Tom Holland's Peter Parker Spider Man can decide, do I want to go back to the reality that's waiting for me, or do I want to choose one of these realities that I could fit in on my own and I can bring Aunt May with me? I can bring, you know, like, basically give him a choice
Jim:of The well, I I understand what you're saying. I I feel like any choice that's not I wanna go back to mine is the wrong choice.
T.C.:Then then make it it make it a part of the of the let's go sliders on this. You you did reference sliders earlier. I did. Maybe that is what's stuck in my cry here, but maybe he can't get back. He has a two picture deal left.
T.C.:The director of far from home and homecoming also has a two picture deal left. Those are the only two that are carrying over to the rest of the they're contracted to these other two movies.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:So let's pluck him out of the MCU, and he can't get back home. Homecoming, Far From Home, Get Me Home. I don't know. Another home title. Right?
T.C.:Literally take him out of out of his universe. And his the the main arc of this two picture story is how does he get back to the world he left behind. And for two movies, that's his big goal is to get back there, but he is now Spider Man in alternate realities. Thinking? The beers are turning?
T.C.:You
Jim:I'm I'm less I I I don't know what happened because I hate brand new day as well. Yeah.
T.C.:But you'd What I really is I made Mephesto too interesting. Curse me. Curse me. Well, okay. I mean, that was just a pitch to to capitalize on the success of Spider Verse Sure.
T.C.:Without undoing the MCU. I mean
Jim:So so so I think I think we approached it from two different angle. I'll I'll
T.C.:turn the light
Jim:on in a second. I think you approached it from the angle of, oh, this could still resolve a different way, and I approached it from the no. This is done. Let's just let's just cut it out and and be done.
T.C.:We will never get back to Marvel. Yeah. What you're saying? Yeah. I guess we
Jim:do. Not with this Spider Man.
T.C.:No. No. It's such a
Jim:good story. Gonna make I think they would definitely make two movies before they they decide. Before.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:If anything When movies
T.C.:don't make as much money? Yeah. Then they're like, alright. Yeah. Can we get Kevin Feige?
Jim:If anything, I would if I were Disney, let Sony do their thing, and then ten years down the road, either make make another deal or something, bring Tom Holland back as the chemistry teacher, Peter Parker.
T.C.:That's a possib I feel like Feige, the MCU, the way they handle things, that would be a good approach to it. I I don't blame I'm not mad at Sony. I'm not mad at Disney. I'm just mad at the circumstances. I know that this has no bearing on my existence whatsoever.
T.C.:There are bigger problems in world.
Jim:Reason why people are are upset because they know what this this is all about money. Yeah. And it sucks when
T.C.:Their deal is
Jim:hear cool stories. Yeah.
T.C.:Like, because that's another thing. Like, right, like,
Jim:I've I've seen a a number of of Internet things which are like, hey, everybody. Disney sure is taking over everything. Why are we happy
T.C.:about it? Happy about it. I'm on team Disney, by the way, which means if Disney wants to buy this podcast, we are.
Jim:I mean oh, yes. Totally. Entirely.
T.C.:I I the deal, as I understood it, was Sony and Disney shared the IP. Disney got 5% of opening weekend of the Spider Man movies.
Jim:Oh, the original deal.
T.C.:Yeah. Of the original deal. And they came back and said, how about 50% of opening weekend? Uh-huh. Which that's a lot more.
Jim:It is 10 times more.
T.C.:It's if I'm doing the math correctly Yeah. I think you're right.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:I don't have my calculator in front of me, my Spider calculator.
Jim:I like what I I heard quackulator,
T.C.:and I I
Jim:like whatever that is.
T.C.:That's fun. Wink. Wink. Wink. Wink.
T.C.:Wink. 10 times more. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:So I don't I don't I understand this is all about money and that I I guess Sony's not wrong to be like, no. Screw you, Disney.
Jim:I well
T.C.:Don't hurt us.
Jim:It it's it I I have feelings on on, like, all different sides. Like, on one hand, like, yeah, Disney's the one who helped get you some successful Spider Man movies.
T.C.:But now that they're successful Spider Man movies, Sony's looking at it like, no. They didn't. We totally did that. This is all us. This is our IP.
T.C.:Yeah. So you did nothing. So, yeah, we're not gonna help you. So So I we've we've offered up two solutions here. I do think you're a brand new day angle, though I hate that it's brand new day.
T.C.:Mhmm. There's something there, especially if we kinda build up what I built off of with, Mephesto kinda screwing him over and giving him we see a a multitude of realities in terms of what Peter can get out of
Jim:this scenario. Was the what was it? It was already a remake with, Brendan Fraser.
T.C.:Bedazzled.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:That was literally where I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:It would it would be Spider Man bedazzled. Spider Man. And and that's that's funny. I think I
T.C.:think Dazzled day. Oh god. Be dazzled. Be dazzled. Yes.
T.C.:Do you know do you know
Jim:you could do and and the thing I have reasons for not liking it, but I think this would be an awesome oh, no. You couldn't because the whole thing is he's Peter. But it would be a reverse thing. I was gonna I was gonna say you could somehow reference Superior Spider Man The Dark but that doesn't quite work. It's Doc Ock being Spider Man, not Peter Parker being Doc Ock being Spider Man.
T.C.:In one universe, he never goes to.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Okay. Well, let's
Jim:Although a fun one of the fun bedazzled realities would be Peter becoming one of his villains.
T.C.:That would be cool. I thought you were gonna say Spanish Spider Man because it
Jim:That would also be bedazzled by
T.C.:the phrase would become Spanish.
Jim:But who would be Italian Spider Man? Oh. There's an Internet
T.C.:I know.
Jim:Reference. If if you don't know, go look up Italian Spider Man and make him a cappuccino.
T.C.:I okay. I think your your bedazzled bedazzled brand new day bedazzled idea probably be would be a good way to go. If if we are working on the stipulation if we are working on the stipulation that Disney, Marvel or Disney and Sony will never make amends, We'll never see Tom Holland MCU again. That's super disappointing. But if that's the case, you kinda have the right way to go here with we get multiple villains.
T.C.:You kinda set up, you could set up a the problem the problem in that in in knowing how Sony could botch this is setting up too many ideas. That's what the amazing Spider Man two did.
Jim:We didn't even talk talk, about, remember this is Sony doing this.
T.C.:Yes. We we always have to remember. And and some of you might be thinking, what's the big deal? And those who know, they know. This is the studio that greenlit the emoji movie.
T.C.:This is the studio that, made the amazing Spider Man one and two. So let's just add. I saw a great meme in response to this that Sony's continuing their tradition of screwing Spider Man three.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. I I saw one which took a frame of Tobey Maguire in the dance sequence in the third one.
