Okay. Here we go.
Jim Burzelic:Ready? Do it. Oh, it's already going. Oh, great. Hello, and welcome to The Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord.
Jim Burzelic:We talk movies all the time. In particular, we complain about the choices made in blockbusters. And, of course, as any good nerd does, we automatically assume we could do it better even with the demands and restriction that clearly must have been put on a production. Mhmm. I am Jim, and joining me as always is my cohost, TC DeWitt.
Jim Burzelic:That's me. Uh-oh. There's more uh-oh. I've broken the facade. I have a script.
T.C. De Witt:You did good.
Jim Burzelic:So so where to begin?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Where to begin?
Jim Burzelic:We have our ridiculous pile of studio property.
T.C. De Witt:You gotta ask what I'm doing.
Jim Burzelic:Oh. Oh, I I did miss that. How are you do how are you doing?
T.C. De Witt:I'm and you did a good job doing the intro there.
Jim Burzelic:Well, thank you.
T.C. De Witt:The studio demanded you did the intro.
Jim Burzelic:It it it did. It did. And We discussed it. I got most of it. You did.
Jim Burzelic:See,
T.C. De Witt:you know, this does is that I didn't cause normally, like to throw you a curveball with just something random for your middle name Sure. But then provers you to have to improv.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. And but then I didn't. Instead, I just stumbled on the script and
T.C. De Witt:So did you see what your middle name was gonna be today?
Jim Burzelic:Jim. Oh, yeah. Yes. And. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Jim. Yes. And.
Jim Burzelic:That well, funny enough, that's my actual middle name. That's why I didn't know that it was an ad lib.
T.C. De Witt:You just thought I I somehow uncovered your birth certificate. Yeah. Yeah. I got the I got the the actual proof the carbon copy.
Jim Burzelic:Yes. I am.
T.C. De Witt:Do people know carbon copy with a I'm not even old enough to have known what a carb like, I've never used a carbon copy. Do you know a carbon
Jim Burzelic:copy? Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:I'm talking to our studio over here.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I've used a carbon copy. You've used a carbon anytime you had to sign a thing and then you ever had to pull the pages apart because Right. Oh. It signed through to
T.C. De Witt:the ones underneath? The carbon paper. Yeah. We are dating our audience right now.
Jim Burzelic:Carbon dating? Go.
T.C. De Witt:Ew. It's terrible. It's like, it's one of those things like, because when you write an email, right, you can CC someone. Wonder how many people know that the CC Oh, that's what
Jim Burzelic:CC is?
T.C. De Witt:Means carbon copy.
Jim Burzelic:My favorite honestly is BCC.
T.C. De Witt:Blind carbon copy. It's it's my mic's a little higher than I want it to be. That that's that is a nice option that you couldn't have with a typewriter. Right? Because, like, how would you send well, no.
T.C. De Witt:I guess you just mail to someone that I had a second copy I made with the carbon paper, and I sent it to someone.
Jim Burzelic:Well, that that was a thing. Right? I think they made special sheets that you could put into a typewriter. You know? So then you type on the one, and then you pull it apart.
Jim Burzelic:And you just have a carbon
T.C. De Witt:And this is my fault for bringing this up. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Well, but now I'm now I'm trying to think of what what was the the we had them in grade school. I'm assuming you did as well. Perhaps our listeners didn't. The the the ditto copies or the teachers would make copies, and they'd all be purple. The copies would all be
T.C. De Witt:you know what I'm talking about? I do not know what you're talking about. You don't know
Jim Burzelic:what I'm talking about?
T.C. De Witt:You're an old man. Yeah. You're an old man.
Jim Burzelic:When they were fresh, they smelled good.
T.C. De Witt:I like the smell of a good fresh brand new comic book fresh off the print. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:That's good. I don't know if I've ever actually smelled a fresh comic book. I've smelled them fresh out of a box.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. How you guys Yeah. You're huffing.
Jim Burzelic:Oh,
T.C. De Witt:yeah. Can we get a can we get the smell of new comic book candle scent?
Jim Burzelic:Would that actually be good?
T.C. De Witt:You know, probably not. It's one of those things like like, I love the smell of new shoes. Like, when you go into like a Sure. Like a Payless Shoe Source. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:You know those? I do. Just to continue with carbon copy and being a dated thing. Payless Shoe Source has gone bankrupt. They don't exist anymore.
T.C. De Witt:Going in there and get a good huff of like a Rogan's shoes. You ever been to a Rogan's shoes? Rogan's.
Jim Burzelic:I don't know
T.C. De Witt:if I've been to
Jim Burzelic:a Rogan's. I mostly remember Payless because they had the very specific font with the the orange circles for several letters, and I never like, I didn't understand how that was connected to shoes.
T.C. De Witt:It's the epaulettes at the end of the shoelace. Sure. Yep. They're orange. At them.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. Mystery solved.
T.C. De Witt:Yep. What is this? I mean, hand something. Vintage comic book smell candle. Thank you.
T.C. De Witt:Look at that.
Jim Burzelic:Well, now we gotta try it out.
T.C. De Witt:Smell it. Is is it a scratch and sniff phone?
Jim Burzelic:Scratch and sniff.
T.C. De Witt:Phones have not reached scratch and sniff yet.
Jim Burzelic:That's how you know we're not in the future.
T.C. De Witt:We are not, and I don't wanna hear anything about it. Okay. That's enough bad boy. How's it going? Okay.
Jim Burzelic:So Good. Yeah. Wanna return to the scripts? Sure. Oh, there's more to more to oh, so where to begin?
T.C. De Witt:Sorry. I you know what? I'm saying I'm I'm segueing again. I had another podcast where we we kind of went on hiatus because it just wasn't working, the dynamic between my myself and the co host. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:And we got one comment on the iTunes saying, I tried to listen to this, and you two are so annoying because you won't stop laughing at each other like you're hopped up on some sort of laughing gas. Do better. That was the review. Five five stars. Right.
T.C. De Witt:So I appreciate they gave us a great review. I don't disagree that we were trying a little too hard, and I'm only bringing it up now because I'm very giggly. I hope that guy's listening going, son of a bitch. I picked
Jim Burzelic:it up. Guy?
T.C. De Witt:This guy can't stop laughing. He's having too good of a time. I'm here for studio demands. What are what are we
Jim Burzelic:here a serious, serious thing.
T.C. De Witt:They are doing the notebook two tonight, and I need to know just I waited. I waited for five years.
Jim:I need to know what's in that notebook.
T.C. De Witt:Sorry. I will stop giggling. But a great segue, what are people here for?
Jim Burzelic:We have our ridiculous pile of studio properties, and we're going to randomly select one. Today, the studio to make
T.C. De Witt:actually Weird now.
Jim Burzelic:We're not actually randomly selecting one. Our studio audience is randomly selecting one.
T.C. De Witt:Hello, studio audience.
Leia:We have randomly on purpose selected.
T.C. De Witt:From from a a small selection of of choices.
Leia:Yes. The creme de la creme. It's risen to the top. Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:And Wait. I just I just wanna right there, I wanna mark that that I think that that alone would make a great movie title and and tag. Creme de la creme, rise to the
T.C. De Witt:top. Tonight on the studio demands you know what we should do?
Leia:Is it a baking movie?
Jim Burzelic:We a baking I wasn't I wasn't gonna make it one, but I it could be.
T.C. De Witt:So the studio demands creme de la creme. I mean rise to
Jim Burzelic:the top. Could be all kinds of things. Honestly, the first place I go is there's a farmer who's down on his luck, but it turns out his cows make some of the best milk Best cream.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Butter and cheese.
Jim Burzelic:And so he's he's trying to enter into contests to to save the farm Mhmm. And his prize winning cow.
T.C. De Witt:Does he have, like, some real jerk dude in a suit who's gonna, like, tear down the farm Of course. Highway? Of course. So it's essentially the save the save the land, save the rec center plot. Yeah.
Leia:Yeah. This film does need to have a slow motion montage.
T.C. De Witt:Oh, the studio demands a slow motion. Oh, just like just milking a cow in slow
Jim Burzelic:mo. However, you know what? Actually, as much fun as that is, actually, I I think I want there to be a a story arc. It's not just about saving the farm because the notion of rising to the top makes me think too much like superstar kind of stuff. Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:So in this world
T.C. De Witt:Oh.
Jim Burzelic:It's it's not just there is this dairy contest. Like, no. Dairy contests are a super popular, super important big thing. And our farmer becomes a superstar, and he thinks it's him. Like, and to some degree, he is good at churning butter and and and all that.
Jim Burzelic:But the cow he eventually abandons the cows, the lesson he learns, he has to get back to his roots.
T.C. De Witt:It was the cows all along. Yeah. Now, you know, you understand that just base
Leia:put out to pass.
T.C. De Witt:Oh. Oh, yes. Good studio. Yeah. Very good.
T.C. De Witt:Thank you. You know who would star in something like this would definitely be a John C. Reilly, Will Ferrell vehicle. Yes. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:With with Adam Scott playing the jerk, like, I'm gonna tear down this farm. Right? And so I love that it's a it's a world where competitive farming is like the NFL. Right? Is that how we're treating it?
T.C. De Witt:Like, tonight on SportsCenter. Yeah. Milk churning. I'm I lost it. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:No. It it's fine. You keep going. Make Yep. Yep.
T.C. De Witt:Yep. So
Leia:Gotta make butter out of that.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Oof. Oof. There, like, an underdog, like, sidekick character who who
Leia:Is it the literal farm dog?
Jim Burzelic:See, you know what? Actually, I
T.C. De Witt:think Moo.