T.C.:Oh, no.
Jim:And saying that feeling when you're the only Spider Man to get a third movie.
T.C.:Oh, no. Well, let's take a quick break here. We're gonna come back because there's another another stipulation here from King Popularthor's studios. So take a quick break here. We will be right back.
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Jim:Brand new day.
T.C.:So you're saying you would like to see a a Spider Man where he meets another Spider Man who didn't take the deal? Yeah. Would Tom Holland play both Spider Man?
Jim:No. No. I'm not talking about movie. I'm talking about I I wanna write a sort of a I guess it'd be a fan comic, a follow-up a follow-up to Brand New Day where Peter Parker, after taking Mephisto's deal in Brand New Day Mhmm. Through circumstances meets a parallel universe version of himself who didn't take that deal.
T.C.:And he's so happy. And I'm tenured at
Jim:the high school I work at.
T.C.:Well, and then tenured at high school.
Jim:They discuss they just they discuss the differences. Mhmm. And and right. I'd and I I think that would be really interesting. And you can have the the Peter who didn't take the deal basically yell at the Peter who did for all the reasons that people who don't like it
T.C.:And basically uncle Benjamin. You had a great responsibility with the power you had. Yeah. And you just let Aunt May go. Come on, man.
T.C.:Let's just I am lonely up here. She's with uncle Ben now. Everything's fine. Okay. Well, popular Arthur here, popular Alex from the studio, actually had another stipulation in his demands that I that I forestalled offering up to you.
T.C.:Okay? Well, what do we do all that other work for? Because I wanna see where we went with it. Right? And I
Jim:And we went to brand new day.
T.C.:Went to brand new day. Dragged me along with you.
Jim:Yes. I did.
T.C.:This is Sony. Uh-huh. And as discussed before the break, Sony Sony is Sony.
Jim:Yeah. Sure.
T.C.:So you gotta realize that one of their options here and the one that is probably more likely than we would wish it to be is a reboot. Another another Spider Man, another origin story, Green Goblin's the bad the bad guy again. That is the that is the other stipulation here is that
Jim:That we have to reboot it.
T.C.:If this means rebooting it, reboot the damn thing. You know Sony is considering it, and that means the origin. Uncle Ben, Green Goblin, go.
Jim:Okay. Well, do I have to keep Tom Holland? I feel I love I love him.
T.C.:I love
Jim:him, but I don't wanna do a reboot with him as well.
T.C.:I do now. I I don't think it's possible to do a reboot with Tom Holland. I think like, one one way to go about doing it would be to set a movie before homecoming Mhmm. And do the origin. Mhmm.
T.C.:But then then you're creating a ripple effect of, like, well, where was all this stuff Mhmm. After the fact. So if there's a full reboot here, it does mean casting recasting. But, I mean, can you you can't do a reboot with the same actor, can you? Has that been done before?
T.C.:Are there any reboots with actors returning to a character and doing it over again?
Jim:Evil Dead. Evil Dead.
T.C.:So unfortunately, Sony's could be considering this. Amy Pascal could be sitting there right now like, you know what? Screw them. We're just starting over again. We did great with Into the Spider Verse.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:So I think that's that's what you do. If you're gonna do a reboot Mhmm. Reboot it with Miles. Just do the live action Miles Morales, which it's Sony, so they would be stupid enough to do a live action redux of Into the Spider Verse without doing Spider Verse and literally just doing try
Jim:what to Disney is doing Yeah. With their Disney classic movies, but with Spider Man.
T.C.:But not into the Spider Verse. Literally just doing Miles' story without the dimension hopping other characters.
Jim:So a thought that occurs to me that I would like would be doing an adult Miles Morales and actually casting
T.C.:Donald Glover.
Jim:Like
T.C.:like, no origin, no anything. It's just like, hey. We're just it's twenty years into the into being Spider Man, and it's Donald Glover. Let's go. I mean, I I'm on board for that.
T.C.:I think that's a perfectly fine idea. Just be like, hey. You know how Spider Verse is a thing? This is that. It's just one of the multiverses.
T.C.:Yep. We we'll have a narrator at the beginning. Oh, Jimmy Cricket hops up and like, let me tell you a story about a different section. It's it's Spider Ham. Yep.
T.C.:And he's like Yeah. You came here to see a Spider Man movie? Well, let
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T.C.:Here we go. Actually,
Jim:I love that as a convention.
T.C.:That Spider Ham just comes in, change the fifth note. Here's the thing, you know the whole thing, I'm not gonna explain the thing. So here's the thing, we're just gonna do a different thing, enjoy the thing. And then Spider Man, Miles Morales, adult. Yeah.
T.C.:No one would sign off on that. No one would sign off on that.
Jim:Okay. Well, now that I said it, good. That's that's out of my system. Let's let's move on. Let's actually do this.
T.C.:There is a comic currently being published right now, and it's a year in the life, or it's I'm gonna reference a comic that I'm not gonna remember the damn title to.
Jim:I do it all
T.C.:the time. It is the the concept behind it is if Spider Man that was created by Stan Lee never rebooted and that he aged appropriately to the decades that passed.
Jim:Judge dread style.
T.C.:Yeah. It's exactly what I thought. So it starts in it's called Spider Man the sixties. Spider Man the seventies. Spider Man and and it's a ten year jump between issues, and all the major events that took place in the decade that the comic was published Mhmm.
T.C.:Still happens. Sure. So Spider Man the nineties, where he's 30 year old years old, the the Clone Saga still happens. Sure. In, the February, 09/11 still happens.
T.C.:Civil War still happened. And then twenty tens, that's the last issue that's gonna come out, and it hasn't come out So what about doing Spider Man four with Tobey Maguire? Instead I know they're asking us to do a reboot here if that's what it is, but let's let's try to let's try to think outside the box here. If if Tom Holland's still contracted, that's fine. But if it's a matter of, like, we need to creep creep still produce Spider Man movies, why not a Tobey Maguire four?
T.C.:I mean, I'm not gonna say Amazing Spider Man three because no one's asking for that. But what about filming and giving getting Sam Raimi back? Getting Spider Man the Spider Man four he always wanted to create. Now here lies a problem. His villain was gonna be Vulture.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And then his villain was gonna be Mysterio. Mhmm. They've already checked those two off. Mhmm. So Scorpion.
Jim:I don't know. So okay. I'm I'm I feel like that's unfair to the demand.
T.C.:I I think we
Jim:need to do a reboot.
T.C.:We have to ah, damn it.
Jim:Let let's just quickly discuss four. Okay. So, right, we let's Tobey Maguire comes back. It's been, what, twenty years at this point?