Jim Burzelic:It it might actually be
T.C. De Witt:more Sorry. Moo.
Jim Burzelic:So I wanna take I wanna take the three the three people you name, John C. Riley Yeah. Will Ferrell, and Adam Scott. Yep. But I wanna change the roles.
Jim Burzelic:Oh. John C. Reilly is the villain.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And Will Ferrell is our hero. Yeah. And and Adam Scott is is Will Ferrell's sidekick.
T.C. De Witt:The plucky sidekick. Yeah. He's He, Will. The old McDonald's? No.
T.C. De Witt:He's the guy
Jim Burzelic:who owns the property next to the farm. It's an old junkyard.
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:And he's always coming by and, like, because because Will Ferrell is his best friend, and he's he's trying to help
T.C. De Witt:him and stuff. Oh, man. Creme de la creme. Rise to the stop rise to the top. Are you kidding me?
T.C. De Witt:Let's write this movie. What why not? Like, just go to town on the farm puns. I mean, the main character's name is McDonald. Right?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. He inherited the farm from his grandfather Mhmm. Known as old McDonald.
Jim Burzelic:Yep.
T.C. De Witt:He had a farm.
Jim Burzelic:The the farmers in in Adele?
T.C. De Witt:Yep. Yep. Yep. What is Adele?
Jim Burzelic:She's a singer. Like a Glade.
T.C. De Witt:Oh, okay.
Jim Burzelic:Okay. Or a Glen?
T.C. De Witt:Is there a love angle, like a love story angle in this? Is that
Jim Burzelic:how I mean, yep.
T.C. De Witt:Yep. Some, like, milkmaid. Okay. I think we've we've exhausted the criminal crap. Anyway, so now that anyone who's first joined us on this podcast now has an understanding of what we're doing here.
T.C. De Witt:We are given a hypothetical film. Oh, yeah. Tonight's a giggly night. The back of my head hurts. I'm just smiling.
Jim Burzelic:I was just about to tangent again.
T.C. De Witt:Go ahead. Tangent away.
Jim Burzelic:Why not? When you said anyone just joining us, you mean more joining us for the first time on this episode? That started
T.C. De Witt:I was thinking, you know, I'm
Jim Burzelic:gonna start this podcast. I'm gonna jump five minutes in.
T.C. De Witt:I don't I don't wanna hear the first five minutes. Woah. What's going on?
Jim Burzelic:I wish they'd do a recap. You mean we're
T.C. De Witt:not doing this live? For those of you just joining us. What? Stupid. I I, I hope I do.
T.C. De Witt:I now I genuinely hope that guy came over to this podcast to listen to. I am warm. I'm taking my look.
Jim Burzelic:It's it's getting warmer in here.
T.C. De Witt:It's all our hot air. You know, this feels good. You know? Because I felt like BVS was a poor choice because we ended up more or less arguing about it Yeah. The last time we recorded.
T.C. De Witt:I walked away feeling bad. Like Mhmm. What then I should've known because we were we were drawing from some spoiled fruit some spoiled milk already that, you know, we we I felt the aggression that we were feeling towards each other could have been settled if our moms had the same name.
Jim Burzelic:It's true.
T.C. De Witt:Not a tangent worth making right now. No. But thank you for joining us, everyone. This is the Studio Dimensity. Okay.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Here we go. What do we got? So this this week
Leia:Alright. Studio Dimensity. Of this room Mhmm. Have gone through the the short list, and you are demanded to remake Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Oh.
T.C. De Witt:Oh, boy.
Jim Burzelic:Oh, no. Yeah. I deserve this.
T.C. De Witt:Oh, you this is on you, isn't it? It is. Oh, Jim. Oh, boy. Okay.
T.C. De Witt:You. Thank you, studio. There you go. It's good. From the peanut carrier.
Jim Burzelic:Turn the get this away from me. I'm just gonna stare it the whole time.
T.C. De Witt:Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Him. So the prequel series to Harry Potter. Yes. Well, I I will I let me ask you this first, Jim. Have you seen the Harry Potter movies?
Jim Burzelic:Yes. Do you like I've I've seen the Harry Potter movies. I did enjoy the Harry Potter movies a great deal.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Have you read the books? I have read the the book the Harry Potter series. I have not read do. Okay. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Have not read the cursed child Cursed child. Yeah. Or or the the stage play.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. That is
Jim Burzelic:Was that That is same thing?
T.C. De Witt:Same thing.
Jim Burzelic:Was there thought there was another one.
T.C. De Witt:Well, there's the cursed child one and two, and then there's also textbooks such as fantastic beasts and where to find them.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I haven't I haven't read those either.
T.C. De Witt:Hogwarts of history and
Jim:Isn't there a quiche
Jim Burzelic:one guy?
T.C. De Witt:Tales of beetle of bard. Yes. That's also another one. The Fantastic Beasts book is more or less a textbook. The opening forward by the author, Newt Scamander Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:Gives the detail of information that then became the extended story that we're gonna get for five movies. He just mentions Five? Right.
Jim Burzelic:I thought it was supposed to
T.C. De Witt:be three. You gotta milk that cow.
Jim Burzelic:Alright. So it's a theme for tonight.
T.C. De Witt:Yes. True. So, yeah, so the forward, Newt Scamander talks about being being doubted by people because there was rumor that he was actually traveling the world secretly for Dumbledore to overthrow Grindelwald Grindelwald. Ah. And that's just in the forward, and then the book proceeds to talk about animals.
T.C. De Witt:Magical beasts, if you will. If you will.
Jim Burzelic:I will.
T.C. De Witt:Thank you. Sue, fantastic piece of where to find so what did you think of the first one?
Jim Burzelic:So I enjoyed it. Mhmm. But to be honest, I feel like a bunch of my enjoyment was inertia and insisting on enjoying it.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And I feel bad about that.
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm. I I liked it. It just it interestingly enough, David Yates, who has directed the four latter Harry Potter films. Mhmm. He did I gotta make sure I'm right about that.
T.C. De Witt:He did
Jim Burzelic:That sounds right. I'll just go with sounds right. Yeah. He
T.C. De Witt:did the order of the phoenix, half blood prince, and then the two deathly hallows. Mhmm. He then proceeded to do the two fantastic beasts that we've seen so far. The first fantastic beast was my favorite of his directing because I felt that the four Harry Potter movies he did were far too dark. And I understand it's dark content, but he the paintings weren't even moving by the last movie.
Jim Burzelic:Sure.
T.C. De Witt:He he gave up on so much of what made the magical world that Chris Columbus did, what, Alfonso Cuaron improved upon in, prisoner of Azkaban. I felt like he lost a lot of of magic to the series and just strictly came down to blasts from wands. Sure. Yeah. With fantastic beasts and returning to that world, there's so much magic.
T.C. De Witt:There's I love the production design of of fantastic beasts and where to find the first one. Mhmm. So I did appreciate had my doubts going in because he was directing again. Yeah. So to go in and see that he was directing.
T.C. De Witt:So I guess, a question for the studio that we have to determine for ourselves, is he still the director? Because if the studio is demanding that he comes back, I have issues. If we're if we're able to pick the director, I would love someone like Spielberg or not Spielberg. Yes. I'd love someone like Spielberg, but Chris Columbus to come back.
T.C. De Witt:I would love someone with more of a whimsy in their catalog to come back.
Jim Burzelic:So in this one, so this was this was one of mine, and Mhmm. Mhmm. It was I had chosen it because I felt that my enjoyment of it was lackluster. Okay. Like, it was like, that was a fun movie.
Jim Burzelic:Yay. Kinda kinda thing. Right? So I did enjoy it, but I just I feel like I should have enjoyed it more. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:So my demand as a studio Mhmm. Is the wonderfully ambiguous, just make a movie I'm gonna really like.
T.C. De Witt:Just make make a movie Jim likes people.
Jim Burzelic:And I don't I don't know if that's fair or really truly in the theme of our podcast. But
T.C. De Witt:No. No. Spin me a tail. I I don't think you're okay. Well, here we go.
T.C. De Witt:So Newt Scamander is a
Jim Burzelic:I I do have a couple of ideas of my own Mhmm. On on how I would go about it, but I I'll I can save
T.C. De Witt:that later. Let's let's hold on for that because I think you're onto something. This kinda goes to what we did with Lone Ranger where we kind of reviewed the movie before we dived into how we would fix it. Mhmm. And I think you're not I think you're on a similar page of a lot of people that may not be obsessed with Harry Potter lore.
T.C. De Witt:Like, they're the hardcore fans. They're gonna be forgiving, much like Star Wars fans, much like Star Trek fans, that liked the movie, but were yeah. It was fine. And I think that reaction from a general audience, general audience Mhmm. Is why we got the second one being so damn pandering to the fans.
T.C. De Witt:I think that the second one Interesting. Has oh, we have Dumbledore. Oh, there's we have Grindelwald. We have all we have Hogwarts. Remember Hogwarts?
T.C. De Witt:You love Hogwarts. I think I think that the second one was a studio reaction to the to the response to the first one. Do you see what you see
Jim Burzelic:what I mean? I do. That that makes sense. And the thing is that's that's more why I want that's why I want it fixed.
T.C. De Witt:You're right.
Jim Burzelic:I Is is because I on one hand, I get because they're trying to recapture the magic Mhmm. Of what Harry Potter yes. Pun magic. That was and and so they want to they wanna drop the references. Like, yo, you know that name.
Jim Burzelic:That's good. Oh, you like that? And and things like that. And on one hand, right, almost like jingling keys in front of a baby. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Like, it to me to me, those types of references are like that. And and and maybe I'm the odd man out, but I really I was hoping to learn about a whole new world.
T.C. De Witt:Me too.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. Just see the old characters young.
T.C. De Witt:We're at I'm with you on that because the promotions going up today were talking about what are you the American houses that they have, and they didn't even touch the school in Fantastic Beasts. And I wasn't necessarily looking for Fantastic Beasts to be actually, this might be where we're going. So, you know, the fun of coming to this on the fly. What I assumed we were gonna see since he was going to America is more of the wizarding world of America from the youth perspective. Because a good a good thing and a bad thing about Fantastic Beasts, a good thing that I think they lost some of the magic what the original Harry Potter was.
T.C. De Witt:I talk with my hands a lot. Isn't that great for audio? Super good. The the school, experiencing the school from a young age and growing into competent wizardry. Newt Scamander is a completely competent wizard.
T.C. De Witt:Everyone in that movie is a completely competent wizard. So there's no learning about the world. The world just exists. The most learning we get is the difference between British magic muggles British magic world and how they deal with muggles versus American wizards and how they deal with gnomages.
Jim Burzelic:Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:Like, there wasn't and and you have Dave Fogler's character Dan Fogler's character who is the the the gnomage who is experiencing the wizarding world. But he's not a child. He's supposed to be
Jim Burzelic:the audience's entry into
T.C. De Witt:into world. But he's an adult, and he's not experiencing it with the wide eyed whimsy of a child. That, I think, might be where Fantastic Beasts could be fixed to give us something a little closer to what Harry Potter is. Let's see the school. Let's let's maybe not spend the whole movie in a an American Hogwarts, but at least make that your starting point and ending point.
T.C. De Witt:Right? Like, may if Newt goes to the school as his starting point and then launches in an adventure from there, then you could have Dan Fogler not be an adult who gets caught up in the magic. Have him be a kid who gets caught up in the magic.
Jim Burzelic:What? We're gonna cast Dan Fogler as a child.
T.C. De Witt:Sorry. Jacob. The character of Jacob, instead of making him a full blown adult who gets caught up in this, have a third year student, someone who's a who can look to Newt as his mentor. Hey. You're you're a weirdo.
T.C. De Witt:I'm a weirdo because I'm a gnomash who's at this school. That's pretty rare here in America. I'm gonna attach myself to you, and now I'm on an adventure with you. And you're the reluctant mentor, and I'm the eager student.
Jim Burzelic:I'm having an idea. Okay. Please.
T.C. De Witt:That's what this is all about.
Jim Burzelic:Do you remember offhand what Jacob's occupation was?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. He was a baker.
Jim Burzelic:He was a baker. Oh, that's right. He was a baker. Yeah. He That doesn't necessarily work for my idea.
T.C. De Witt:That's right. I might
Jim Burzelic:reframe it. So for me, one of the one of the really one of the things that really grabbed me was that title, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Mhmm. And we did. We got we got some magical beasts.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. And and that was fun, and I wanted more of that. And, actually, that that's the the the franchise. Totally. It they like, they put it in the corner next to the Crimes of Grindelwald.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:It's a Grindelwald. They
Jim Burzelic:they Fantastic Beasts. No. No. No. It's the other way.
Jim Burzelic:It's a Fantastic Beasts. Crimes of Grindelwald. They they they drop it. They they they they kinda they're they're trying to get you to forget about that part and just remember the title. And that's a shame to me because I wanna see more magical beasts.
T.C. De Witt:Oh my god. I got a great freaking idea, Jim. Okay. Keep going.
Jim Burzelic:Keep going. What I would do, so a book ending with a school. Mhmm. Fine.
T.C. De Witt:We might
Jim Burzelic:be going to save I would keep Newt an adult. Mhmm. He hasn't necessarily written the book Magical Beasts in Where to Find Them yet. That's what this is gonna be about is him learning about these things. And so the way we're gonna explore this is he's just come to America.
Jim Burzelic:He's never been here. He may have heard about things, but America, yes, in the nineteen thirties, I'm gonna set it I'm set it there as well.
T.C. De Witt:Same time period.
Jim Burzelic:In the nineteen thirties, America for the the no matches may seem what what's what's the word? Not colonized. It's no longer wild. Right? It's it's Industrialized.
Jim Burzelic:Pioneered. Yeah. It's explored.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:However, in the magical world, that may not be the case at all.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And that that I think that's how I would frame it. So magical beasts and where to find them, we're start you can find them all over the world, but we're starting with the Americas. And so when Newt gets to the Americas Mhmm. Sure, his his starting off point is check-in at the school. Right?
Jim Burzelic:Because that's what wizards do. Apparently, all the wizards in England all went to Hogwarts. Yeah. You it's it's sort of a touchstone. So he does that there.
Jim Burzelic:Maybe he does pick up an apprentice from the school as well. And then he heads out he heads out into nineteen thirties America
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:Which Post World War one. Post World War one. Was was that was that still were were we were they still in the booming twenties, were they into the
T.C. De Witt:The movie is set in 1926, the original. Oh, the twenties. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. Right. So we're okay. It's not the Dust Bowl yet. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:But but we're gonna go off into into America. So this is gonna be sort of a road trip. And the magical version of America is gonna look like a frontier. Yeah. It's and and and so he's gonna run into wizards who are all all out on their own, and they're they're like mountain men type versions of wizards who live out in the woods.
Jim Burzelic:And to to bring in the Grindelwald plot and wizards and stuff, what I would wanna see is Grindelwald is using a lot more magical animals because as the movie is also kind of established, despite how long the wizards have been doing stuff, they really don't know much about the animals. Yeah. And so that's so so so you have Newt who has this natural affinity for them Mhmm. And he's learning about them, and you have Grindelwald who is amassing this power through them and also eventually manipulating wizards. And and and we go out into the Americas, and we meet a bunch of animals.
Jim Burzelic:And the first one, we did. The the first as it was, we met a bunch of animals.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:I'd like even more so even more. Right? Like, this should be the magical doctor Doolittle. It's exactly what it
T.C. De Witt:should be. Yeah. Man, I got can I throw some more elements
Jim Burzelic:in here? I I think oh, I but I wanted to include Jacob as an adult. Mhmm. So our our no maj side. So we have Newt.
Jim Burzelic:We have an apprentice from the school. Yeah. And we have Jacob the baker, who I was actually thinking he'd be a salesman because that's why Newt attaches himself to him because this guy knows his way around the country.
T.C. De Witt:Can they keep, like, oblivious him just all throughout the movie? Like, they constantly wipe his memory. Yeah. So it's not like, I do love Jacob. It actually is the character I love most from that first one.
T.C. De Witt:I really like his story. Yeah. But, like, I love the idea that they constantly keep zapping him, that he gets him from place to place. Can I throw some elements in here? Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Because I love where you're going with this. Road trip movie, 100%. Start at the school, absolutely. Check this out. Starting at the school, picking up a third year or a fourth year intern Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:That is going to travel with him. Yep. So a kid who knows magic, but he's not, like, super, competent. He's still learning. Right?
T.C. De Witt:Someone maybe like a Hermione like, a little bit Hermione esque, very booky, very And
Jim Burzelic:and they're and they're assigned to for to to Newt because, oh, they're gonna they're gonna be able to show you the way around America.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. And it's a a student intern program, and Newt does not want this tag along kid, but he's required to have Mhmm. An a liaison. Right? And the the if the Americans are like, you can have a liaison from the ministry American Ministry of Magic, and he found some loophole of like, no, I can use a student.
T.C. De Witt:Because he and I don't want Newt to be any different. I love Newt's characterization. Is a Hufflepuff through and through. He is he loves the animals. He's a beautiful man.
T.C. De Witt:Like, I love him as like the characters. His masculinity is so sweet. I love it. But having a tag along that he almost doesn't want, who is eager to learn, who is literally taking notes for him. Oh, sure.
T.C. De Witt:For his book. Yeah, that's your assignment. Document everything.
Jim Burzelic:Nice. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Newt can still be spying for Dumbledore. Yep. The going using Jacob to get through Americas. Mhmm. Traveling salesman, going through the frontier, hitting up Chicago, hitting up some, we don't have to see all of America, but hitting some landmarks along the way, having it be a road trip movie, having beast beast beast beast, having the kid there, having the element of Newt is actually doing some work at the same time, some little bit of World War espionage here
Jim Burzelic:Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:Gives an gives that adult subplot that's gonna carry us into a franchise. Like, we have him doing this trip to get this this animal to this place while getting beasts along the way. Mhmm. You have his two sidekick characters. Now we have a three character team, much like the original.
T.C. De Witt:He can run into other something that I've always would have loved to have seen from the Harry Potter universe. It's a bit of a tangent, but it works into this. I would love to see a World War one era, just a straight up spy, Tinker Tailor soldier spy, magic style, with a young Professor McGonigal. Minerva McGonigal Oh. Spy.
T.C. De Witt:Right? Sure. Like, she's I don't know if you know Fables. You know the comic books series Fable? Do.
T.C. De Witt:They did Cinderella had her own spin off series where she's Oh, I didn't know that. It's from Fable Town with Love, and Okay. And it's she it's a great, great series. But that's how reading that and wishing McGonagall was like a super spy set in that era, I'd love to see Newt, like, cross paths with her. Right?
T.C. De Witt:She maybe you know, I that's something that's sorta similar to what they did in Fantastic Beasts two Sure. Where there was several plots all crossing over. I think you got something with this road trip movie. We have our Okay. And We our trio in breaking
Jim Burzelic:the the bigger Grindelwald plot into it. Again, animals, animals, animals. Mhmm. But meanwhile, as they're traveling across America, America is this wilder frontier. So they're traveling from community to community.