T.C.:I know. Right? I'm upset too. I'm upset too. The poor dog is upset for just referencing a Spider Man fork.
Jim:Okay. So So Toby comes back. Yep. Sure. Actually, Scorpio I kinda like that idea.
Jim:Pull I'd maybe there's a dumb way to go, but I'm imagining a a little bit of a Balboa situation here.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So you have an older Spider Man having to deal with we make Scorpion very young. Young younger characters.
T.C.:Yeah. Okay.
Jim:Right? The the whole idea of you're you're old school. You're you're old man. You're done. I'm I'm young, and you can't stop me.
T.C.:And he's been at this for twenty years. So we can have even just background references to all the movies we never saw from Tobey Maguire.
Jim:Sure. Yeah. We could
T.C.:see, you know, Aunt May could have could be Aunt May is deceased in this, and how does he react to that? Sure. He could be divorced from Mary Jane, or he could be married. I I think the the logical way to go with Spider Man is because he's always kicked in the balls over and over again by life. Yeah.
T.C.:He's separated or divorced from Mary Jane. Yeah. In the comic I just referenced, he is separated from Mary Jane. They have twins together, and they are she lives in Portland. Like, she wants nothing to do with him.
T.C.:So the, scene where would Tobey Maguire be as a Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker be twenty years down the road if we got five more movies that we didn't get to see? Sure. There could be something to that. That could be I I I am more interested in seeing that than watching Sony screw up Tom Holland. I am more interested in seeing Spider Man four and call it Spider Man four than I am in seeing a a reboot.
T.C.:Don't want another reboot. And it is studios are doing this time and again. We've literally discussed this on the show. Terminator, just forget the ones that are bad. Remember the ones that are good.
T.C.:We're just gonna start from there. Halloween, the one that just came out of most recent. Forget all the bad ones. This is Halloween too. So there is a precedent for this.
Jim:I mean, of. They're not really forget them. Let let so the Terminator one works because you're messing with time.
T.C.:Time travel.
Jim:The Halloween Halloween, I believe, it's it does say forget them Mhmm. By just not referencing them. It does not I don't believe it invalid no. I guess It does. He was in prison the
T.C.:whole time. And Jamie occurs is dead in
Jim:Oh, is she?
T.C.:Halloween h two o or the one after that. I did not even realize that. So never mind. There's a present here.
Jim:That last minute of of me talking is garbage.
T.C.:It it wasn't that you. It was the dog. Yeah. So, yeah, I I am more interested in seeing a Spider Man four starring Tobey Maguire. Get Sam Raimi back.
T.C.:I I I know that there'll be a camp element that Sam Raimi brings to everything he does. Sure. But we're fifteen, twenty years removed from Spider Man three. We've seen what works and what doesn't. I there there is something there.
T.C.:That's what I would pitch at Sony if and and and Popular Arthur Studio Alex, if you're listening to this now going, no. You're not meeting my demands. This this is what I would pitch to Sony. I'm like, look. Whatever the problem is with Disney, you can end your contract with Tom Holland and and, whoever the director's name is.
T.C.:Buy buy them out of it if that's the case. Or or, I mean, Sony, you like money, so why don't you do both? Let Disney continue to share Tom Holland and do the Tobey Maguire Spider Man four. You get two Spider Man movies, plus an an an a sequel to the anime Spider Man, plus Venom two. You've already opened up the Spider Verse.
T.C.:Why not you like money, don't you? Well, we want the money that Disney's gonna get. Like, okay. You can make a Spider Man movie that they literally have nothing to do with. Well, that's what we're trying to do now.
T.C.:Okay. I'm having an argument with myself.
Jim:Jim, get
T.C.:me out of this. Does this make sense? Is this a possibility?
Jim:I mean, yeah, it's a it's a possibility. I just I think speaking as as the advocate for King Popular Arthur Studios
T.C.:Mhmm. This
Jim:is not what we're looking for.
T.C.:Alright. Alright. Fine, studio. We're looking
Jim:for a classic reboot.
T.C.:A classic reboot. So now once again, we have a Spider Man origin story.
Jim:So Okay. Oh. How do we tell this origin that no. Because because
T.C.:I got it. Right?
Jim:And and it's it's not it's not entirely unprecedented. People remake classic stories all the time. Mhmm. So there's no reason to approach this as if it's some terrible thing to do.
T.C.:Okay. Then I will say this. We've already we've already given a change here that we can do, and we clearly both want it. I know you want it. I know I want it.
T.C.:You seemed really on board for it. Don't kill uncle Ben. Kill aunt May. There's your there's your you flip the origin on its head. Everyone's gonna go in expecting uncle Ben to get shot again, and here comes aunt May and just like, oh, Peter, I'm gonna great power she can give the great power of great responsibility speech, and there's the purists who are gonna be all pissed off because uncle Ben's not the one who said it.
T.C.:But I I just wanna hear someone say it. The last time we heard it said in live action was Spider Man two, for crying out loud.
Jim:So Didn't they say it in Amazing Spider Man?
T.C.:No. They didn't. He gave a whole, like, wonky speech without saying power or responsibility at all. So, give it to Aunt May. Have it be said.
T.C.:We did hear it by Uncle Ben in Into the Spider Verse. So I we have heard it, but Sure. There you go. Origin story, we're killing Aunt May. There you go.
T.C.:That's my first stipulation that I'm offering up as it's a wild new idea here, Sony popular author. I
Jim:don't I don't hate it.
T.C.:Is is he gonna get bitten again? And if he does, how does he get bit again? Where does the spider
Jim:come from? So I guess that that's the thing. How how, why, and when do we tell the the story as is,
T.C.:and when do and when does it change? Well, Sony loves getting them out of high getting him out of high school as soon as possible. Can we do okay. Oh, okay. Alright.
T.C.:Do
Jim:a super bad, but Spider Man style.
T.C.:It's an r rated Spider Man. It's what you've always Spider Man. Spider Man. Okay. Can what about doing the origin of a 14 year old Peter Parker going through freaking origin again and Godfather to it also have a present day adult Spider man who is a teacher.
T.C.:Like like, remember like, so you go between the past where his origin happens and present day where he's been Spider Man for twenty years. So then you get to cast two people as Spider Man.
Jim:Maybe? Maybe.
T.C.:I just that origin is so done to death. Damn you, Alex, for making us do this.
Jim:So I'm approaching this I'm I'm thinking of this like we've been given the task of making a Shakespeare movie. Pick one of the plays. Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Othello.
T.C.:Well, it's Spider pig
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:It would be Hamlet.
Jim:Yeah. There you go.