Jim Burzelic:The reason the kid's important is not just to document what Newt's doing. The kid and and thus the audience the kid informs Newt and thus the audience to the ways of the American wizard. Yeah. And so and so that's how we learn about the schools or or the not the schools, the the the classes. The houses.
Jim Burzelic:The houses. Yeah. And so they are they keep meeting communities of wizards and witches. Mhmm. Because in America, because of the Salem witch trials, things like that, they're a little more insular.
Jim Burzelic:They don't so much like outsiders, no mages or wizard or or anyone. Mhmm. And even though they do have a magical ministry, again, these are the colonies. They don't like anyone telling them what to do. And so that's another thing that the assistant would be helping Newt do is to kinda get in and not just be forced out of these communities.
Jim Burzelic:And as they go around, they meet alright. A movie is not infinitely long. So they meet a handful of different groups I do. Where so where where they need where he needs to ingratiate himself to them for his mission of learning about Grindelwald, and what he finds out is that Grindelwald has started a lot of the the base of finding wizards and witches who are not happy with how things are, basically bring them over to his side. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:He's starting with these people on the fringes. So he's Newt is finding Dude, JK
T.C. De Witt:Rowling would love this shit.
Jim Burzelic:Are you kidding me? Wizards and witches who are just who are ready. You know what you're doing. Rebel.
T.C. De Witt:You know what you're doing right now. Right?
Jim Burzelic:JK Rowling an awesome movie?
T.C. De Witt:No. I'm just saying you're playing on exactly what JK Rowling criticizes Donald Trump for.
Jim Burzelic:Oh, really?
T.C. De Witt:His his pulling from the front just to get his base. You weren't doing that on purpose? No. I was not doing I mean, she loves it. She's signing off on because it allows her to have some political commentary into this thing.
T.C. De Witt:I'm not saying I want that. You know?
Jim Burzelic:Keep
T.C. De Witt:politics off my show, but I just think it's it's it's convenient that JK Rowling would that seat isn't in her head, I think that if you said that to her, she'd be like, oh, I should've done that.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. So so right. So he goes out there. He does he does the scouting. He finds out about what's going on there.
Jim Burzelic:And that's a big problem. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:And he
Jim Burzelic:it it culminates with with maybe maybe it's mirroring Harry Potter too much, but I'm imagining a confrontation in the woods where it's Newt and Grindelwald with some animals, and they they they have a quick face off and not saying that Newt necessarily scares Grindelwald. Maybe it's the opposite. Maybe Newt and friends barely make it out alive. And so that's when Newt skedaddles back to the East Coast Mhmm. Touches back at the school.
Jim Burzelic:Is going
T.C. De Witt:kid off?
Jim Burzelic:Going to drop the kid off, but he's proving to be a good resource. Mhmm. So he's gonna take the kid with him back to England to report on what he found in The Americas.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna I like some some of that. Yeah. That's fine. I I think the confrontation in the woods isn't I wouldn't do that right away.
T.C. De Witt:I think leave the kid there to come back to for the second movie, because then you could advance it a few years, and you don't have to do seven years in seven years.
Jim Burzelic:So, actually, maybe it shouldn't be the woods. I I like woods. The route that I'm imagining in my head, it's not like the literal geographic route, but I'm imagining this road trip kind of following the the the same arc of Lewis and Clark.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:So maybe that final confrontation takes place on the West Coast, like San Francisco or something
T.C. De Witt:like that. Let's say the West Coast had this going down the Mississippi. Like, well, you know, I I I like the Colin Farrell arc in as the bad guy trying to find
Jim Burzelic:Oh, I forgot about that entire
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. I think arc. That the bad guy plot in the original Fantastic Beasts still can work in this scenario. Right? If we're watching Colin Farrell trying to find this this kid, Ezra Miller, who plays, you know, the Flash in Justice League.
T.C. De Witt:If we're seeing him in some b plot that's not directly connected to Newt, but we know geographically that they're on a collision course, Like, audience can see that their destination, Newt's destination with Jacob and this kid, we're gonna call him Louis. Okay? Jacob and Louis, that they are heading to, you know what? It's gotta be a boy. Maybe we get to I still like the Callum Farrell stuff.
T.C. De Witt:I still like the Queenie and whatever Newt's girlfriend name is. So I still think there are some of those character elements that could work as a b and a c plot where that they are going to clash together. So maybe he doesn't run into spy Minerva McGonigal in this one. So it it's He can he can run into oh, shoot.
Jim Burzelic:What is
T.C. De Witt:her name?
Jim Burzelic:How about this? Go ahead. Instead of perpendicular stories, what if they're parallel? What if Colin Farrell is not this this this big powerful person that he is in the first one. Instead, he is somebody who has so I'm I still wanna have the character of Jacob in there somewhere because he he was a lot of fun.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. And What if
Jim Burzelic:the salesman, instead of being our friendly no match character, is a is a maybe even disguising themselves as a no match. It is Colin Farrell.
T.C. De Witt:Well, he's with them the whole time? Yeah. Oh. Because Can it just be Colin Farrell then? No.
T.C. De Witt:Because then we lose Dan Dave Fogler or Dan Fogler.
Jim Burzelic:But but the the story the story that happens is the reason he attaches himself to Newt is because he sees that Newt is following these paths, so he's going to use Newt to find the kid. Okay. Because the kid is not in New York. The kid's out somewhere in America. I like it.
T.C. De Witt:Sorry. I keep talking.
Jim Burzelic:No. No. That that's that's information. That's really all I had. Vamp for time.
Jim Burzelic:Vamp for time.
T.C. De Witt:Vamp for time. I I like the idea of two plats coinciding that don't directly cross until the end. Right? If you think something like Okay. Fifth fifth Alright.
Jim Burzelic:If you don't want the whole cat and mouse of of their traveling together and trying to keep information, at least one side is trying to keep information from the other, like, literally the audience is falling along.
T.C. De Witt:Oh, he's the bad guy. He's the bad guy? You? Whole time. Just look over right now.
T.C. De Witt:He's right. You'll see it. He's right there. Obscural. Obscural.
T.C. De Witt:Obscural. That's what he's looking for. That's what the Okay. Someone's magic's all pent up inside of him. I think of Fifth Element.
T.C. De Witt:Right? I love that movie in that the bad the bad guy and the good guy never meet. They never cross paths, but they constantly are affecting each other. I'm not saying I wanna go that far.
Jim Burzelic:I I love that in theory. Actually, that was one of the saddest parts of Fifth Element to me.
T.C. De Witt:That Gary Old man and Bruce Willis never got to face off against each other? Well, The studio demands Fifth Element two.
Jim Burzelic:It took a lot of teeth away from Zorg.
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:Zurg? Zorg. Zurg. Zurg. Zurg.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I thought it was a Zorg. Doesn't matter. The bad guy. I like it.
Jim Burzelic:Be because it I it just it didn't feel it it felt it felt coincidental. It felt I don't know.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Anyway, so That's a different movie. Right. But using that as an example of if Newt and Jacob and Lewis are on this road trip together, so that's the a story. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:And the b plot is watching this villain that they're going to confront. That, like, they're on a collision course to each other. Mhmm. And we can still use a lot of what they did with Colin Farrell trying to, manipulate Ezra Miller, and and you have Queenie and Tina. Tina's the agent from the ministry that's trying to track, that's kind of mixing it up.
T.C. De Witt:She's the one that can keep bouncing back and forth between the a plot and the b plot until until the that they all collide again.
Jim Burzelic:That where she's she's on the trail of of Grindelwald. Yeah. And so every time coming. What are you doing
T.C. De Witt:again. Right? Like that that that you create some great tension between Newt who's like and what's even better, I guess so we're kinda making this is a pretty complex movie, but I don't think this is so complex it's impossible to pull off. Mhmm. Because if Tina is constantly like, you again, and he's like, hey, I'm just here for the animals.
T.C. De Witt:But we know Mhmm. Just through some little things he keeps doing that he keeps erasing from Lewis' don't document that, that Newt is up to something. Sure. All all that information like, and and trying to pull off all that information without an info dump, which was the mistake in Fantastic Beasts two, f b two Yeah. Was just like, we don't need ten minutes of everyone's backstory being dumped.
T.C. De Witt:This isn't a book. JK, I wish that second movie was a book. It would probably be amazing. Yeah. It's not a good movie.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. But having Tina accusing Newt of up like, you're up to something. Are you what's going on? I'm not up. I'm just here for the animals.
T.C. De Witt:But Yeah. We know. Wait. He is up to something. What's going on?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Because that might be something that is obvious, but could be a fun little thing. If in the end, he drops off Lewis, he says goodbye to Jacob, he decides not to erase his memory that one last time before he leaves. So Jacob's kinda like, The the little epilogue before the credits, or if you wanna do a mid credits, is him reporting back to Dumbledore, and that's who he's been working for the whole time. Sure.
T.C. De Witt:It would be obvious for hardcore fans. Mhmm. But if you're looking at it for the general audience, when he shows up and is like, oh, I, you know, got the got the animal to where it needs out to the Southwest, which is where the the bird needed to go in the original Fantastic Beasts, these are the events that happened. The Obscura is missing. Grindelwald has been captured.
T.C. De Witt:Mister Dumbledore. And then it's like Mhmm. Surprise. It was he was working for Dumbledore the whole time. Not a surprise if you're paying any attention, but a surprise for your mom.
T.C. De Witt:She'd be like, oh, it was Dumbledore the whole time. She would. Did you know that? You've read the books, haven't you?
Jim Burzelic:That's a it's an uncanny uncanny imitation of my mother. Of your mother.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Yeah. She's she's a nice one. Okay. Let's take a quick
Jim Burzelic:name is Martha's too.
T.C. De Witt:My mother's name is Martha.
Jim Burzelic:Oh, I just wanna say so that that parallel plot with the the bouncing back and forth, I think it would actually be for for one of the subplots that you mentioned, Queenie, for whatever reason, could be traveling with Tina. And then so that's actually where Jacob and her would end up crossing. Thus, we get that relationship started because they keep meeting up. Whereas Tina and Nude, they're like, what
T.C. De Witt:are you doing here? Meanwhile, they're like, what are you doing? What are you doing here? That kind of thing. Oh my gosh.
T.C. De Witt:Dude, that's hilarious. They could have the same conversation every time because they keep wiping his memory. Yeah. So he gets to meet her for the first time every time. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:That's hilarious. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Fifty first dates.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Let's take a quick break here. We're gonna get a get an ad from Six Five Media, our our wonderful overlords who are taking care of us here. So we'll be right back.
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T.C. De Witt:Okay. And we're back. Okay. And we do have a couple of another studio demand that we have to throw in here real quick. Okay?
Jim Burzelic:Okay.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Okay. Don't don't be exasperated.
Jim Burzelic:I I won't. I'm not gonna do the same thing I did before you hit record.
T.C. De Witt:What are you
Jim Burzelic:talking about? Yeah. I'm I'm I'm putting it right on. I'm lamp shading.
T.C. De Witt:This studio demands that we keep Johnny Depp in the movie. Yes. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Alright. Again.
T.C. De Witt:I I have a sell on this. Right? Now so something that bugged me about Johnny Depp's casting to begin with Yes. Was that in the original Harry Potter movies, JK Rowling went out of her way to say these characters need to be cast as the Nash by as the nationality they are in the books. Right?
T.C. De Witt:So
Jim Burzelic:I didn't actually know that. I just I thought with the original Harry Potter movies, she had insisted that they all be British.
T.C. De Witt:No. Well, yes.
Jim Burzelic:Telling me that it's that it was the the nationality of the fictional character.
T.C. De Witt:Exactly. So Victor Krum is Bulgarian in the book. He was a Bulgarian actor. Flor de la Cura is French. French.
T.C. De Witt:She's a French actress. So that that was really neat. That was a really a cool demand, and it created it allowed for new faces to instead of picking faces we all know. Why was Johnny Depp picked? If only for the cash grab, I guess.
T.C. De Witt:He's American. I I would assume Grindelwald and you know what? I could've looked this up in the interim. But what nationality is I I Grindelwald. Gillette Grindelwald.
T.C. De Witt:That is Grindelwald.
Jim Burzelic:His name is Gillette?
T.C. De Witt:Gillette's Grindelwald. Why does he have that beard then? It doesn't make sense.
Jim Burzelic:Is it supposed to be phonetic? So is it Gillette Jindel? Drindlewald?
T.C. De Witt:Gillette.
Jim Burzelic:No. It's Gillette. It's Gillette.
T.C. De Witt:It's Gillette.
Jim Burzelic:I've never heard that name.
T.C. De Witt:He's Austrian. He's from Austria. So why didn't they cast Arnold Schwarzenegger of all people? Here's my pitch, Jim. Okay.
T.C. De Witt:We keep Johnny Depp.
Jim Burzelic:What Oh my god. That's a totally different movie. I'd it it sound that's Double gore. That sounds like a train train wreck you have to watch.
T.C. De Witt:Arnold Schwarzenegger in a Harry Potter movie.
Jim Burzelic:Arnold Schwarzenegger's never played a wizard.
T.C. De Witt:I you know, you may be right. He's been
Jim Burzelic:a robot. He's been a
T.C. De Witt:A Conan?
Jim Burzelic:An alien? A Conan?
T.C. De Witt:He's been a Conan.
Jim Burzelic:He's killed wizards. He's killed the
T.C. De Witt:okay. Here's my pitch. Okay. We can keep Johnny Depp around in that. Oh, he hasn't been in any way.
T.C. De Witt:We can still I love Colin Farrell. And and the reveal that it was Johnny Depp, and that was super disappointing for me as a fan, because I I think Colin Farrell is very underrated. We can keep the reveal that it's Johnny Depp at the end of Fantastic Beasts one, and now he's Grindelwald through Fantastic Beasts two. But the end of Fantastic Beasts two, he turns into someone else again. And every movie, he turns into someone at the end.
T.C. De Witt:And it might get redundant, I think by the fourth movie, people will be excited to be like, I can't wait to see who he turns into this time.
Jim Burzelic:I'd, there there's something there. Yeah. There there I
T.C. De Witt:Well, this is something there. When the when the final confrontation in the fifth movie goes down between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, which they have to have their their fights. Mhmm. Dumbledore can say, if I'm gonna fight you, I wanna see the face I wanna see your true face. I wanna fight I wanna face you.
T.C. De Witt:I wanna face the man that I love. I wanna I wanna fight and then you get to see who the real Grindelwald is. And that could be if they could keep that under wraps somehow, that's that's a great reveal for that fifth movie that I think would excite fans if they cast it well. Because I love Jugla as young Dumbledore. I think he's great.
T.C. De Witt:I think he was a very, very good cast.
Jim Burzelic:He's he's he's pretty good. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:So I'd I'd I that's my pitch to keep Johnny Depp, to satisfy the studio of keeping Johnny Depp around. The studio says the studio says that, every franchise picture we do that has Johnny Depp in it, we have to keep him in it. So 21 Jump Street has to keep Johnny Depp. What are you thinking about over here?
Jim Burzelic:Sorry. I'm I'm I'm I I like I like when certain math things line up.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And see, you keep saying there's five movies. I'm like, oh, wow. How do we keep it going for five movies? And if we are going to be exploring I love the idea of exploring animals, like continuing to go from animal kingdom to animal kingdom. I was just trying to figure out how many continents there were, and if I could line them up.
Jim Burzelic:And there are seven continents.
T.C. De Witt:There's seven, if I'm remembering correctly.
Jim Burzelic:Five movies.
T.C. De Witt:Well, mean, Europe and Asia kinda touch each other, so count that as one. Okay. I'm sure our foreign listeners don't mind if I say that. I
Jim Burzelic:I suppose we'll hear about it.
T.C. De Witt:You were onto something when you said that Grindelwald is utilizing the beasts in the in Americas. Right?
Jim Burzelic:Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Because his army, him using the animals, I think that's the way to go. That that his army, that keeps the beasts involved.
Jim Burzelic:Oh oh, so so only slightly related. So if I'm remembering the end of Deathly Hallows correctly, I don't remember I don't think it was shown so much in the movies, but I know in the books they did talk about how in the the final confrontation between Hogwarts and Voldemort, like the centaurs and the elves and the giants
T.C. De Witt:The merpeople.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. They all came to help Hogwarts.
T.C. De Witt:Right.
Jim Burzelic:What if what if throughout this franchise, not not a single movie, but throughout the franchise, we establish all of those groups, they they technically to the wizards count as animals. Right? Because the wizards, they're quite bigoted actually.
T.C. De Witt:The American ones proved to be because of how how against they are even the blending of gnomes and and magic users. Sure. So they have a little more America, bigoted.
Jim Burzelic:Well, I I I don't just mean that. I mean, like, worldwide. So that way, throughout this franchise, what we do is we establish how Newt is likely the responsible one. He is responsible for how Dumbledore and and our good wizards
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:Managed to to create a repertoire between wizards and the the
T.C. De Witt:The sentient creatures. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:So like the centaurs. Justifying at the end of end of that franchise at the end of
T.C. De Witt:Fantastic Beasts.
Jim Burzelic:Harry That's why the centaurs do come to the aid of the wizards and and and so forth because it's been it was laid out decades ago that that that's where that's where you establish that they're friends.
T.C. De Witt:I like that. That's a nice that's a nice prequel element
Jim Burzelic:Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:As opposed to, the forced prequel elements we see in movies like these where it's like, hey. Remember this reference? Yeah. You get this reference.
Jim Burzelic:Where did he get that wand?
T.C. De Witt:But But
Jim Burzelic:where did he get that hat?
T.C. De Witt:So our second movie, Crimes of Grindelwald, you like the you said you like the under title? Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm
Jim Burzelic:fine I'm fine with that being the the theme of the second arc.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. If if our first movie
Jim Burzelic:animals, please.
T.C. De Witt:Well, if our first movie was Newt traveling the country to drop off an animal, picking up a beast along the way, hold that thought, and we have the beast story of Grunovald as Colin Farrell trying to get this Obscura to to utilize as a as a massive weapon, and then they clash. You get the you get the subway train the subway fight like we got in the original one. Like, all that plays out. They capture him in the end. Okay.
T.C. De Witt:So now this Newt reports back to Dumbledore at the end. So now we have our second movie. Grindelwald has been captured. I like the idea of him escaping. I'd like to see him escaping.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:That that the escape in the beginning of that movie was actually pretty pretty rad.
T.C. De Witt:So we can still keep the I mean
Jim Burzelic:Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:They should have done better. Come on, magic users. But giving him the escape at the beginning of the movie, and then now it's a now now we're in Europe. Like, if that's where he or where does he escape to get you another place to to deal with different creatures and beasts? Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:How do we keep the beast involved? How do we keep Newt involved as your protagonist?