T.C.:You're welcome.
Jim:Beautiful. That's beautiful.
T.C.:Do Do wanna I take a moment to just like appreciate it? Yeah. Know everyone listening is like, just don't just give us a moment.
Jim:Okay. Hamlet. Yeah. Right? So and and you can you can play around with with those plays, but there's still a certain way that they're done.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And that's kind of what I think the task here is. So how do we retell this this story without getting too crazy or or or too reinventing?
T.C.:Time jumps. Can I kill aunt May?
Jim:Like I said, I that I don't feel is against
T.C.:I just meant, like, really.
Jim:Fear to oh oh, for for real?
T.C.:Yes. Yes. Murder. Jim signed
Jim:off. Permission to murder. Okay.
T.C.:It it doesn't it's not in the spirit of of the tradition of this. Spider Man getting bit by at a science fair again. Super spider bites him, goes through the whole
Jim:That would actually be so a spy or a a fair hasn't been done. Every time it's been Spider Man visiting
T.C.:Oh, right.
Jim:Right. A science place.
T.C.:Which is the actual Science Science place. Place. A science place. I went we're having a field trip to the All science good. Get the permission slips.
T.C.:Mom, can I go to the science place?
Jim:I'm gonna learn about science.
T.C.:Okay. Alright. Okay. Let me try. I'm constantly you're representing the studio
Jim:very nicely. I'm being the the the stalwart no, and that's that's fine.
T.C.:Can we do the origin? Let's do Sam Raimi's Tobey Maguire script verbatim. Uh-huh. But every now and then, a moment of of Peter feeling like Oh, just breaking the
Jim:where everyone just looks at the camera.
T.C.:Yeah. We're doing this. No. No. No.
T.C.:Like, do it up to a point of some sort of, like, deja vu. What? Like, what's going on here? And we can't use Mysterio because they already use Mysterio, but basically, the the big twisty turn is that he you're giggling. Let me finish.
T.C.:That he's being forced to relive his origin. Oh, sure. Okay. Against his will. We're suffering through it again, just like he's suffering through it.
T.C.:And at some point you twist it on his head where he's like, I don't wanna do this again. And then he fights the bad guy who's making him relive it. What are you giggling at over there? I'm giggling because you could do brand new day. Except it's in the middle
Jim:of it. It's after he's already made the deal, and this is him trying to to get out.
T.C.:Okay. Okay. Sorry. New note. You're you're on the side of the you're
Jim:on the
T.C.:side. Start the movie. We're gonna, like, I this is So I I have
Jim:turned this episode instead of just rebooting Spider Man into make brand new day work.
T.C.:That's that's I'm gonna make it work. I'm gonna make it work. Yeah. You're forcing me here. Damn you.
T.C.:Start the movie, and I hate this convention, started at the in the middle. Uh-huh. Like, it's always like, oh, why is Tom Cruise getting beat up on a chair twenty four hours earlier? Right? Oh, why is the exact same script happening with Sidney Bristow getting snapped, oh, twenty four hours earlier?
T.C.:Right? Yeah. Have him fighting, beaten up, going through the like, getting his ass kicked by villains who know who he is and Mephesto coming to him and saying, I'll make you a deal. I will reset this for you. I will send you back to your biggest mistake, and then none of this will ever have happened.
T.C.:So then he reluctantly makes the deal, then goes back, then we get the origin, and everything plays out, but he didn't even though he got to go back and do it all over again, he did it exactly the same. So then we catch back up to the fight that started the movie, and then Mephisto comes to him again and says, I will make you a deal. And he's like, no. No. That I'm gonna take the responsibility of my actions.
T.C.:I messed up my life. I will go forward with this without a deal from you. No deal. Then he hits the Deal, no deal. Then he hits the button and then closed the briefcase.
Jim:And and Harry Mandel says, alright.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. And then a fist bump. Yep. Fist bump.
T.C.:So then you get the damn origin again. You get your brand new day, but you don't really get brand new day because I I'm making him not accept the deal. Yeah. Getting headbanging action here. What do you think of that studio?
Jim:That's also a fun alternate Spider Man movie.
T.C.:So what you're saying is every idea we have is is good.
Jim:Yeah. I I think they're I I think they're I don't think that I I don't think they meet the requirements.
T.C.:Damn it. It's my favorite episode. So
Jim:I think this comes down to literally how because so, I mean, Homecoming cheated in that they didn't do the origin story. But I think that what they what they did do that I thought was really awesome is they found a new way to portray Peter in high school that we hadn't seen.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:I think that's the key here. How what what angle do we take on this? So I a thought I had Okay.
T.C.:We've gotten the nerd. We've gotten the the d bag. We've gotten the well off scholarship holding Peter. Sorry. Hold the thought.
T.C.:Yeah. Maybe your thought. Do you think he's able to afford going to that school because uncle Ben's will? Like, do you think that, his insurance, like, uncle Ben's insurance is I thought they might hint at that in Homecoming.
Jim:Oh, I don't know. At at this point, I think it's stark.
T.C.:Right. Right. But I I wonder if his initial getting into that school had something to do with the uncle Ben's last will and testament his estate. Whatever. That's that's beyond that's just a random threat.
Jim:Well, we could we could suppose about all kinds of the like, that's a pretty good idea. I I also think you need to take into account Peter's crazy smart. Invented a substance and the the the web flinger the slingers.
T.C.:What? Web flingers. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:The the
T.C.:goof The laser sword.
Jim:The goof flinger stuff.
T.C.:Yeah. The goof flingers.
Jim:So he likely has shown so much other aptitudes that likely he has earned some sort of high school scholarship.
T.C.:Right. I mean, that's probably the the real reason he's in there because he's a smart kid. And all the kids there are on are it's a private school that it's not a public school. It's a
Jim:private school. So But I I think, I I think playing playing around with the Osborns more, I think, is might might be the key.
T.C.:I I feel like that was the way Marvel was going anyway. Mhmm. Because there was a there was a casting call out there that Marvel was casting the description of him was like an elder statesman, philanthropist, rich guy. And it was like, is this Norman Osborn or is it Silvermaid? It might have been Silvermaid because the cut scene from Far From Home was the Russian gang that Silvermaid finances in the Spider Slayers story arc.
T.C.:Nerd. But going to the Osborns, so, having him go up against an aged rock star who should have retired a long time ago is what you're Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Jared.
Jim:I I get it. Did you?
T.C.:Yeah. I I did. I'm terrible in this episode.
Jim:That that's okay though. We need to telegraph for the the people who are
T.C.:not nearly as quick as me. Mhmm. With your spider like reflexes. Yeah. Okay.