Jim Burzelic:Good question. I guess it depends. Well, so Dumbledore initially sent him to America in the first one. He was returning a bird. Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:That was the pretense for going, but he was actually going to recon what Grindelwald was doing there. Correct?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. That's the
Jim Burzelic:Okay. So now that Grindelwald has escaped, we can even keep the whole reluctant to keep doing what he's doing type thing, but Dumbledore still convinces him to go. Mhmm. And he he basically has to follow a trail of clues. He's he's literally chasing I guess he was sort of chasing him in the first one.
Jim Burzelic:Like, is that just is this just gonna be a big magical catch me if you can?
T.C. De Witt:No. I there's I think the Crimes of Grindelwald could to and the beast element. We have to find a way to, like, really combine those two because they have nothing to do with each other in what we got. So we need to find a way and you've laid the groundwork for that if if Grindelwald is utilizing beasts. So having having him go to the if we wanna get, like, the Russian block, like, going to the Eastern Europe.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I'm I'm thinking to to keep it like that Eastern Europe, we get into some of the the darker vampiric type things.
T.C. De Witt:There you go. And the and we can get giants. Like, we can maybe he's attacked a location, like, first massive attack on a massive location, and and it's because it's creatures. Newt's the one who asked, like, you know these creatures better these beasts better than anyone. You're the expert.
T.C. De Witt:You have to go in. And then don't write his brother out of the story like we got in the movie we got. Keep his brother in, and now that's your team up for this movie. We don't need to bring Lewis back, and we don't need to bring Jacob back. I think we can, and we can find a way to maybe create a c story with them.
T.C. De Witt:But one of one of the major problems with Fantastic Beasts two was just how many damn plots were going on and how many unnecessary plots were going on. Oh. Queenie and Jacob didn't matter. That didn't matter to anything other than
Jim Burzelic:Well, it's it's it's exploring the world and seeing what this unconventional relationship is like and how the the society is unkind to him.
T.C. De Witt:Show me Newt. Show me his brother having to work together. You have your muscle soldier on the boots on the ground fighter versus Newt who's very, sensitive, and he's he's this animal lover. And these two having to work together, and you can still have the the love triangle with Lestrange. I can't remember what her first name is, but the having
Jim Burzelic:Oh, sure.
T.C. De Witt:Having having that element can still play into it. And then then it would be a trick of okay. So you have
Jim Burzelic:Johnny Depp's Grunerbal. Have go ahead. Sorry. I I would because because I do I do like Jacob, and I do want to in include them in the story.
T.C. De Witt:Okay.
Jim Burzelic:But it would be a that might actually be our b plot. Something happens in America where either Jacob and or Lewis how did how did you name him Lewis?
T.C. De Witt:Because you said Lewis and Clark Lewis, path they're gonna take. I just I think Lewis is a good name. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Find out something that they're like, Newt needs to know about this. Right? Like, this is a big important terrible thing. And so the b plot is very early. The two of them meet and get together and confirm.
Jim Burzelic:They're like, oh, yeah. You're right. And so now it's it's about this. At this point, let's I I imagine the timeline would advance to the point that Lewis has graduated.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. So it feels like a we could either make him a third or fourth year in the first movie or he was his graduating year. So then he's a little bit older. I do like the idea of you having a kid because the joy of the Harry Potter movies is is watching the fans as well as the actors grow up
Jim Burzelic:with him. He's a 17, 18 year old kid. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:But yeah. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And so so the two of them are now trying to play catch up. So now they they get together. They so they they share their their MacGuffin. Right? Whatever their their special information is that they have to get to Newt.
Jim Burzelic:And so now the b plot is them trying to catch up to wherever Newt went.
T.C. De Witt:Jacob and Lewis? Yeah. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And and and whoever else in tow, like like
T.C. De Witt:Tina and Queen.
Jim Burzelic:Tina and Queen.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Okay. So okay. If Tina is okay. Do they have some sort of information that they need to get to Newt that, like, maybe would help them kind of?
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. That that's what I'm thinking. Like like some sort of some leftover thing from in The Americas like, oh, Grindelwald's he left his I don't know. His his
T.C. De Witt:His hat.
Jim Burzelic:He left his hat. We gotta get his hat.
T.C. De Witt:Get his hat.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I'm a a McGuffin of some kind. I'm thinking it's some bit of information about the the goings ons or movings of of Grindelwald's army or something like
T.C. De Witt:So let's say let's to to motivate that plot, Lewis could discover it. He's still friends with Jacob, like, visits him, and Jacob still has his little crush on Queenie. They've been having their their forbidden romance. Right? So the three of them kinda have, like, a hangout that Tina complete like, they are trying to hide from her.
T.C. De Witt:Mhmm. So it's like, oh, Tina came home early. Get get in the closet. Right? And she's so she's like, why did you serve why do you have three food plate settings out?
T.C. De Witt:Like, oh, no. Like, a little bit of farcicalness there. But if if Lewis finds something out that he can tell Jacob and Queenie, and then they have to convince Tina, we have this information. We have to get to Newt. So then now they have to commit they Tina's in charge.
T.C. De Witt:We're going. Well, we're going with you. Damn it. Fine. Let's go.
T.C. De Witt:So the four of them hit the road.
Jim Burzelic:Go. It's something Jacob knows, and it's something he can't he can't convey, and that's why Tina can't obliviate him because then the knowledge will be lost.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Good. I like this.
Jim Burzelic:I don't I don't know what that would be,
T.C. De Witt:and I I don't necessarily
Jim Burzelic:know the rules of it. Yeah. But that's that's why they have to take him. They can't obliviate him. Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:And and yeah.
T.C. De Witt:So you have these four characters trying to get to Newt and his brother while they're trying to go they're on the front lines against Grindelwald. Mhmm. The yeah. Then okay. So we we got an element of a of a plot here.
T.C. De Witt:Like, this is this doesn't feel as strong as our first idea, which is a very get to a to b and back.
Jim Burzelic:Well, okay. So well, I think well, I I again, I don't know what that McGuffin could be, but it's it's something important to what they're doing now, and it's something that just telling the ministry to move that information isn't gonna work. Dude, I got it. Oh, fuck. Freaking hydra Hydra's Running Shield?
T.C. De Witt:I got something. I think I got something. Okay. This okay. Wait.
T.C. De Witt:Wait. What? Hydrogen shield?
Jim Burzelic:I I thought you were gonna say so the idea that came to me, the reason that Tina can't just take the information that's in Jacob and say, well, give it to my boss and
T.C. De Witt:be done
Jim Burzelic:with it Yeah. Is because they find out actually, didn't that happen in first they they basically find out that the higher ups are corrupt.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Their Calm Faire was
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. Working for the industry. But basically so it it would be something like that where they can't
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Run.
Jim Burzelic:And and that's just shorthand for me, hydra's running shield is from the Marvel movies. Spoiler for, like, four of the early Marvel movies.
T.C. De Witt:What about this? I'm gonna throw this out there. Maybe we can build off of it. If in our first movie, we have a moment of basically the Spock Bones moment at the end of Wrath of Khan where Grindelwald, Colin Farrell does something to Jacob, and his memory has been wiped so many times, it's, like, buried deep in there. And now because Newt didn't obliviate him at the end of the first one, there's a weird, like, memory thing happening where he's, like, tapping into Grindelwald.
T.C. De Witt:He he pseudo Horcruxes him? Something like that. Yeah. And I I don't want I don't want it to be like order of the phoenix where Harry's, like, seen seen Voldemort. Right?
T.C. De Witt:Sure. But something where Jacob is, like, just just every now and then he like blurts out a phrase like, what was that? Like, I don't know. It's a weird tick I have. Like and then they're like, Grindelwald planted something in him.
T.C. De Witt:It was a
Jim Burzelic:fail safe. Sure.
T.C. De Witt:So like Spock putting himself in bones. I don't know. Is that too horcruxy? Is that too much like order of phoenix? Because I think we could play it for last.
Jim Burzelic:I think I think it could be played a bit a bit differently. We're we're just every once in a while. I'd Jacob doesn't even realize he does it. He blurts out some almost like he's a magical radio antenna.
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Jim Burzelic:He's he's a number tower or a numb a number station.
T.C. De Witt:So then they're like, if that is some something that Lewis kinda deciphers, tells Queenie they have to convince Tina that Mhmm. What what's happening here that I'm I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. We're kinda turning them into the much more of a b less of a b plot, more of an a plot. Like a
Jim Burzelic:See, to me, it's it's I would I imagine the way I would try to frame whatever the information is is it's something that will lead into the third movie or help lead into
T.C. De Witt:the third one.
Jim Burzelic:It they're they won't catch up to them early in this. They're they're gonna catch them For the climax. Like, maybe right before the third act or something like that. And going back to the a plot, what I'm thinking is happening, I kinda like the idea of of the the Eastern Europe Transylvanian type thing.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:I don't know if we wanna go full vampire. I don't know if that's actually a thing
T.C. De Witt:in Harry Potter. Is. Vampires do exist in the Harry Potter universe.
Jim Burzelic:Well, then we can showcase some of them. I know werewolves are a big thing, and I know there are fans of Harry Potter that would love to see more werewolves. Yeah. This is a chance to do that. And, basically, they're doing spy games over there where there's packs of werewolves that they're having to contend with while dealing with other Eastern European monsters and things like that.
Jim Burzelic:While Grindelwald behind this this wall of like, all all the things that are being thrown at at Newt and company Mhmm. They're not things that are necessary like, if they stop them, great, but they're they're really supposed to be more distractions and obstacles Yeah. Because Grindelwald is is headed deeper deeper and deeper into Eurasia. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:I mean, but third movie would I'd love to see in, like, India or China. Like, get them get them all the way in the East in the Far East. Sure. But right now, keeping them in the cold Eastern black Russian border right in there. What's the big okay.
T.C. De Witt:There's there's one more element that we'll have to toss in just based on franchising in the studio. I'll get to that in a and I guess maybe we this will go hand in hand. So I'll say two things off band. We Ezra Miller is the Obscural trying to keep him involved. He evaporated in the first one.
T.C. De Witt:I thought he was gone. The studio brought him back for some reason, and then they had this ridiculous he's a Dumbledore situation that I'm really curious how that's gonna play out. I don't know if the studio needs that. If that's what they demand, I don't know how to do that, like, effectively, but it's a c plot. And, again, my big complaint about Crimes of Grindelwald is there's way too much going on in that movie and not enough focus on one specific plot.
T.C. De Witt:Do we have to keep Ezra Miller around as the obscure as an element in this story that Grindelwald wants to utilize? Because that was his big he wanted to utilize that as a big weapon in the first one, and I don't know. It's just this weird
Jim Burzelic:He apparently still does. I I I think that he's supposed to basically be a magical atom bomb.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. That's sort of the feeling I got as well. So so do we have to figure we I think we have to figure a way to to have that third plot entered into this. And maybe that's strictly what we see of Grindelwald when he's doing his thing dealing with the vampires, dealing with the werewolves, whatever he's doing. Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:Having some element of go get me. Get me. Maybe he maybe he doesn't have a huge presence in this one.
Jim Burzelic:We actually didn't address this c plot in the first one. What happens with the character? When they when Newt and Grindelwald find the Obscural Mhmm. What is the result of that?
T.C. De Witt:Well, I I think the ending can still happen almost exactly like it did in the original Fantastic Beasts where they have the throwdown. He goes practically gonna go nuke on them Mhmm. And he evaporates essentially. Because I thought he was gone. So when he showed up
Jim Burzelic:Oh, okay.
T.C. De Witt:Again, the second one, I was I was confused. I think the dog wants to go outside.
Jim Burzelic:She doesn't wanna go outside.
T.C. De Witt:I think the dog wants
Jim Burzelic:to outside. Dog break.
T.C. De Witt:Dog break. Dog break, everyone. So my what I wanna thanks, Doug. What I want to ask though is what's the climax of this movie? What what is the big final set piece for this film?
Jim Burzelic:The final the final set piece of the one we got conceptually wasn't bad.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. So if to remind listeners who may have forgotten that super convoluted film, it comes down to that big AMC theater fights and he Where where he's
Jim Burzelic:like, I'm giving a speech. I'm giving a big old commie speech. Yeah. And everyone was like, yeah, commies. And our good guys are like, no commies.
T.C. De Witt:But then he's trying to prevent World War two from happening. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:I did it's a really is
T.C. De Witt:he the bad guy then? Because wasn't that a good let's not have that in this, please. Well Can
Jim Burzelic:we not that? I we can we can change it and and maybe be a little more explicit about what's happening.
T.C. De Witt:I
Jim Burzelic:Because I think so it's so I think the idea is Grindelwald is using this portent of the few this terrible thing humans Muggles are going to do. Darn Muggles. And he's using that as an opportunity to manipulate and get control of wizards to do what he wants Mhmm. Which is what ultimately Voldemort wanna do, which was f the Muggles. Get We're gonna take control.
Jim Burzelic:Okay.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. That makes sense now.
Jim Burzelic:But it's not explicit. Right. And I think that's that's sort like like to the audience. It's it's not explicit.
T.C. De Witt:I I say we And
Jim Burzelic:the the here so here's the thing. That final showdown could have been cool except what it should have been is he shouldn't have just summoned, like he summoned magic and and it just it was just a big well, okay. First of all, I thought it would have been neat if instead of just being like, I got the magic. Boom. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:It should have been, I got normal sized magic, and they were like, we're gonna stop you with your normal sized magic. But then everyone's adding their magic to his. He's like, now look at this magic. I got this big magic because of what these people did.
T.C. De Witt:And all these beasts.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. So but but the thing is that's what it should have been. It shouldn't just it like, if you wanna do just big magic, fine. Justify it through through it is symbolic of him gaining all of all of these followers. Mhmm.
Jim Burzelic:To incorporate the beasts, what it does is it lets him summon an actual dragon.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Dragon fight. So then yeah. But then on top of that, like, I get some again, symbolically, what was happening there is all of our orders were all like, there's nothing we can do, so let's just stand here and die. That sucked. Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Right? We need to at least run around. Be be be the be the bad guys in the or I guess, I guess, good guys in the in the in the background.
T.C. De Witt:Run run around. Oh, try.
Jim Burzelic:Try to get away.
T.C. De Witt:Now we got werewolves, vampires, little beasts, and a freaking dragon flying around. Yeah. And, like, oh, man. Oh, can I throw this out there then? If it's if we have our
Jim Burzelic:Oh, actually, say it. So actually I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
T.C. De Witt:I'm sorry.
Jim Burzelic:That's okay. So do do you have an amphitheater. The thing is these wizards can apparate and disapparate all the dang time. Mhmm. So instead of just all the wizards of where were they?
Jim Burzelic:Paris? Yes. So instead of just all the French wizards showing up and going, yeah, you got us, and then leaving, have it be some some dark amphitheater out out in the the the Eastern Europe and have them apparate in. And the beasts, right, the werewolves and vampires and all that, they're not allowed in this wizard meeting. And Grindelwald is fine with that because this is where he's giving his propaganda speech.
T.C. De Witt:Right. Right.
Jim Burzelic:And the thing is after they start leaving, after all the I'm doing hand motions here. True. After all the the wizards start
T.C. De Witt:Apparating. Disapparating.
Jim Burzelic:Disapparating because they've they've pledged themselves to Grindelwald, giving him bunches of magic. That's when our orders can finally be like, we're gonna get you. And the thing is now that all those wizards are gone, that's when the werewolves and vampires come flooding in. And so now we have our, what, maybe 20 order agents
T.C. De Witt:Yeah.
Jim Burzelic:Fighting off against an army of werewolves, vampires, a dragon, Grindelwald and his handful of asshole jerk wizards. We got
T.C. De Witt:and we have so we have Newt. We have Theseus, his brother.
Jim Burzelic:Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:We have Tina, Queenie, and Jacob and Lewis, so they're running around being the comic relief. I feel like Jacob and Luce might verge into the Jonathan territory from the Mummy movies. If you follow the
Jim Burzelic:I I well, I follow the reference. I don't fully agree.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. That's fine. I just
Jim Burzelic:They're they're not I don't really feel like they're an addictive, which is really what that falls into the the TV notion of, oh, season three. Let's add a kid. I I don't I don't quite think that's what that is.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Good. And I don't I don't want it to be that, but I think having that big final confrontation, you're on to something there. If the dragon is the big, it's the tank, the thing we need to take down. If it's Newt you're killing me, Chamla.
T.C. De Witt:I know. Trying to inside
Jim Burzelic:out Newt and Theseus versus the
T.C. De Witt:dragon if Theseus dies. There we go. That's, that that Newt is going Newt can talk to the dragon. Theseus can fight it. Theseus sacrifices himself, so Newt gets the chance to stop the dragon.
T.C. De Witt:That was just my offer. Oh, okay. Okay. Go. What's your idea?
Jim Burzelic:I was just gonna so to give you a context for for Jacob and Lewis. I've had that idea
T.C. De Witt:for, like, five minutes.
Jim Burzelic:I'm I'm very sorry.
T.C. De Witt:That's okay.
Jim Burzelic:To to give you a context that maybe make that may make it okay, imagine them as r two d two and c three.
T.C. De Witt:Okay. I like that. So who's the who's the anal retentive one? Is it
Jim Burzelic:It's Lewis.
T.C. De Witt:It's Lewis. He because he's the bookie Yeah. Student. Yeah. Very, you know, you need to
Jim Burzelic:Lewis Lewis is the no match. He's
T.C. De Witt:he's like, Jacob.
Jim Burzelic:That's what
T.C. De Witt:I meant. You know what I meant. I did. I this is already a better movie for crying out loud.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. And then I was I was try I would have liked to transition to Africa, but going going further across Asia is is a good one as well.
T.C. De Witt:Well, me okay. Maybe we're onto something here, and I don't well, let's not dive too much into what the three other movies can be. Okay. But I feel like I don't know. I'd have to check Harry Potter lore to see when Gillette Grindelwald and Alice Dumbledore had their big throwdown.
T.C. De Witt:Where did that fall in line with World War two? Oh, because we we had hints given to us in the in the movie we got that World War two was coming. The first movie is 1926. The second movie is. And so
Jim Burzelic:Oh, Oh, maybe the hint maybe the hint is about a big terrible magic that's going to happen in America. Right?
T.C. De Witt:Right.
Jim Burzelic:Right. Something that Grindelwald set in
T.C. De Witt:It's still in 1926. The second movie is still in 1926. Sorry.
Jim Burzelic:Oh, it is?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Because it picks up right where the last one left.
Jim Burzelic:Maybe oh, that's
T.C. De Witt:We're changing that.
Jim Burzelic:We could we could change that.
T.C. De Witt:America America finally got their trial. Grindelwald, they took care of another they're they're extraditing him.
Jim Burzelic:This idea all all depends on if you like when fictional worlds like this have have their fingers in whatever pies of actual history happened or if you prefer that to be left alone and for the wizards to have their own. So the idea is Grindelwald causes the Dust Bowl. Okay.