T.C.:So if we're going into Green Goblin territory here Mhmm. I I'd like to see the ultimate Green Goblin scenario where he basically holds up. Like, I wanna see the Norman in the That was Ultimate comics was trying to recreate the super serum, and basically made himself a physical monster and not a dude in a hack in a in a Power Rangers man.
Jim:I think that that, story wise, meets the stipulations.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:So, yeah, it doesn't have to be a Power Ranger mask.
T.C.:And the fact that he injected and made a sleeper agent out of Harry so that if everything went south, he could look at Harry and go, sell her door. And then Harry would like, I'm the hobgoblin. And then he hulk said.
Jim:I I didn't I didn't read that far into Ultimate Spider Man.
T.C.:That would have been That that would happen. That would be what happened. Yeah. The same movie or maybe,
Jim:but What I'd maybe it's just something I like doing. I would actually wanna seed all kinds of other Spider Man characters
T.C.:in there. Seed them in? Yeah. Do you they they love that. Did you see Amazing Spider Man two?
Jim:Oh, yeah. Yeah. But they somehow did it wrong there. Like, they did it in a way that made me feel bad for liking stuff like that.
T.C.:I was a big defender of Amazing Spider Man two Yeah. For a too long.
Jim:I was actually, I was as well. I was like, no.
T.C.:I had fun in that movie. Did. It's like reading the graphic novel. Yeah.
Jim:Okay. Yeah.
T.C.:And and then okay. I admit this is bad. Go back and listen to old rewatchman podcast, and I'm like Oh, yeah? T.C. Defended this way longer than you should have.
T.C.:I know. I admit it. I was wrong. I
Jim:mean, there are things about it that like, Emma Stone was great.
T.C.:Oh, she's she's great. Yeah.
Jim:Re reinventing the the the the Osborn problem is like a a genetic disorder.
T.C.:Not Not That's that's a final thing. It's a poorly executed film. Yeah. So
Jim:are you Teasing the sinister six the way they did? I was kinda looking for like,
T.C.:okay. Let's I'm on board. It was better than a quick time file of of Yes. In in the middle of
Jim:the movie that might just be a dream. Who cares?
T.C.:Gotta get our, our prerequisite of bashing of the Mary Jane or Gwen.
Jim:PBS. What?
T.C.:Mary Jane or Gwen. When we're seeding we're seeding character, we we put them all in there. So Liz is in there as well? Yep. Care
Jim:Keep them coming.
T.C.:K. Betty Brantz? Yep.
Jim:Daredevil? Oh, yeah. Everyone.
T.C.:Hey, they're not using Hey, Disney. Since Charlie Fox is
Jim:don't name those characters. My bad.
T.C.:It's a blind lawyer guy. Blind yeah. Super blind lawyer guy.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:So, he gets bit again. Imp. Just calling that Risky imp. Risky imp.
Jim:Yeah. I said a dare.
T.C.:I get it. Get it?
Jim:I do. I'm gonna push that button.
T.C.:This is the whole subtitle of the episode.
Jim:Yeah. You get it? Yeah.
T.C.:So he gets bit again. How old are we talking? Are talking high school?
Jim:Who are we gonna cast?
T.C.:Say oh, gotta cast them too? Are you kidding me? What what? This is that's supposed to be one third of the fun of this whole show. I don't know.
T.C.:Then we gotta make him a dull because I don't know any young what's Harry Styles doing? Kids. How old is Harry Styles? Is he too old now? He's in his twenties.
T.C.:Right? Probably. Hayden Christensen. Uh-huh. What's he doing?
Jim:No. You're okay. That's fair. That's fair. I I There is probably some aware enough of of young actors to to know who could be cast.
T.C.:Like we said, we're both over 30. It's true. At the very to call it back to the beginning. Yeah. Both of our hands are glowing.
Jim:So Well, mine's actually died out. It's been
T.C.:Oh, because you're you're out of the been glowing so long. I'm still in the demographic.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:The the the desirable one.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of the I'm out of the demo.
T.C.:Here's some Metamucil. Okay. So as far as casting, the question would be, do we go high school again? Do we get him into college as soon as possible? It seems that Sony is very into getting him out of high school as soon as possible.
Jim:So I think we can do both. I think we can do the origin. He's in high school, and we just have enough time passed during the movie that he gets to college.
T.C.:He graduates in Spider Man one. He graduates in Amazing at the beginning of Amazing Spider Man two. So Sony is real quick to get a 20 year old actor to stop playing a teenager. So Mhmm. We we probably are looking at that happening in
Jim:this movie. So we can we can start him as a senior.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:We can have him graduate at the end of act one.
T.C.:So let's let's I said science fair on accident before instead of science place. So what if he is bit by someone else's science project who could be the villain in this? And if we wanna go with Osborn's having some sort of organic hulking out situation here, could Harry have stolen something from his dad to pass off as his own science project that is a spider that bites Peter?
Jim:I really like that. It totally works into into Harry being irresponsible, an irresponsible rich kid.
T.C.:Boom. Literally came off the top of the gourd on that one. The audience is impressed. Oh, she's not impressed. Thank you, Leah.
T.C.:Thank you, Leah. So okay. There you go. That's your that's your origin. You get you get Peter at the nerd at high school.
T.C.:It's the senior project. Harry tries to pass it off as his dad. Something goes wrong. Maybe a fire breaks out. Peter rescues some people just as
Jim:Peter His web slingers, maybe not the slingers themselves, but the the The goo. The goo. The goo flinging.
T.C.:The goo what gets flung Never get
Jim:is is Peter's science project. It's important to me to discuss that right now.
T.C.:That's great. No. I like that. That's perfect. So we get the we get the spider fluid.
T.C.:We get the spider that bites him. We get Harry set up. He stole from his dad. Peter gets bit. He he's he's the hero because he could like maybe he pulls Mary Jane out of the fire and goes back in to see if anyone else is there, that's when he gets bit.
T.C.:And then he gets knocked out. The firemen drag him out. He's recovering from his injuries, thinking it's just burns and concussion. Well, what's this little bite in my hand? Oh my god.
T.C.:I'm a Spider Man. Yeah. And then, then we proceed with, with, Spider Man Adventures.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Does Harry just outright become the villain in this? Like, let's
Jim:No. So right. So how you you mentioned a fire. Right. How does that fire start?
T.C.:I have an idea. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.
T.C.:That's your villain introduction. Is this we're just putting everyone in this damn
Jim:high school. The Osborns. It's it's it's what it is. So Harry takes the spider. Norman get gets wind of what's happened.
Jim:Mhmm. He's not one to do parenting himself or or or even or punish his kid or anything like that. And this now falls under corporate problems, so he sends some of his security. Mhmm. Hey.