T.C. De Witt:In back in America. Yeah. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:And that's that's a big deal. Right? They collapsed, like like, it destroyed a lot.
T.C. De Witt:It was very depressing.
Jim Burzelic:It it sure was. I mean And and so so that's what they're that's what they're going to try to warn them. That might not
T.C. De Witt:be immediate enough. That could be your cold open.
Jim Burzelic:Actually, no. No. No. I'm gonna no. I'm I'm gonna take that.
Jim Burzelic:You can you can have that little seed in your head if you like Yeah. Otherwise, you can get rid of that. I'm going back to the, just it is just that Jacob is this this number station for, Grindelwald plans, and they're like, we gotta tell our friends.
T.C. De Witt:You to your get his friend. Okay. So World War two so this 1926, if maybe the fifth movie coincides, it's either gonna have to be the, like, a World War two film, which I think would be great because you could have the Pacific or you could have Africa, like, the the the North African front of the war, which is not something you see very often in World War two movies. So why not make that the magic front?
Jim Burzelic:Mhmm.
T.C. De Witt:Or and or coinciding with Grindelwald versus Dumbledore. Again, don't wanna dig too much, Steve. This is what I would say. We can still Well can still hypothesize here, but
Jim Burzelic:I do wanna
T.C. De Witt:say this. If if listeners would like us to hypothesize what the other three movies will be, that's gonna have to be a request someone throws at us.
Jim Burzelic:Well, what they will be versus what we would make. Yeah. Like, based I I think we've actually taken a pretty steep, not that's not the word. A sharp turn from where they're going. So right?
Jim Burzelic:I I mean
T.C. De Witt:Who know we don't know
Jim Burzelic:They're gonna go back to England. It's gonna be in England. That's what the third one's gonna be.
T.C. De Witt:Maybe. Maybe the people will hear this and then be like, these guys. Shit. That's not gonna happen. But, you know, we have three more movies to to dive in that we could delve into.
T.C. De Witt:We don't know where they're gonna I don't even know when the third one's coming out. Like, the second one was so poorly received critically Sure. That they have some real rallying to do. And JK's not doing herself any favors on Twitter right now, which is super disappointing. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Because I feel like people are blowing her retconning out of proportion. That's just my 2¢. I she has every right to keep throwing little things out there, and people she just has to be aware every time she says something, she's throwing a stick of dynamite lit into a fandom.
Jim:So Sure.
T.C. De Witt:It's you imagine if George Lucas had had Twitter 20 ago? Well, actually, Luke was cloned into Luke, and and and and Palpatine's sexy.
Jim Burzelic:I just all I think of is Pat Nozwold's joke about the
T.C. De Witt:time channel. Then he's sad. And he's sad. Do you like do you like Darth Vader? Well, he's a little okay.
Jim Burzelic:We're doing so much. Gonna yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Look it up. It's hilarious. Okay. I okay. So
Jim Burzelic:So I I I think, yes, we we met we met the studio's demands.
T.C. De Witt:We kept Johnny Depp in it. Yep. Who do you wanna turn him into? Oh. Who who?
T.C. De Witt:I I you know what? I'd throw that to the listeners as well. Is there someone you'd like to see in a Harry Potter movie that hasn't been there yet? Like, for example
Jim Burzelic:As a villain.
T.C. De Witt:As a villain, to be the ultimate villain, you know, gay wizard Hitler. The I know that Dana Radcliffe was disappointed that Kate Winslet was never in a Harry Potter movie when he was asked like, which which British actor actress did you wish you had a chance to work with in Harry Potter? And he's like, oh, I wish and he said it really fast because he talks really fast. Yeah. I wish Kate Winslet had been in his life.
Jim Burzelic:Okay.
T.C. De Witt:I I don't know. I we we had Colin Farrell. We had Johnny Depp. We could complete the hat trick with Heath Ledger if you were still alive, and we got all doctor Pernasses taken care of. Was there a fourth?
T.C. De Witt:Who was the wasn't there a fourth? I don't I don't know. Oh, that's alright. The deep dig reference.
Jim Burzelic:I I keep thinking everyone I'm thinking of is too old. And and, honestly, I would just I wanna cast Brian Cox in everything.
T.C. De Witt:So I love Brian Cox. Oh, thank you from the from the listeners. Hashtag Sean Bean. I'd love to see Sean
Jim Burzelic:Bean as Grindelwald. That'd That would be great.
T.C. De Witt:That was a live listener tweet right there. Fantastic. Yeah. Beast. Beasts.
T.C. De Witt:Well, I I I absolutely think we And we're to demand them. This, interestingly, I think, I don't know if we've I'd have to think about it
Jim Burzelic:a little
T.C. De Witt:bit of the episodes we've done so far. We maintained quite a bit of that first one and
Jim Burzelic:of of the I just I no. Maybe I don't remember the first one.
T.C. De Witt:The baguettes. I'm saying, like, we maintained a bit with, like, quite a bit with Tina and Queenie and and and Colin Fales. But we we reconstructed that first one to be a little more explore a little more. We created a new audience avatar to Mhmm. Through Jacob and Lewis.
T.C. De Witt:I love what we've done with this second one. Really, it's so much better. Weirdly, we maintained quite a bit of the second one just in terms of the villain as well. Sure. Because that worked.
T.C. De Witt:Like, we knowing that. But, no, not really because we added all the beast elements to it.
Jim Burzelic:A thing that happened in the second one, that circus was just actually, I guess the circus that that could actually so what happens is in my my idea is instead Grindelwald does what he does, and then he just takes it over. And so that's the clue they have to so they have to follow this magical circus with these animals and stuff Mhmm. Out out into the sticks. They they leave the city. Gypsies.
Jim Burzelic:Sorry. I just I I I like the the circus was a neat thing, and it just was kind of I don't know if it was meant to be a red herring or just a fancy
T.C. De Witt:The movie had problems. What.
Jim Burzelic:But it it'd be it'd be think that that'd be a way to go where Grindelwald takes the place of the the the ringmaster guy. And
T.C. De Witt:Okay. Maybe. I I having some sort of
Jim Burzelic:It's a weird thing that hit me. It doesn't have to be that way. It's detail.
T.C. De Witt:I did like the aesthetic of the of the circus, but we spent so little time in there.
Jim Burzelic:I think the another reason I like it is because it is an opportunity. They used it a little bit, but it's an opportunity to introduce more animals. True. Beasts.
T.C. De Witt:True. Sorry. Beasts, if you will. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:I'd I'd I just feel like we made a better movie. So with that said, I think we absolutely have a better movie than what we got. Oh, you know what? Should you should do the outro too. Oh.
T.C. De Witt:I I do wanna wrap up here.
Jim Burzelic:I think we Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. We've exhausted this conversation, But we will keep talking once we stop rolling
Jim Burzelic:We will.
T.C. De Witt:Because we always do. But listeners out there, very curious what you guys have to say about this. This was this was fun. Didn't come I had no this all these ideas came fresh right on the spot. The only idea I had that I even erased was Minerva McGonigal Super Spy.
T.C. De Witt:I Sure. I offered that and took it back because that allowed us to keep Tina in the movie. Mhmm. Yeah. I'm curious to see what people might have thought of this one.
T.C. De Witt:And thank you for our live listeners who have thrown some suggestions over at us. But here you go, Jim. Any final thoughts on Oh. Fantastic Beasts and where we can find this movie that's better than the one we got?
Jim Burzelic:Here here on this podcast?
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hope the studio is satisfied.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I I think the studio is sad. So you you made a movie that Jim likes.
T.C. De Witt:There you go. The studio made really very specific demands on this one movie.
Jim Burzelic:Get this one audience member.
T.C. De Witt:Well, I mean, isn't that how we got monster trucks? Right? It was just one producer who wanted to make a movie for his kid Yeah. Pumped up several million dollars into it. Yeah.
T.C. De Witt:Give me half of that million dollars. I'll make you a movie.
Jim Burzelic:I'd make I'll make you three. Let's note you highlighted the part you already said.
T.C. De Witt:Yeah. I did.
Jim Burzelic:That's a that's a big trick. Or wait. Or am I supposed to do that now?
T.C. De Witt:You can if you want. I
Jim Burzelic:Oh, I'm
T.C. De Witt:No. Read
Jim Burzelic:that. Yeah. Thought that was the middle bit.
T.C. De Witt:No. No.
Jim Burzelic:Or or the break. No. It's not the break. Oh, we're there. Okay.
Jim Burzelic:Let's do the social stuff. You can find us at I'm gonna start over.
T.C. De Witt:So natural. It's so natural when you do it.
Jim Burzelic:Let's do the social stuff.
T.C. De Witt:You can find us
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Jim Burzelic:Jim, where can people find you? Twitter? Yes. I'm still at Toubac Waxon, and I'm posting nothing. So, maybe someday that'll change.
T.C. De Witt:Need a tweet at you, and then you'll start Yeah. Toubac Waxon.
Jim Burzelic:Toubac Waxon.
T.C. De Witt:I'm I'm excited for the fan art.
Jim Burzelic:Yeah. I get it. You can find TC
T.C. De Witt:This guy.
Jim Burzelic:At TC's big head on Twitter and Instagram. That's it for this episode. We'll be back next time with another challenge to improve the world of cinema.
T.C. De Witt:I'm TC. And found Jim.
Jim Burzelic:And that's it. That's the end of the show. Ellipses. K. Bye.
T.C. De Witt:That that's the that's what we're calling out, Joe.
Jim Burzelic:I read the things that were there. Yeah. You did.
T.C. De Witt:Didn't say it improv. Yeah. I did. Audible high five. Audible high five.