Jim:Find out what happened. Find out what's going on. Find out what my kid did. Right. They see that the way they're gonna cover up this stuff because it it would somehow be evidence that leads back to them and some sort of wrongdoing or something?
T.C.:Some sort of genetic manipulation that they did not have the rights to do. Like Yeah. It's against the law.
Jim:Okay. Something like that. Yeah. And so no. That's gonna knock that over.
Jim:That's gonna knock that over real fast. Dog antics. Dog antics.
T.C.:So he sends his
Jim:his goons. Yeah. Who then decide the best way to cover this up is to have an accident occur.
T.C.:So then Norman can be mad later like, you put my son's life at risk. I told you to take care of it. Well, mister Osborne, we took care of you the best we could. It was the simplest solution. Get out of my face.
Jim:Yeah. Because corporate goons are
T.C.:So they start the fire. Yeah. Okay.
Jim:Arsonists. Arsonists. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:So He does deal with thugs. That you know what? I love the origin of of if Norman not just being a a brilliant philanthropist who worked his way up, have him be from the streets. Have him have connections to Hammerhead and the old school gangsters of New York because then you can
Jim:Sony has rights to use Kingpin?
T.C.:That that that's exactly where I was going. Like, that that there could be a setup to Norman's from hell the I'm from the streets. From the streets.
Jim:That is a reference that you don't understand, or maybe you do if you've seen my movie.
T.C.:Yeah. So that he does have thugs working for him. He does have idiot thugs. Like like, he still, utilizes his friends for that came up with him, then that's why they would burn a school down. Sure.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, you idiots. Well, we pulled the fire alarm.
Jim:What are you so mad about?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. See? I told her to take care of my son. See?
T.C.:So now we have a fire. We have an order. Have our first act.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Boom. So now how do we introduce the villain of the movie here? Who is the villain of
Jim:movie? Okay. I'm only fuzzy remembering how Raimi did it. But so going off what we have, a a prototype for these experiments has gone is has is now gone.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Right? Assume destroyed. So Norman is gonna be sort of
T.C.:in the clinch. Mhmm.
Jim:And so that's why he's going to be willing to try the next thing on the on the docket on himself.
T.C.:Oh, no. That no. No. Let let's go. Let's change that up a little bit.
T.C.:Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. K. Is in the clinch.
T.C.:Like I said, he screwed up. He was supposed to hand in this thing to someone who's bigger and more powerful than him. And it
Jim:It's his name on the
T.C.:I know. But but but let's there
Jim:it's a of course, it's a government contract.
T.C.:Yeah. So the and the government is evil in this scenario.
Jim:And and bigger than Osborne
T.C.:or Osborne. So he loses the spider that's going to give him, like, the genetics like that. They'll babble. So he gotta go to the second best option. And he's like, we don't have this tested.
T.C.:It's we don't know if it's any good. I'm gonna hand this in anyway. He hands it in. It's it's it doesn't work.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:So he is confronted by the military person that he's supposed to be connected with. This can be a seed for a future villain. This is a bad guy Sure. Who can say to him, you know what? Norm, you screwed up.
T.C.:You screwed up real big here. And you know what? You like to use these gangster methods, these street methods, and he just starts, like, beating the shit out of Norman in his lab. Right? Mhmm.
T.C.:He's like, you know, your thing doesn't work here. Maybe this one works. Stab Norman. Maybe this one works. Stab Norman.
T.C.:Maybe this one works. No. And and basically stabs him with all his formulas and thinks he kills him and leaves him to die. And, like, you know, hey. You know what solution they like?
T.C.:Burn this place down. And then he leaves OsCorp. The this government agent leaves OsCorp.
Jim:Wow. The government's real
T.C.:Well real evil
Jim:in this I'm I'm not against it, but it's
T.C.:So then Norman survives, not knowing why, and it's because he has become the Green Goblin. Yeah. His revenge is going to be on the man who hurt him. So he's tearing around New York City, going after the people who wronged him, and Spider Man has to stop this bad guy from doing stuff. Sure.
T.C.:There's nothing personal between Norman and Peter at this point. It's when Mhmm. Norman puts two and if he puts two and two together that, you have spider powers. My formula worked. Give me your blood.
T.C.:Then you have your second act reveal of, like, Norman and Peter figuring each other out. And then you can go into your third act of stop the bad guy who's going after bad guys. Spider Man saves the day, but now the government knows he's exist knows he's knows he exists, and he's he's gotta stay, you know, the friendly neighborhood Spider Man that no one likes. There's your there's your origin movie. Yeah.
T.C.:I think so. We've planned to see for future movies with who is this shady government. I don't want that to be a big thing. Just whoever government guy is that that basically and there's all there's a sympathy there's a sympathy here. Norman's a bad guy.
T.C.:He sent some goons from the street to rough up his son. He's not a good guy. But played correctly, there would be some sympathy for him. I think Willem Dafoe did did that pretty well in the rainy ones where he's like, Peter Peter, I don't know what's happening. I don't know what I did.
T.C.:It's him. He's inside me. Like, that that element of sympathy portrayed by the right actor, there would and Peter's a good guy. He's not out to kill anybody. He's out to to save and protect people.
T.C.:So then there's a debate of, like, Norman, like, the same thing that Tobey Maguire goes through. We're treading some previous ground here, but I think we're finding a new way to do it. Yeah. I think so. Bam.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I'm I believe that that meets the stipulations and is an entertaining premise.
T.C.:Yeah. I I as as begrudgingly as I would go to see another origin movie, if it was handled with that sort of of respect to the source material. We didn't we didn't change all this around. The oh, we did skip over the Uncle Ben scenario, the great power, great responsibility. Oh, yeah.
T.C.:We went from him getting powers
Jim:Oh, yeah. We did.
T.C.:Him getting powers to him becoming Spider Man. So we we did glaze past that. Do we still do we have the
Jim:great feels like it feels like we're jamming too much into a montage at that point.
T.C.:No.
Jim:Like, Not turn turning his whole wrestling career into a montage type thing.
T.C.:I don't wanna do that. I I think there's a way to have the beginnings and the fire happen in the first fifteen minutes of this movie or so, have him realize his powers. So basically four acts in a sense. Realize
Jim:his powers. Is our is our opening literally them setting up the Oh,
T.C.:the science fair? Absolutely. 100%.
Jim:Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy go walking by, and Peter just goes, hey. Hey. Hey. Then and Harry's like, oh, Peter, you're such a nerd.
T.C.:The the no. No. Yeah.
Jim:Check out my spider. And he's shaking a jar with a spider. Then he's like, me me me.
T.C.:I would open with the science fair being set up and Peter being nerdy nerdy glasses suspenders, Steve Urkel all the way, setting up his stuff and and also juxtaposing with Harry stealing from Oscorp. So we're setting up the, like, Sure. Like, suspense here. He gets bit. Okay.
T.C.:So then we have the fun and games of of him having his abilities. How do we get uncle Ben killed? That's the last little element here, and we have the rest of the movie. So how do we how do we go through the great power, great responsibility? Okay.
T.C.:Throwing out an option here. Sorry. We're we're we're we're really in the zone here, Jim. At least one of us is.
Jim:So here's something I I haven't heard, and this might betray uncle Ben, the entire notion of it. What if uncle Ben again, I'm I'm assuming more scenes than than I think you're you're already looking to eliminate.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:What if during Peter's early escapades Mhmm. Trying to make money with his powers and stuff like that, obviously, Uncle Ben knows something is going on. What if Uncle Ben knows exactly what's going on?
T.C.:That he he knows he's Spider Man. Yeah. Okay. I like that. And that he he can't, you know what?
T.C.:In the the allegory is that right what I'm using correctly? The metaphor for what the Raimi's Spider Man one is is puberty. Like, there's no Oh, sure. Yeah. It's very clearly him looking in the mirror, looking down, and going, big change.
T.C.:Like Yeah. So there is that embarrassing element of how do you talk to your teenager going through changes So uncle Ben knowing what's going on and not being able to discuss it with him. Even thinking of it being funny. I I like like No. I didn't I didn't mean it funny.
T.C.:But they Hey.
Jim:I I know you're a you're a vigilante.
T.C.:Oh, you mean, like, straight going at not even tiptoeing
Jim:around it. No. No. He doesn't say that. But, like like so that that's the subtext Mhmm.
T.C.:Is is I think we're on the same page. Yeah. Yeah. I think
Jim:so.
T.C.:Yeah. I because yeah. I think that that that is something there. So how does he how does uncle Ben still get killed then because of Peter? If his uncle says, you know, you I I think I have the hint.
T.C.:Maybe not these words exactly. Mhmm. I think I know what you're capable of. I do know what you're capable of, son. I've I've raised you your whole life.
T.C.:I've seen I know what you're capable of, and you need to do better. I think that you need to try to be something more. And, like, giving him the speech of without directly saying, like, I know you're that spider dude flying around. Yeah. And Peter's gotta be upset by that.
T.C.:Maybe okay. Yeah. Would this Peter Parker be so excited about his abilities that he doesn't even, finish his applications to college? Does he drop all his responsibilities and think, no. I can just be famous.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. That's great. So then then uncle Ben's speech is like, you need to be do something more with your life. You can't just be swinging around town with your friends and hanging out hanging out. Like Yeah.
T.C.:And then Peter could just be like,
Jim:what's with all the puns on the bank?
T.C.:But Peter could be mad. Like, there's no point. There's no point in getting my degree. You have your degree, look what you did with your life. Oh.
T.C.:Boom. Threw it in his face. Yeah. And and and and being like, there's no point. I can I don't need to go to college?
T.C.:Everything we did to give you your education, to see how smart you are, to help you with that, and you're just gonna throw your education away, I'm gonna make something more of my life than someone who has a degree. Great power. Great response. That whole thing. So then
Jim:Does that does that not jive well with making spider web and, slingers web slingers?
T.C.:Well, no. He he he No.
Jim:I I guess yeah. Because he's using it for his own entertainment.
T.C.:But he doesn't even win the science fair. Like like, he just keeps getting crapped on. He's Spider Man. So it burnt down. It burnt down.
T.C.:We'll never know. We gave it to we gave it to Flash. Yeah. Flash won the science fair. Yeah.
T.C.:I stole mine too. Right? So so he can throw it back in uncle Ben's face. Like, I don't wanna go to college. I don't wanna be smart anymore.
T.C.:I'm tired of being the nerd. I know what I'm gonna do with my future. I'm gonna be YouTube fans.
Jim:Oh, I like that. Leaning in to the like like, the accusations I make of Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Was that he was a jerk. Yeah. But, like like, leaning in now that Peter has these powers. Yeah. And then Like, he he he totally does that.
Jim:Like, what would you do if you suddenly had muscles? Well, I'd beat up all the church and beat me up.
T.C.:So he could he could not stop a criminal who kills uncle Ben. And then there it is. Go go and then I I won't even let Peter have the the validation of catching the guy who killed his his uncle. Like, the Raimi one, he catches him and realizes what he has to do. No.
T.C.:He doesn't he we don't know who did it. Uncle Ben is a shot. We don't know who did it. Or we we know that it was the guy that Peter let get away situation, but he doesn't track him down and get him in this movie or maybe ever.
Jim:Would it be more definitive if the police capture him? He's just he's in prison now.
T.C.:Yeah. Sure. That'd go that's the yeah. That worked in, like, a Batman Begins scenario when Joe Chill was cut was caught in Batman Begins and Justice was served and Peter and Bruce didn't think that was enough.
Jim:Somebody else shot him before Bruce. Jack Rubied his ass.
T.C.:Yeah. So, yeah, there get now we have we have the the uncle Ben. We have the reasoning behind the great power, great responsibility angle. We have the reason Peter goes out and starts saving the day. Meanwhile, we have the subplot of Norman messing messing up with the government and getting turned into the bad guy.
T.C.:You have your bad guy attacking places around the city. Peter's responsibility to do good and help people. This isn't save the world. It's just save the people in that are in front of him. Peter is reactive.
T.C.:He's not stopping some universal threat or even some world threat. He's just stopping the bad guys. Yeah. And Green Goblin happens to be the big bad guy he faces off in the end. That's our origin story, and I'm not and I don't hate it.
T.C.:Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Alright. I would okay.
T.C.:Now now now of all the scenarios we've created here, we have we have our Tom Holland brand new day. We have our Into the Spider Verse Tom Holland story. We have our reboot here.
Jim:Yeah. I We have, like, two other Tobey Maguire movies.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. We have Tobey Maguire four. I think I like if we're gonna have to do the damn origin again
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:I kinda like this one. I think maybe because the spy the Amazing Spider Man did it so badly.
Jim:Yeah. Well, well, they they tried they tried to have it both ways. They tried to make him this this kid that we like, but they also tried making him, you know, he skateboards and stuff.
T.C.:Yeah. You gotta Put him down, Eugene. I can't believe I can quote. Wow. I know.
T.C.:Wow. I know. But
Jim:I I like the idea of the nerdy kid who then suddenly gets the ability, yeah. Yeah. Now I get to be on top. And he does for for a moment, and then things then he sees how things go wrong with that. Actually, not entirely.
Jim:Things don't entire he doesn't see how his powers lead to that suffering. That's the only problem with what we have.
T.C.:Well, if if he knows that the guy who killed uncle Ben is his it was his fault. Like, when they catch the guy and Peter looks at him, we caught the guy who killed your uncle, and Peter looks and goes, holy shit. I let that guy go. Yeah. This was my fault.
T.C.:I got uncle Ben killed. That's it. That's as simple as that. And that's how it works in worked in
Jim:So so I just I'm interested in why does he let that guy go? What's the scenario
T.C.:where let that guy go? Not his responsibility. It's not my job. I'm over here, like, entertaining people and being a cool guy. It's it's it's it's basically the wrestling without Sure.
T.C.:Sticking him in a ring with Macho Man.
Jim:What if he sees him robbing some people that he doesn't like?
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, if he's holding up Flash or something like that.
Jim:Yeah. Like, no. Good. He deserves that.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. There you go. That makes then that connects it to the the cast of characters we already have.
Jim:Mhmm. Nice.
T.C.:Yeah. That'll do
Jim:it. Well and then and then there's a direct correlation of I felt justified in letting him go Mhmm. And that hurt me directly. There you go.
T.C.:Boom. Alright. Alright, Alex. I hope that did it for you.
Jim:Yeah. I'm I'm I'm I'm happy with that.
T.C.:I I do want the Spider Man four with Tobey Maguire. I think there is a that there is a market for that. I think people would jump on board for that. It it the the very notion of announcing something like that would get so much free press. I think Sony would be would benefit from doing Spider Man four.
T.C.:But if we're gonna have to reboot this thing, there we go. Stick to the stick to the tradition of of the origin of Spider Man with some new little twists and turns along the way while while retreading this shit again for the millionth time. But if we're gonna do it, I think that's that's the way you go. Keep it fun. Keep it adventurous.
T.C.:That's what that's what the Tom Holland stuff is doing so well. It's Yeah. It's fun. The Spider Man movies are fun. The Amazing Spider Man one and two weren't fun
Jim:movies. The the one criticism I've heard from from one in particular, Spider Man fans
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:About what they're they don't care for with the Tom Holland stuff. Well, one I had one friend who said that he was like, no. I need that origin. This one's different enough. I wanna know I wanna know how the origin happened and why he's like he's like this.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:And they argued it pretty well that I would I would watch a Tom Holland origin movie, but I don't think it's necessary. I'm I'm good with how it is. And the other complaint was that this Spider Man isn't quippy enough.
T.C.:Yeah. That's that was the complaint with Tobey Maguire as well. And and also the complaint with with Andrew Garfield was that Peter Parker was too quippy. Yeah. Whereas the Spider Man was perfectly quippy enough.
Jim:Thinking for for for my for my money, I think if Tom Holland's Peter Spider Man was quippy I I I guess it depends on the quips. You could probably do more and and some that that wouldn't be like this. But I I'd be afraid of him being too pithy and and kind of it would seem like he's not taking the situation seriously.
T.C.:I I completely agree.
Jim:And Tom Holland's Spider Man gets into he's all about situations which are way more than he can deal
T.C.:with. Yeah. I he's in over his head. He doesn't have time to be that quick witted. He has he has moments of like, tell me where the like, woah.
T.C.:Woah, buddy. Like or like, hey. Has anyone ever seen that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back? Like, that's the extent of his, like, babble.
Jim:Got him a a little bit in in Homecoming when he stops the the bank robbers, the dudes at
T.C.:the age of Thor, Hulk. Nice to finally meet you guys. Yeah. There there is a little bit in there. Yeah.
T.C.:I I do think that we he can't be Deadpool. Deadpool is Deadpool. Mhmm. That works for Deadpool. Having Spider Man be the, like, that's one of the problems with the Andrew Garfield stuff.
T.C.:He just comes off like a a jerk Yeah. To to be so mouthy. Mhmm. Peter's brain is his strongest weapon. That doesn't doesn't need to translate into him always having a smart ass remark.
T.C.:Yeah. But but humor is a defense mechanism. There's there's something to be had there. I I think that's a there's a there's a balance that needs to be set in the dialogue that allows can if he's having a ball as Spider Man before Uncle Ben is killed Sure. Then the yeah.
T.C.:That's where he can start getting cocky. Yes. If anyone's thinking it, it did cross my mind that there are similarities into what we're pitching to Shazam. I I can admit that, but we're we're in a much different territory with everything else around it.
Jim:I don't know. I don't
T.C.:Just the the YouTube famous that Shazam Montage
Jim:was. I think that's a that's a pretty I we didn't specify that he'd be trying to become a a social media star.
T.C.:Yeah. Okay. So I just wanted to put that out there because it did cross my mind earlier. Yeah. So so there you go.
T.C.:I think I think we got something here. I think so. I think we can continue this over dinner as we end the podcast here. I think so. But I am curious if we we met Alex's stipulations.
T.C.:Thanks for throwing that at us on the way over here. Let us know. Yeah. Yeah. But also anyone who might be listening, us know what you may or may not think of our of our options here.
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Jim:At Tupac Waxon. I'm sticking with it. Yes. I'll I'll change it one of these days, and then the all of these jokes won't make any sense. But Yeah.
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Jim:And, Fin, I'm still not telling you
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T.C.:So
Jim:What? What? Just a dumb thought occurred to me.
T.C.:Really? What is your dumb thought?
Jim:What if we were to tell Spider Man's origin as Hamlet?
T.C.:I I guess that would mean the murder of Uncle Ben is Peter's dad?
Jim:What? No. No. That's too direct.
T.C.:No. Peter's dad was killed by
Jim:the Claudius would be Osborn.
T.C.:Oh, okay. Osborn kills I am I would put money down that there is a Shakespeare version of Spider Man already in existence. And you know what? Will there be a better Shakespeare play to do to Spider Man? Romeo and Juliet?
T.C.:I don't know. Alright. Thank you everyone for listening. We're gonna fade out here as we go. I I've been T.
T.C.:C? I've been Jim. I I put a question mark at the end of my name. Yeah. That was a typo.
Jim:That's okay. That's why I
T.C.:was wasn't sure if I It's a typo of my name. I mean, you you have been. Yeah. I have been. And you have been.
Jim:Have have I've been Jim?
T.C.:I think so. Okay. Alright. Cool. Thank you everyone for listening.
T.C.:This is the end.
Jim:This was it. End, personally trapped them besides
T.C.:okay. Never mind. This is a bad idea. You can't go now.